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The Perfect Element
Dec 5, 2005
"This is a bit of a... a poof song"

Guavanaut posted:



Tweeting David Icke level bullshit is the new 'decent as gently caress'.

People keep posting stuff about this saga and I have literally no idea who this person is or why I should care about her lovely opinions.

This feels like a dreadful case of terminal onlinism, of exceedingly little relevance to the UK, Marxism, or this thread. Or am I completely wrong?

Weetman 2.0

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The Perfect Element
Dec 5, 2005
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happyhippy posted:

Still, they would be the hardest of them to get to you, transport costs and such.
Yet they are cheaper than the loving electronic version.
Man Amazon certainly know how to rip off people.

There is a vast market of wealthy people who will happily pay extra for the convenience of storing their 1200 page copy of Jo Rowlings Mental Breakdown on their electronic device so it doesn't burden their bags on the way to the beach.

The Perfect Element
Dec 5, 2005
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Wow, what a humdinger of an opening speech by Truss! Stylishly delivered and packed with detail, if this is a sign of what her leadership will be like, then I am fully on board!

The Perfect Element
Dec 5, 2005
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Speaking of billionaires, whenever I see these sums being banded about (like jimminys £55bn vs lizs £100bn), literally every time I think about the fact that there are INDIVIDUAL HUMAN BEINGS on the planet who just... have that amount of money themselves. Like, Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos could pay for the UK to nationalise their energy supply, if they hypothetically wanted to. It just hurts my head.

The Perfect Element
Dec 5, 2005
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Lol, we've got the builders in, and everyone's just cheerily talking about it in the same way you do when a football manager gets sacked or something, love it.

As ever, most people in this country are alright, its just the voters and the media who are the problem.

The Perfect Element
Dec 5, 2005
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I am genuinely so annoyed that they're cancelling all this weekends football. What on earth does it achieve?!

The Perfect Element
Dec 5, 2005
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What boggles my mind when reading that Byline Times article, and whenever reading about the US far right, and their lackeys over here is just how unrepentantantly evil they all seem. Like, I assume that they don't think they're the baddies, but literally everything they do, and the way they do it, is villainous. I just don't understand how people end up like this.

The Perfect Element
Dec 5, 2005
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Bobby Deluxe posted:

It always blows my mind to see the FT push back against tory ideology. Like the tories entire shtick is that they're doing it in the name of the economy, and then the people who are actually pitching their stuff for the rich are saying "no this is poo poo and won't work."

Like at what point does the country collectively realise that the tories are not 'good with money,' they're just good at inheriting and stealing it.

https://twitter.com/AliceAvizandum/status/1571536191647875072?t=eCnAv02QUjPnF50Oo1kjQw&s=19

I dunno if that is their schtick anymore tbh. It's just culture war poo poo and continuing to entrench the status of the landlord class. So long as the Tories are more likely to enrich property owners in the short to medium term, they'll carry on voting for them.

The Perfect Element
Dec 5, 2005
"This is a bit of a... a poof song"
Advice needed from the goon hivemind! If you don't want to read a long rambling story about a building project, I strongly encourage you to scroll past...

We have had some building work done (a loft conversion, which probably leads to an automatic space at The Wall). The company doing it have done a really good job, and up to the last couple of months we have had no complaints.

However, now that the work is like 95% finished, they've basically just... stopped. The room is habitable, but there's loads of holes to fill, door-handles to fit, the heating needs to be installed, ALL the building waste is still in our back garden - so none of this stuff in isolation is too bad, but it also kind of sucks to be in limbo where we can't just move on with our lives.

The delays started when the building manager, Mark, said he'd injured his back. This initially led to some understandable delays, but ever since then (6 weeks and counting), he's promised that he'd either visit next week, or send someone else. And each week, a day before he's due, he says his back's still out and he can't come, blah blah blah. I can sympathise with the debilitation of a back injury, and he seems like a nice enough guy, who I do basically trust (for now) - but on the other hand, we have a contract with his business, and he's sub-contracted the vast majority of the project already, so it's not like it's not within his capabilities to just arrange for someone else to do what's left.

Now, the way that the payment for the project was structured was that we paid a series of (large) equal instalments, with a final smaller instalment at the end once we were completely happy with the work. This final payment is the only one left, and I'm beginning to worry that the company may have just built it into their business model to essentially sack off that final payment indefinitely so they can focus on new projects and keep the money rolling in elsewhere.

So my question is : is there anything realistically I can do to influence the company to pull their finger out and just finish the work at my home? I'm assuming that there are no real regulators/enforcement who I can dangle over their heads - and other than making petty threats to moan about them on social media, I feel like there's basically nothing we can do to help our situation.

