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For those unaware, about 5 days ago Iran's Moral Police arrested a woman for violating the Hijab laws. She was hospitalized and died. Since then, there's been an outbreak in massive protests driven by both her death, anger at the theocratic Iranian Government, and anger over immense economical pressure that has built up around the Revolutionary Government. https://twitter.com/FridaGhitis/status/1572350814882267137?s=20&t=c7DtOFrvnavUA9jI6XEpYQ Women are burning their Hijabs and dancing, men are protesting and changing for Khomeni to die, the riot police and moral police are being charged and attacked by massive protests. https://twitter.com/AlinejadMasih/status/1571954828741410823?s=20&t=c7DtOFrvnavUA9jI6XEpYQ This is the largest outbreak of protests in a long time, and one of the first times in ages that people have been willing to confront the Regime police. This is an ongoing event but its likely to make history, hopefully for the better. https://twitter.com/AsaadHannaa/status/1571959059439390722?s=20&t=c7DtOFrvnavUA9jI6XEpYQ https://twitter.com/rom_over/status/1572652633827037189?s=20&t=c7DtOFrvnavUA9jI6XEpYQ Iran has a large and young educated population that do not share the strongly conservative views of the older Revolutionary age population and its contributing heavily to this.  BE AWARE: There are graphic images from these protests, DO NOT POST THEM HERE without spoiler tags and   tags! Same rules that the Ukraine thread is following If you don't you will get probed.Spoiler tags: code:This is not D&D: Normal GBS rules still apply. Some people may shitpost, some people may post interesting information, some may just be wondering what the hell is going on. These are all valid ways of posting. We're not going to be enforcing D&D style rules here. Be respectful to your fellow poster: This is a fraught time for a lot of people. 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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:The ayatollah must be stopped Ayatollah Assaholla. But seriously this is encouraging to see. I mean not just for Iran, but Syria and Lebanon among others. It already seems far more violent then any recent protests in mind, in terms of things being said and done.
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Sep 21, 2022 20:03
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Marshal Prolapse posted:Ayatollah Assaholla. A destabilized Iran is bad news for Syria and Lebanon, see ISIS and Turkey. The old guard in Iran needs to do reforms fast or the region is going to be even more permanently hosed
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War and Pieces posted:A destabilized Iran is bad news for Syria and Lebanon, see ISIS and Turkey. The old guard in Iran needs to do reforms fast or the region is going to be even more permanently hosed I mean, kind of. Iran has the benefit of a LOT of highly educated and fairly liberal younger generation that hasn't bought into the theocracy that Syria and Lebanon suffered from. I'm just hoping these protests are not just a temporary thing, either the Government does reforms to calm them down or something needs to give. The Iranian populace is tired of this poo poo.
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This should be a wake-up call for all muslim women in western countries who think they're wearing the hijab of their own free will. Just try not wearing it and see where that gets you. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Yaldabaoth posted:This should be a wake-up call for all muslim women in western countries who think they're wearing the hijab of their own free will. Just try not wearing it and see where that gets you. Thats kind of oversimplifying it a bit: There's plenty of religious sects on all sides that have stuff like that. Its whether you have a Morality Police that enforce it that makes it suspect. Efforts to force Muslims not to wear hijabs are not the solution. I'm assuming poo poo like this is why you have a Jordan Peterson av?
