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Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

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Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Redneck used to be a compliment because it was about the red that all those unions communists wore around their necks, mostly around Appalachia iirc? Now it's just "uneducated country hick" which is a real downgrade imo

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Tesseraction posted:

I believe it was a red neck because they spent the days working the fields. So basically manual labourers.

It was both, but I think there's no definitive sources on how it influenced each other.

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Really it all went downhill when they standardised spelling.

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Bobby Deluxe posted:

It's still referring to and othering the same kind of person though. Kind of. I don't know the full connotations of roadman vs chav.

I'm always interested (from a linguistic standpoint) in the point at which certain words go from legitimate usage to becoming slurs. And to make it absolutely clear, NOT to moralise over if we shouldn't, but just trying to understand the mechanism of the turning point in certain cases.

I'm thinking particularly in light of Lizzo unknowingly using the word spastic. At one point in the UK there was a charity called the spastic society. Medical textbooks used it to describe a condition, or at least what at the time they understood as one condition.

And then it seems like a bunch of kids started using it as an insult for anyone being uncoordinated as a cruel jibe, and then the word becomes tarnished by that.

Again, not saying the tarnishing is wrong. Maybe this is an autism thing but I don't really understand the mechanism by which it goes from 'some kids are using a legit disability word as an insult' to 'the word is bad' rather than 'the kids using it that way are bad.'

Maybe most people just don't think about it that much and just see "word is now bad." Like when a bunch of alt righters decided to tell everyone that the ok gesture and pepe were secret alt right codes, and everyone bought it and now they kind of are?

With medical conditions it probably also has something to do with advancing our understanding of the issues. And then the word becomes inaccurate as a description, at which point there is no reason to keep using it so it might fade into the cruel category.

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

The queen was a bad person for many many reasons and while I'm sure this is a very sad time for her family, some of the jokes (especially the unintentional ones like Funko and Playmobil being performatively sad) have been quite funny so overall her death has probably brought more joy to people than her life ever has on average.

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Convex posted:

Fair way to own it. Mistakes happen

Nah, gently caress that. loving up on live it requires that you apologise on live TV at the same time slot. You can't make poo poo up and then apologise on twitter where nobody will see it and it won't get covered. Newspapers do this poo poo all the time. Massive front page lie and then an apology in tomorrow' newspaper in font 3 at the bottom of page 19.

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Rarity posted:

Tbf I doubt Sky were going to cover Chris Kaba at all until their presenter did a whoopsie and hosed up on live TV

I agree, but that makes it worse!

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Yeah you'd think people would clock that Sweden isn't great just based off their handling of COVID. I guess scandi rep is hard to destroy.

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

The Lord of Hats posted:

it makes the entire institution look like a self-important farce.

That's literally the point of every monarchy ever.

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

PT6A posted:

I would have to agree. I dislike the monarchy as a concept, but I think QEII was the least poo poo incarnation of that poisonous concept, and she had her benefits. She liked a good gin buzz, she had cute dogs, and she'd say nice things when nice things needed saying. But she's gone now, and I can well imagine her saying "this is all a bit ridiculous, don't you think?" She had the sense of humour to do skits with Paddington Bear and James Bond; I think she would find all this completely insane and slightly revolting, and the charitable part of me thinks Charles probably does too but he's too big a bitch to actually say anything about it.

Liz's family is full of pedos (who she protected), she had a racist cousin-husband, and stood by and did nothing while the country went to poo poo around her, including carving out exceptions to employment, tax, and property law so that the country going to poo poo wouldn't affect her personally.

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Microplastics posted:

Why? You gunning for a new liver?

Sourcing a liver from Liz would be as bad as sourcing it from Hemingway, by all accounts.

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Failed Imagineer posted:

A noble idiot, pictured at her most in need of a haircut

Please don't doxx me

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Also, 99% sure it's wrong because he's probably been to Israel and gone to see the Knesset.

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Guavanaut posted:

What's the term for when you get to

and so your brain slides off it and you make up a reason why it was fine actually.

That's usually post hoc rationalisation when it's about an individual gut reaction and the logic that we construct for ourselves around it, like someone who didn't like chocolate oranges might spend an inordinate amount of time looking for reasons why they are objectively bad, and then there's the rhetoric of reaction stuff about how 'I do not like change' becomes a whole array of bad arguments until your lift collapses, but is there a sociological one for things like that?

I'd guess that's reaction too, but there's almost like an additional level of psychic armour. Like an anima mundi but with more lovely plates.

No need to get personal.

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

keep punching joe posted:

Has this happened in parts of the country that actually do PR as an electoral system? It sort of happened in the first term of devolution when the SSP, Greens, and some other frige independents had their moment, but things quickly reverted back to the big political machines dominating. It was dangerous for Labour though as it's probably what exposed them to losing dominance, and their big collapse vs the SNP.

In Wales things are still mainly blue vs red with a lively Plaid fringe.

NI is it's own thing that I don't understand and feel in no way qualified to talk about.

Israel has PR Lists and a few small kingmaker parties, yeah. They're all mostly right aligned anyway, but there's enough of a difference between the centre block and the right block parties where if one or two flip they can knock out the government.