The Perfect Element
Dec 5, 2005
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DesperateDan posted:

It's likely to be this I'm afraid.

Will bet the contents of my wallet that the cost of doing the remaining work is higher than the value of the remaining payment, probably by several times at least.

The last twenty percent of a job like this can easily be more than half the actual effort- making everything neat and presentable etc can be an absolute pain


I would give them a final chance to put things in order and give you a timescale, and then take things from there accordingly- sadly in terms of effort and likelihood of a good result, you might just be better to ditch them, keep the payment and hire someone else to finish the job properly but get CAB or a solicitor to look poo poo over for you.



Thanks for this.

Yeah, tbh just getting rid of the building waste alone looks like a huge job.

Our one lever, such as it is, is that we have been speaking on Facebook to one of their new customers - all signed up, but have yet to pay a first instalment. She's already tetchy as they've repeatedly delayed starting the job, so we could pretty easily lose them that bit of business.

I wonder how easy it would be to just throw a website together, rig the SEO and just make it so a site which just says 'DO NOT TRUST THESE BASTARDS' the first thing that comes up every time...

The Perfect Element
Dec 5, 2005
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franco posted:

Bejaysus don't startle me like that! I thought it was going to be Mark Kermode, who is a comrade, suddenly turning into a landlord oval office. Have had too many people I like/admire turn out to be total shits recently.

That was my exact reaction too, lol. Like I genuinely softly said out loud, 'oh NO...'

The Perfect Element
Dec 5, 2005
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Funny to think that the Queen died two weeks ago and everyone's already forgotten about it cos the country is so hosed. Things move FAST these days.

The Perfect Element
Dec 5, 2005
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Until this week I held the same view, but now... I dunno, I really don't think I could morally justify not voting Labour if there was a chance my vote could prevent a Tory getting in.

I'm in Tunbridge Wells, which is as true blue a constituency as they come, but otoh we were the only place in Kent to vote remain, so I think it is credible that the Tories COULD be ousted here if they're still completely mental by the time the election rolls round.

Speaking of elections: are there any mechanisms at all for forcing the tories into calling one, outside of them deciding it for themselves? Like, we're now being led by a PM and chancellor who have no mandate, and who are doing stuff which no one has voted for. Is there literally nothing that can be done other than hope that the Conservative Party implodes sufficiently that they basically just hara kiri themselves?

The Perfect Element
Dec 5, 2005
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keep punching joe posted:

The only ways is for the government to lose a vote of confidence. So that would entail a large chunk of tory MPs to abstain (which they won't do because they're all shameless cunts).

That's wouldn't force a GE but the government would have to resign and a new government formed that could command a majority. By convention a GE would be called as the new government has no mandate but we don't bother with rules any me.

Yeah, in this post-'decorum' age, it just kinda feels whatever evil nutjob gets the top job can do whatever the gently caress they want, and the MPs are so venal, cowardly and self-serving that they'll just wave it through because they don't wanna lose their place at the table.

The Perfect Element
Dec 5, 2005
"This is a bit of a... a poof song"
drat, this thread took a turn for the worse. I blame the mod who asked the question. That was badly handled.

Anyway, I am going on my annual trip to Abergavenny to pick mushrooms with my friends. It's my first time spending any time away from my seven month old daughter, so although I'm very hyped for a weekend of drink and drugs, I am also missing her already as I am a big softie.

The Perfect Element
Dec 5, 2005
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Ash Crimson posted:

Nothing you say changes the fact that England has a disproportionately large voice and say in how the UK is run, which is why we're in this current situation, I feel bad for the english I genuinely do but im getting tired of being asked to not be pissed off with how things are going, tired of making excuses for a part of the UK that at the very least, seems to view Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales as essentially colonies to control

Are Scots, The Welsh and Those in Northern Ireland any better than the English? No, but at the very least they want to extricate themselves from a system that is failing us all, you can't even argue that England doesn't see the vast majority of benefits, as slight as they are, from this wretched union and any attempt to be rid of it will be seen as an attack upon the english and their place within the union

Which is why Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish independence is viewed as an offensive, rather than defensive, position by unionists

It's just weird and pointless to take it out on the people in this thread, though. A group of people who are more likely to actually agree with you than almost any other.

The Perfect Element
Dec 5, 2005
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Lmao

The Perfect Element
Dec 5, 2005
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Noxville posted:

https://twitter.com/dinosofos/status/1577596369124360192?s=46&t=jm97BR6fCZIpaKeZ9CIFxg

Suggestions in the replies that this is because they were photographing the number of empty seats that the Tories had carefully positioned to make the room look fuller than it was.

General question really, but what authority do hired security have to manhandle or assault people? Like, they are threatening 'to get the police involved', while forcefully escorting this guy out. Does the photographer have a case against the security if he was genuinely doing nothing 'wrong'?