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Marshal Prolapse posted:Ayatollah Assaholla. Protests in 2009 were plenty big and got violent (though they got so more gradually), but yeah this seems bigger. I have to confess to being a pessimist here though because this is far from the first time tensions have bubbled over in Iran, even though this is big, and all of the previous attempts have been met with the same hope at the initial coverage and photos and then the state beats heads, and perhaps more importantly shuts the protesters off from outside information, from protests in other cities and regions and from the world's attention. And while this isn't wrong CommieGIR posted:Iran has a large and young educated population that do not share the strongly conservative views of the older Revolutionary age population and its contributing heavily to this. I feel like it's a thing that's often oversimplified in quick analyses as to how significant it is, young people are not a monolithic group, the largest cohort is not university-aged students but 30-40 year olds, and more than 40 % of Iran's population is still rural and largely rather poor. That said, dissatisfaction with the regime does appear to be widespread, but the thing to keep in mind is that the regime has plenty of guys on their side willing to shoot and bash skulls, and they've done so many times before and now have more than a decade of experience helping to prop up Assad in Syria (Iran's part in that is way too often neglected or downplayed compared to that of Russia) in using exceedingly brutal means to crush dissent and active revolt. I just don't know. Randarkman fucked around with this message at 20:23 on Sep 21, 2022 |
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Sep 21, 2022 20:20
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Randarkman posted:I feel like it's a thing that's often oversimplified in quick analyses as to how significant it is, young people are not a monolithic group, the largest cohort is not university-aged students but 30-40 year olds, and more than 40 % of Iran's population is still rural and largely rather poor. That said, dissatisfaction with the regime does appear to be widespread, but the thing to keep in mind is that the regime has plenty of guys on their side willing to shoot and bash skulls, and they've done so many times before and now have more than a decade of experience helping to prop up Assad in Syria (Iran's part in that is way too often neglected or downplayed compared to that of Russia) in using exceedingly brutal means to crush dissent and active revolt. True. Like I said, I don't know if this will result in real change, but drat if it doesn't appear to be a bunch of people who are fed up taking real action.
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CommieGIR posted:I mean, kind of. Iran has the benefit of a LOT of highly educated and fairly liberal younger generation that hasn't bought into the theocracy that Syria and Lebanon suffered from. Since when have either Syria or Lebanon had theocracies? Part of the "appeal" (especially to Westerners trying to whitewash the loving thing) of Assad's rime is that it is secular, before 2011 it was often highlighted and praised for its modernity and progressive image (important to emphasize that image part though probably).
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Yaldabaoth posted:This should be a wake-up call for all muslim women in western countries who think they're wearing the hijab of their own free will. Just try not wearing it and see where that gets you. Uhm...what the gently caress is this racist bullshit? Every woman I know who is in the US and chooses to wear a hijab knows that she is going to face more discrimination and be under greater threat because she made that choice, and chooses to do so in spite of that.
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Sep 21, 2022 20:25
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Lmao have you read that clowns posts anywhere else?
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LanceHunter posted:Uhm...what the gently caress is this racist bullshit? Every woman I know who is in the US and chooses to wear a hijab knows that she is going to face more discrimination and be under greater threat because she made that choice, and chooses to do so in spite of that. Like I said, there's a reason he likely has a Jordan Peterson av. Randarkman posted:Since when have either Syria or Lebanon had theocracies? Part of the "appeal" (especially to Westerners trying to whitewash the loving thing) of Assad's rime is that it is secular, before 2011 it was often highlighted and praised for its modernity and progressive image (important to emphasize that image part though probably). Syria prior to the 2011 Constitutional changes was Ba'athist. And while Assad claims to be secular, the Islamic Law parts remain in the constitution. CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 20:30 on Sep 21, 2022 |
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Sep 21, 2022 20:28
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CommieGIR posted:I'm assuming poo poo like this is why you have a Jordan Peterson av? lol
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Marshal Prolapse posted:Ayatollah Assaholla. "Ayatollah Assaholla, give me the formuolla"
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CommieGIR posted:Like I said, there's a reason he likely has a Jordan Peterson av. Ba'athism is not a religion. Also, almost all Islamic countries have some Islamic law or laws derived from Islamic law in their law codes, especially in family and inheritance law. That does not make them theocracies. Whether or not a country in the Middle East is bad or not is not really strictly related to whether or not they have expunged all of Islam from their constitutions or not. In fact I'd argue that a big and distressing problem for the Arab Middle East in particular and part of why Islamism in all its varieties has the appeal it has in large part comes down to just how loving wretched almost all of those secular regimes have been.
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Sep 21, 2022 20:39
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Randarkman posted:Ba'athism is not a religion. Also, almost all Islamic countries have some Islamic law or laws derived from Islamic law in their law codes, especially in family and inheritance law. That does not make them theocracies. Whether or not a country in the Middle East is bad or not is not really strictly related to whether or not they have expunged all of Islam from their constitutions or not. In fact I'd argue that a big and distressing problem for the Arab Middle East in particular and part of why Islamism in all its varieties has the appeal it has in large part comes down to just how loving wretched almost all of those secular regimes have been. Its not, but it tends to coincide with a lot of Islamic law stuff.