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

qhat posted:

The USA is a net energy exporter since 2019. The USA doesn't have any issues when it comes to energy for the foreseeable future.

Unless you're Texas

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Yeah Texas' issues aren't with supply but with running a stupid for-profit energy grid separate from all the other grids with basically no regulation, afaik. I wasn't clear.

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Mourning Due posted:

😬 same. September 2024. ~£270k to go. Paying ~£2350 a month, which is £1000 over-pay, £450 in interest. If rates go up to 6%, and that's what we remortgage on, if I've done my math right (highly unlikely tbf), we'd be paying ~£1350 in interest each month 😐.

Have actually started drafting a couple letters/speeches to my parents & some well-heeled uncles, trying to ask in the nicest way possible if we can work out some sort of plan where we pay down the mortgage as much as possible between now and then, with them combining to pay off the remaining at the end of our term, and us paying them back with our current interest or something. NOT a conversation I'd wanted to have, and no idea if they'll be amenable to it or even able to, but better than the alternative.

Also, as a dual Canadian/UK citizen, with a job where I can work anywhere: better believe I'm looking into making the move back home. Biggest worry is our very sweet yet skittish cat. We've had some friends move internationally with a cat no problem recently, but I just can imagine her doing well either in the main cabin or in the hold or wherever they put them. Anyone here have experience doing this?

Varies by airline, so you'd have to check with them. Big animals need to go in the hold and it is just awful, I'd avoid it at all costs if possible. Smaller animals like cats can usually be taken into the cabin and honestly even if you need to buy them a ticket to reserve a seat (which you usually don't!) I'd do that over having an animal in the hold. Especially on long flights.

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

I am getting condensation on my windows every morning now, which wasn't an issue during the summer. I run a dehumidifier in the rooms where it happens but it's not enough to completely stop it and will probably get worse as it gets colder. I'm pretty sure my windows are already double glazed. Is there anything else I can do beyond replacing my windows or just opening the windows and making the inside temperature plummet?

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Thanks for all the replies. Ideally I'd like to stop it happening at all so I might try opening a few windows for a bit at night before bed to get the air circulating and then close them right before bed. If it keeps up with that I'll see what I can do.

It's usually just a bit at the bottom, nothing major unless it's the kitchen and I'm doing early morning cooking which yknow, fair enough, but I'd still like to avoid it if possible since it'll probably cause me issues long term.

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

No it's worse. It's an energy generator that will be able to make independent investments and probably sell energy to the wholesellers who will sell it to you.

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

oxford_town posted:

Why is a government-owned energy firm that invests in green energy a bad thing?

Because they'll do it in the stupidest way possible: through other energy companies. If it ends up investing in green energy more than regular energy generators that'll be good, but there's no guarantee that will happen and your energy will still have to go through the regular energy suppliers - at least as they've currently sketched it out. This means it'll still be beholden to all the stupid laws that mean you can't get the energy cheaper than a certain price. If they want to change those laws to green energy can produce cheaper energy and sell it cheaper that's a different issue that they've not mentioned at all.

Basically it feels like they're doing this as a PR stunt because energy prices are so high right now but in practice there will be no difference between this company and any of the existing energy companies since it'll be independent and beholden to the exact same market for competition. Unless they want to give it special treatment but lol at starmer's labour going against profits for the booj.

e: On this day in 1877 the Socialist Labor Party of North America holds 1st national convention. Things didn't really go that well for them from there.

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

oxford_town posted:

Isn't the whole point of the policy to do this?

So they say, but the company is supposed to be "operationally independent" so I have no idea how they'll enforce that. I'm not saying it won't happen, even a nudge in that direction is good, it's just a wasted oportunity because this will be a half measure (whether due to independence or political will from new labour, imo) and when half measures fail they'll be used as an example of why doing the actual thing we need isn't an option. I'm pessimistic but it could be a 'very very slight good thing' instead of just 'bad thing'. Unfortunately we're at the point where we need a lot more than very very slightly good.

quote:

What law is this?

It was mentioned in this thread, but I'm not an expert. Green energy generators have to sell at the same rate that non-renewables sell to energy suppliers or something so they don't get preferential treatment? I'm not 100% on this but I'm sure someone else can elaborate.

quote:

Also - where are you getting the details of the policy from? All I can see is the broad strokes as reported in the media.

I think this tweet thread is all we have so far:

https://twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/1574783980104196097


The main problem from everything they've said so far is that this company will have to compete with other energy suppliers and there's no way in hell the govt are gonna give it preferential treatment (both due to ideology and some EU rules we're still bound by lol) so it'll just be another energy company. And if it somehow does well the tories will sell it off immediately next time they're in office. You need to make that much harder for them by, for example, nationalising everything.

Miftan fucked around with this message at 18:48 on Sep 27, 2022

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

OwlFancier posted:

It came up earlier in the thread but as I understand it all energy is required to be sold at the rate of the most expensive generation option, in order to prevent green energy from undercutting things like natural gas.

