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Scipiotik posted:Patricia is the OC, but not in title. I think it has something to do with allowing him to get his full payout from the Lions for getting fired. If he was the OC I think he'd lose out on some of the salary. At least that's a rumor I heard. I heard the same rumor. Just above your post.
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Amy Pole Her posted:I heard the same rumor. Just above your post. I'm as good at posting as Patricia is at coaching... perhaps worse.
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# ? Sep 2, 2022 15:11 |
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You’re being *way* too hard on yourself. You actually managed to post it, so compared to Matt Patricia you’re a rockstar
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# ? Sep 2, 2022 15:22 |
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Patricia himself wouldn't lose out on any money IIRC but the Patriots would have to pay him OC salary instead of letting the Lions cover it while they pay him for "Senior Advisor" duties. It's just the Pats gaming their titles to save a million dollars or so? Breer went into it. Breer posted:You’ll notice with titles for Patricia and Joe Judge this year, not only aren’t they coordinators, they aren’t even officially position coaches. Judge’s title is offensive assistant/quarterbacks. Patricia is senior football advisor/offensive line. Why would this matter? Judge is still being paid by the Giants, Patricia by the Lions, and whatever the Patriots pay those two comes out of what their old teams pay them.
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# ? Sep 2, 2022 15:22 |
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Cheat down to the last penny. They’ve got their ethics and they’re sticking to em, dammit God I’m so excited for that lovely tarnished legacy to just gently caress off
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# ? Sep 2, 2022 15:24 |
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It's just so very cheap and dumb. Robert Kraft is not a good owner. People think he's patient and hands off but he never was - it's just that there's been two decades of wild success to keep him mostly at bay.
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# ? Sep 2, 2022 15:26 |
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It's all very shady but to bring it back to the point for this thread it also seems ridiculously dumb to have Patricia as the OC if he has the title or not, but here we are He's got a couple of years of assistant OL experience in his coaching resume on that side of the ball. Not that his numbers coaching defense look a lot better to be fair. I really don't understand why he's employed even if it weren't for the *waves hand* other things.
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# ? Sep 2, 2022 15:52 |
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I believe in Matt Patricia
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# ? Sep 2, 2022 16:03 |
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Ehud posted:I believe in Matt Patricia's ability to get fired
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# ? Sep 2, 2022 16:10 |
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Grittybeard posted:It's all very shady but to bring it back to the point for this thread it also seems ridiculously dumb to have Patricia as the OC if he has the title or not, but here we are It's an indictment of Bill's decision making. I get the situation with his kids. It totally sucks, but I can understand why he's doing it. He wants his kids to succeed and to learn how to coach in the NFL and follow in his footsteps. But what the gently caress is his obsession with losers like Patricia and Judge? I could understand if he hired those two and made Judge ST coach again, or gave Patricia some bullshit assistant role in the defense. Whatever. But he must *really* believe they are capable coaches, otherwise why would he put them in charge of an entire side of the ball. For me this is a major red flag of just how bad Belichick has become at evaluating not just players, but also coaches. I think he may be so far up his own rear end, and may have bought into his own legacy too much, that he can't even see another way of operating.
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Diva Cupcake posted:I just don’t see any realistic scenario outside finishing with a top 3 pick where Saleh’s seat starts getting warm. And that would come from ownership not Joe Douglas probably and even then he’d probably get a 3rd year depending on the scenario (like massive injuries again like last year). My point is I think if they bottom out again he’s gone. Not that they necessarily will but that I think they would pull the trigger if he does.
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# ? Sep 2, 2022 16:20 |
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Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:It's an indictment of Bill's decision making. The worst part is that this could very well gently caress up the development of Mac Jones, who looked promising enough as a rookie and could be in an excellent position to take a huge step forward his second year the way other rookie QBs like Burrow, Goff, and Wentz did. But instead of trying to find a promising OC candidate in his organization or on another team that got overlooked, Bill decided to go with two egomaniacs who bombed as head coaches and have no real experience on the offensive side of things. I really wonder what went on behind the scenes with McDaniel that made him wait for another HC shot and then choose the Raiders. Of course the backing out from the Colts job is well-documented, and he did stick around in the post-Brady era and prove he was a fine OC on his own (even if he had little to work with besides the corpse of Cam Newton), but I wonder if he really was sticking around to take over the Patriots and then just got impatient that Bill was still going. Also makes me wonder how much the Bucs SB win may have affected Bill. But hey, all empires must fall.
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# ? Sep 2, 2022 19:42 |
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The McDaniels thing makes sense if he found out that Andrew Luck was not committed to playing. Why get stuck in QB purgatory if you can run back to New England and wait for a better opportunity while padding your resume more.
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# ? Sep 2, 2022 19:59 |
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Nobody knew Luck was retiring until the day it came out. That was just McDaniels being bitchmade as always.
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# ? Sep 2, 2022 20:40 |
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Also Luck retiring was 18 months and a full season later. McDaniels bailed on the Colts in February 2018, after Luck had missed the entire previous season. The Colts hired Frank Reich, Luck ends up having a really good comeback season, and then he decided to retire the following preseason in August 2019.
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# ? Sep 2, 2022 20:45 |
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It's ironic that Luck, not knock for his legs, ran out
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# ? Sep 2, 2022 20:51 |
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From what I remember from past threads, the official word was something about McDaniels not getting to have control over small things that coaches usually get control over, just weird semantics like that, and that's what caused him to bail. Who knows how accurate any of that is, but it's all we really have to work with. I have some morbid curiousity about the behind-the-scenes stuff for the Pats the past couple years though, particularly why McDaniels chose now of all times to get a HC job again after bailing on the Colts a few years prior. Not like he needed to prove he could run a competent offense without Brady, he's a Belicheck assistant so he's pretty much guaranteed a job.