The Perfect Element
Dec 5, 2005
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Just imagine the awful shower of cunts speaking at and attending The Battle of Ideas.

The Perfect Element
Dec 5, 2005
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HopperUK posted:

Someone's bin just blew past on the road outside

it's the Albanians Norman, they're nicking all the bins

Yeah the storm last night was absolutely mental. Was genuinely worried that bits of my house were gonna fly off.

The Perfect Element
Dec 5, 2005
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It's difficult to see how that can work out anything other than very badly for him. He's an odious little weasel who resigned in disgrace, both a hugely corrupt and incompetent politician with blood on hands and, even worse, a LOVE RAT.

I guess he thinks that he can go the Ed Balls route into light entertainment, but the difference is most people didn't already actively despise Ed Balls.

The Perfect Element
Dec 5, 2005
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roomtone posted:

Can someone decode this for me a bit? I've long been aware that people say the government delcaring the urgency of 'balancing the budget' etc is a smokescreen, but I've never understood why. All I really understand about it right now is that on a surface level it seems like they are saying we need to reduce spending to a point where we aren't getting into further debt or paying off debt.

I'm not really clear on how government debt works, in general, so there's probably a book I need to read, but a quick overview of why this political slogan of balancing budgets is fake would be appreciated.

The government is more akin to a business than a household. Businesses are constantly borrowing to invest, and even choose to take out debt over paying for things in cash they can actually pay for as it represents less of a liability year on year.

If a business has a fleet of vehicles, say, they will borrow money to make sure that their existing vehicles are well maintained and roadworthy, and to buy new vans. This enables their business to function and grow. They will not say, 'we need to reduce debts down to zero, and so henceforth will stop paying any more money for servicing our vehicles'. Because then their vehicles breakdown, they can't provide a service, and they lose money.

Governments should be the same. For example, borrowing money to invest in greater public services is a complete no brainer (unless you're a neolib), because the economic benefits of having a healthy, happy population and functioning public services will repay the investment many times over. The debt can be serviced year on year by a progressive taxation system, and increased income from the dividends of the investment.

Unfortunately, though, we live in a hell world where actually we sell off our public services (to balance the national credit card!!) to tory doners, and then have to pay through the teeth for lacklustre services which are run on the basis of shareholder profit rather than the public good.

The Perfect Element
Dec 5, 2005
"This is a bit of a... a poof song"
God, it feels like every day for the last week the sudden rain storms here are becoming more and more intense. In fact, we've been without running water round here for the last two days because a water treatment centre got flooded (lol).

Global warming sucks, but at least it's dramatic I guess...

The Perfect Element
Dec 5, 2005
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Jippa posted:

Just read a tweet that we had half the average rainfall for november in the last 24 hours. I quite enjoy it for some reason.

I enjoy it too. But storms and dramatic weather in general absolutely ruin wildlife and the environment.

The Perfect Element
Dec 5, 2005
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Nothingtoseehere posted:

The soil needs some refilling after the exordinary dry summer, more rain is good.

Yes, but due to the draught, the rain doesn't soak into the earth, but rather bounces off it and causes floods.

The Perfect Element
Dec 5, 2005
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NJAN98 posted:

yes mate he's probably a dumbass wrong about everything. luckily youre here.

Did you register another account literally just so Owlie would temporarily see your posts? That's crazy, man.

The Perfect Element
Dec 5, 2005
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NotJustANumber99 posted:

no i registered it for a completely different stupid reason that i can't remember right now, but he annoyed me so much with his usual ignorant bullshit that i remembered I had it

Stanning for Musk to this degree, at this point in time, is quite something.

The Perfect Element
Dec 5, 2005
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KM Scorchio posted:

I thought the same honestly. But getting to a six figure salary at 40 doesn't mean I can retire any time soon. I'm not secure at all, i've got to keep up with an increaslingly small group of high preformers at work or be shown the door. I'm down south, so as a first time buyer a semi-detached in a half decent area is the best I could get, which is more than I ever expected to manage. I absolutely cannot afford a boat. What I have left after tax/bills is a healthy abount, but will not make me a millionaire.

You should probably post these woes in the finance thread.

You're literally complaining to a bunch of people who are, in the main, way worse off you. People relying on the largesse of the DWP to keep themselves warm and fed. Goondolences for your semi detached in a half decent area.

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The Perfect Element
Dec 5, 2005
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This is one of those things that tipped me over the edge of despair into raging bloodlust. The sheer grift, the insane amount of money involved, the absolute shamelessness of it, the fact that they'll just be able to keep all the profits and face no consequences.

Just simple, rapacious corruption, on a grand scale.

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