This was also my understanding, but there were some exceptions? Someone did an effortpost about it a while back but gently caress knows when/what thread.

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Ewan posted:

As far as I can tell, it's effectively a State Owned Enterprise electricity generation company. It'll be given a government mandate setting the terms of what it can invest in etc, but otherwise it will operate like a commercial business, but run by public servants (or a Go-Co set-up) and profits being channelled back into further investment and growth of the company, rather than e.g. going to shareholders' pockets. It will sell the energy generated into the open market like any other generation company.


This is the potentially good bit tbh, but whether (and how they'll enforce) investment into renewables as opposed to anything else and if it'll get turned into a moneymaking scheme for consultants that barely makes money/be sold off immediately as soon as it's profitable are both very big hurdles they need to clear.

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Ewan posted:

I expect it would be established with a mandate (probably through legislation) that specifies parameters for what it can or can't invest in. And its CEO would probably ultimately be accountable to the BEIS Secretary of State and government Ministers and/or senior officials would sit on the board.

I suppose the Tories loving that up is really an artifact of the legislative system, not this specific thing, to be fair to labour. I still don't see how they square that with whatever the hell "operational independence" means though.

OwlFancier posted:

Also critically it would not do anything whatsoever to solve the problem of energy prices.

Goes without saying that labour won't solve that, but yeah.

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Nilbop posted:

Ash is a member of the country too though. Is he not allowed to point and laugh? We're all enduring the same shite.

Like I think he's an unfunny dick and should stop posting, but I'll tell you as someone from Northern Ireland that I'm also rooting for the downfall of the UK because I want a united Ireland and this is how it happens. I'd rather nobody have to freeze to death for that to happen, but me pointing out that the UK loving up monumentally for over a decade straight lead to things like foodbanks becoming taken for granted (remember when they weren't?), people having to steal firewood to heat their homes and the realistic chance of a chunk of the population losing their homes because of yet another historic, unchecked economic fuckup didn't cause that.

We're all fed up with it. Some of us just want it to end differently.

She/her, btw.

I don't think Ash should be threadbanned as long the Ash Discourse stops soon because frankly they're an infrequent poster and have never kicked up this much fuss before even if I think their posts are bad, mean spirited, and trigerring for other people for no reason.

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Also as poo poo as the Tories are, they're not actually Nazis quite yet.

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

forkboy84 posted:

Speak for yourself OP :actually:

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Nothingtoseehere posted:

Frankly, given the mess the Tories have left the country in, is House of Lords reform the most important thing to do?

Probably not, but just another example (like we now know about Great British Energy) of starmer taking every potential good thing that is labour adjacent and turning into a pile of bland nothing that helps nobody.

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Microplastics posted:

A series of prime ministers each serving half the time of the previous prime minister

Zeno's prime minister

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Inheritance tax should always be at 100% and everyone's basics needs met, if we're allowed to just make poo poo up. Really, inheritance tax is one of those issues where you can tell if someone cares about meritocracy or property rights.

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Failed Imagineer posted:

I really don't think there's any problem with people getting a few grand from their dead parents. There's often a lot of hassle dealing with estates, and providing end-of-life care can gently caress with people's careers and earning. But for sure 100% tax above a certain threshold in the low five figures seems reasonable - in a hypothetical world where the super-rich are also somehow prevented from passing on all their wealth through obscure corporate instruments

I agree in theory, but I think everything that's not a blanket ban on any inheritance may be more difficult to enforce cause rich people have access to slimy accountants. I am, of course, 100% speaking out of my rear end cause I have zero experience with any of this.

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Sorry everyone, I was away for the evening. Chocolate oranges/tories are the UK's personal Stockholm syndrome. They are rank garbage and it is my sincere hope that one day the UK realises this and puts up plaques or statues commemorating the country's bad taste once everyone realises that they are disgusting.

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Catzilla posted:

This came from my mums house. Miftan explain yourself?

https://imgur.com/a/lRGo9qm

Easy - Israel is also a country with many many many garbage opinions and products!

Rarity posted:

Maybe there isn't room for everyone in socialism...

I am willing to forgive your bad opinions.

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

keep punching joe posted:

Snitches get stitches fellow UKMTs

No mods no masters except Guava who mods by consent.

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Tesseraction posted:

I appreciate your attempts to intervene but Guavanaut is a really good IK, I trust them to handle thread-internal affairs.

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Josef bugman posted:

Best of luck bud!

I just want to not be continually making poo poo up. I can do the job role, it's just that I don't know why I'm expected to lie to people when I could just go "I can do this, give me a week of training and I could probably do it really well".

because capitalism sucks and has weird incentives. You lie and then just do the job to the best of your ability once you're in which, from knowing you, is probably better than 90% of people would do it anyway. Obviously don't lie about anything that can be proved.

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Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

I had an interview once where they asked me "if a magic fairy offered you any job in the world, what would you choose?"
Me: "and this fairy has no limits on their magical abilities?"
them: "yup"
Me: "I'd like to not work but still be able to afford things"

I somehow got the job, got promoted, and then demoted over a period of like 3 years. :v:

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