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# ? Sep 2, 2022 20:51 |
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I think it's totally plausible that during interviews McDaniels found out Luck's injuries had been much worse than were let on, perhaps even to the point that he had already considered retirement. Obviously this is conjecture, but it makes way more sense than the excuses we've heard, none of which have been completely confirmed.
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# ? Sep 2, 2022 21:12 |
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Other than the Browns gig, which by all reports he really wanted, didn’t McDaniels pull out of most of the jobs he interviewed for? Or am I misremembering.
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# ? Sep 2, 2022 21:19 |
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Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:I think it's totally plausible that during interviews McDaniels found out Luck's injuries had been much worse than were let on, perhaps even to the point that he had already considered retirement. Obviously this is conjecture, but it makes way more sense than the excuses we've heard, none of which have been completely confirmed. Go relisten to the Luck podcast. There is no way loving Josh McDaniels knew any of that Luck didn't even think of retiring until his niggling 2019 calf injury
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# ? Sep 2, 2022 21:40 |
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I'll be honest, I always assumed since all of Bill's assistants are so dogshit on any other team that Bill must be a total micromanager and to a point it doesn't matter who his assistants are. I think him constantly drafting from Rutgers will probably catch up with him more than making Patricia a nominal OC.
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# ? Sep 2, 2022 23:01 |
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Breer is the one who has said that McDaniels didn't take the Indy job because of smaller behind the scenes stuff, but Kraft also was paying him about 4-6 mil a season since then too according to what I've heard. Given the "I'm gonna show him how I do everything" stuff from Bill it seemed pretty apparent at the time he was being groomed to take over, until Patricia came back anyway
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# ? Sep 2, 2022 23:09 |
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Diva Cupcake posted:Other than the Browns gig, which by all reports he really wanted, didn’t McDaniels pull out of most of the jobs he interviewed for? Or am I misremembering. I always thought it was Cleveland media lusting after a local boy to coach the Browns not any real desire from McDaniels. Cleveland media similarly wanted Mitch Trubisky really bad for the same reason, we drafted Myles Garret instead
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# ? Sep 2, 2022 23:31 |
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Flikken posted:I always thought it was Cleveland media lusting after a local boy to coach the Browns not any real desire from McDaniels. He was in Cleveland for almost a week during that attempted woo'ing
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# ? Sep 2, 2022 23:37 |
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Wasn't Luck still in Europe when the McDaniels thing went down? I don't think they talked together even once.
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# ? Sep 3, 2022 02:06 |
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McDaniels could win six super bowls in a row and I would still think of him first from the Slow Getting Up excerpt where he cut Nate Jackson (the author) in absentia via some intern with candy strewn all over his desk.
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# ? Sep 3, 2022 03:30 |
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https://twitter.com/theMMQB/status/1568292903020990464quote:IN QUESTION
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# ? Sep 9, 2022 18:42 |
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quote:Mike McDaniel, Miami Dolphins: Assuming ownership doesn’t stumble into another tampering scandal, McDaniel will get his shot. Here’s hoping his mindful, personable approach catches on around the league.
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# ? Sep 9, 2022 19:08 |
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Hell of an assumption...
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# ? Sep 9, 2022 19:16 |
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NGL I completely forgot about all the Urbz drama last year. Also lmao at Matt Patricia running the Pats offense, that must be a truly dire sight. The fun part about not paying attention to the NFL off-season is that I get all of its fun surprises all at once when the season kicks off proper!
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# ? Sep 10, 2022 18:58 |
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It's going to feel like a down year for this thread after the hilarity of both Gruden and Urbz late year isn't it?
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# ? Sep 10, 2022 21:15 |
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You say that but like one of Andy Reid's kids will probably do a hate crime or something and some wild coaching poo poo will happen.
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# ? Sep 10, 2022 21:16 |
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Nervous posted:It's going to feel like a down year for this thread after the hilarity of both Gruden and Urbz late year isn't it? It's going to take something special and rare to surpass the Urban ride, I don't think it happens ever let alone this year But this year could still rule just for the possibility of at least one of Pete/Bill not sticking around
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tarbrush posted:Hell of an assumption... *lamar jackson's phone buzzes on the nightstand* [new text from Stephen Ross] : "u up?"
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# ? Sep 10, 2022 22:08 |
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Urban was all the stars aligning for a spectacular meltdown. That level of comedy doesn’t come around often. I do feel like we could get some solid lols out of Josh McDaniels, though.
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# ? Sep 10, 2022 22:11 |
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The idea that McDaniels knew anything about Luck considering retirement was always apologia to make what he did look better. It never had any basis in reality.
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# ? Sep 10, 2022 22:14 |
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Docjowles posted:Urban was all the stars aligning for a spectacular meltdown. That level of comedy doesn’t come around often. I do feel like we could get some solid lols out of Josh McDaniels, though. I feel like there's a 50/50 chance between McDaniels either having learned his lesson and becoming boringly competent, or going completely off the rails into a spectacular meltdown.
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# ? Sep 10, 2022 22:15 |
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Docjowles posted:Urban was all the stars aligning for a spectacular meltdown. That level of comedy doesn’t come around often. I do feel like we could get some solid lols out of Josh McDaniels, though. It's safe to say we won't see anything quite like that in a long while.
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# ? Sep 10, 2022 22:17 |
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if McDaniels wanted to go ahead and have a complete meltdown and get fired by say, the middle of October that'd be cool
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# ? Sep 10, 2022 22:21 |
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I believe the man that drafted Tim Tebow in the first round is still a moron and will fail
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