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LanceHunter posted:Uhm...what the gently caress is this racist bullshit? Every woman I know who is in the US and chooses to wear a hijab knows that she is going to face more discrimination and be under greater threat because she made that choice, and chooses to do so in spite of that. OK, my comment was very stupid but I just dislike any religion that forces women to wear certain clothing for the sake of modesty, especially if the men are still free to wear whatever they want.
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Yaldabaoth posted:OK, my comment was very stupid but I just dislike any religion that forces women to wear certain clothing for the sake of modesty, especially if the men are still free to wear whatever they want. 
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Yaldabaoth posted:This should be a wake-up call for all muslim women in western countries who think they're wearing the hijab of their own free will. Just try not wearing it and see where that gets you. You could say the same thing about wearing pants
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"Up yours woke moralists, we'll see who cancels whose haircuts!" https://twitter.com/krisnova/status/1572674797771034624?s=20&t=MvPoKZt8CsvrO6xicLxpoQ Crackdowns are likely to start. CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 20:55 on Sep 21, 2022 |
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Don't worry people of Iran, Ol' Musky is going to save you with Starlink!Devils Affricate posted:You could say the same thing about wearing pants You could, and you'd be correct
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CommieGIR posted:https://twitter.com/krisnova/status/1572674797771034624?s=20&t=MvPoKZt8CsvrO6xicLxpoQ Yeah, this is looking familiar  I'll probably nope out of following and posting on this going forwards until things seem to be heading a certain way, because I don't think people need me being pessimistic about this.
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Sep 21, 2022 20:58
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The modern police state has made appeasing the people obsolete
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do we all have to turn our facebook profile pictures green again? that seems like a hassle, but I will do it if it will overthrow the government of Iran
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FreeRangeHexagon posted:do we all have to turn our facebook profile pictures green again? that seems like a hassle, but I will do it if it will overthrow the government of Iran You were supposed to delete your facebook account
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Reza Pahlavi is tanned, rested, and ready.
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mobby_6kl posted:You were supposed to delete your facebook account i keep it active for when it's time to make important political statements by way of lovely photo filters
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Sep 21, 2022 22:57
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i think they should not have killed the woman
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FreeRangeHexagon posted:i keep it active for when it's time to make important political statements by way of lovely photo filters who are you upset at?
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Persian food is delicious and I wish the Iranians the best in their rioting.
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Bad Purchase posted:i think they should not have killed the woman let's be fair - none of us know exactly the extent to which she was exposing her hair so let's not rush to judgement
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https://i.imgur.com/APkwrqD.mp4 They’re very brave.
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gently caress SNEEP posted:who are you upset at? slacktivists I guess
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Is it not wearing the hijab properly? I read about some women having different hairstyles that stick out a bit. Did they really kill her over a braid or a some bangs?
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I apologize for duplicating a post I just made in D&D, but I'm eager to learn more about what's going on in Iran. From what I understand, while the conventional military is probably more sympathetic to the Iranian people, the Revolutionary Guards and associated thugs are pretty united and have all the best weapons and tools for violence. Corruption has helped keep them wealthy too, so there isn't a lot of major factional disputes among the mullahs. This isn't like 1979 where the Shah wasn't decisive enough to repress protests quickly enough before discontent spread in the army. I fear a lot of these protestors are going to die and there's not much any foreign country can do to help them out because no alternative leadership is in the country to supplant the IRI. Anything resembling regime change is a pipe dream. I'd love for any Iran experts here to correct me if I'm wrong.
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I wish to apologize for my previous comment. I let my emotions get the better of me and tried to condemn the entire religion. This whole situation is still royally hosed though.
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Has anyone made the ayatollah assahola joke yet?
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Eric Cantonese posted:I apologize for duplicating a post I just made in D&D, but I'm eager to learn more about what's going on in Iran. im no expert but as far as foreign relations, i think theres a big dumb feedback loop between the repressive government + Revolutionary Guard doing their thing, and then every X amount of years the Republicans here in America reinvigorate the "bomb Iran" sentiment and the people of Iran feel scared and the right-wing hardliners in their country get support. tearing up the Iran deal was probably one of the worst long term decisions the pasty asshats of the Republican party came up with under Trump. of course leave it to those provincial putzes to target the country with probably the most non-Islamic identity in their Christloving holy war. i really wanted to travel to Iran one day, my best friend is Persian.
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