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Tibalt posted:But, that might change if not supporting creators meant you don't get whatever niche entertainment you enjoy. It won't. It would just create another vacuum that will get filled and exploited. People in general largely refuse to pay for the content/services they are provided. Companies like Google and Disney know they can maintain/grow a stranglehold on their markets because they know that, in isolation, the services they provide are not profitable. They can only be monetized by funding/bundling them with their other services (advertising, datamining, etc)
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:But, big companies that rely heavily on brand awareness (with the exception of Uber) all seem to realize that they don't know what the impact of online advertising is, but are all too scared to be "the one" who stops doing it and gets buried. So, it's become like a weird cost of doing business to just throw away a certain amount of your company's money as an insurance policy. We've visited the goddamn moon and somehow the supposed big intelligent leaders of our society still feel perfectly normal sacrificing large swaths of grain to the gods.
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Sep 27, 2022 19:49
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Reuters wire blurb says "All major railroad unions have ratified or are in the process of ratifying" the new union contract that Biden negotiated. So, no strike. Probably be a full story on it available shortly.
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Sep 27, 2022 20:06
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Similar, except basically every large podcast network is in on it. Wasn't there an account of eBay dropping all online advertising for several months and showing no differences in sales and traffic?
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Sep 27, 2022 20:14
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Solkanar512 posted:Wasn't there an account of eBay dropping all online advertising for several months and showing no differences in sales and traffic? That was Uber; which is why I included the "(except for Uber)" part.
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Sep 27, 2022 20:18
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Ebay also did it, but much longer ago
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Sep 27, 2022 20:23
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Fart Amplifier posted:It won't. It would just create another vacuum that will get filled and exploited. ...But yeah, don't quit your day job and don't try to monetize your life, it's not going to be worth it.
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Sep 27, 2022 20:28
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i mean arent nearly all supa star whales the kids of well off familys that can give them a few years "support" to get established and then theyre successful?
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Sep 27, 2022 21:03
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The US politics thread is talking online creators and the online creators is talking about banking. This is a werid day on the Something Awful forums. ANYWAY, the content creator whales on Youtube tend to be the first couple of people who find a particular niche first and keep making things without burning out. I'm less sure about Twitch, but it tends to come more down to niche + wide circle of like-minded folks since a ton of streamers follow one another + ability to talk extemperanously to stranges for hours. I think all the folks I follow on Twitch except one musican on Twitch have day jobs, since it's harder to capture the market on "playing video games." I barely listen to podcasts and I don't watch tiktok for the fear that it would become a massive time sink so I have no idea how to get popular on those platforms.
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Sep 27, 2022 22:08
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Tibalt posted:I agree that you're probably right, but there have been a few counter examples in some niches. Twitch streaming does seem to indicate that whales for content creators exist, you've got furry artists living off the patronage of furries, the TTRPG market supports some people despite not relying on the ad market money. For the most part, creators are only able to build enough of a following to live off because they're subsidized by ads. They can post their work freely available for everyone to view for free, and use that free work to build a fanbase and hook whales that they can then monetize. If they had to pay to post their stuff, or if people had to pay to view it, they'd never find enough fans to make it worth putting stuff behind a paywall. And the platform facilitates that because it places ads next to their free work.
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Sep 27, 2022 22:09
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Popular creators/the upper 1%, are pushed heavily by companies and algorithms and not just because they get views but because they are astroturfed (celebrities, other big names, certain politics channels), know people in the companies outside of typical partnerships and/or heavily game the systems. Most content is created by middle-of-the-road creators but they are purposefully marginalized by the companies. For example, Let's Players and other creators who center their content around games are considered a lower tier by Youtube no matter how many views, ads views, superchats, interactions and etc they generate. Many want to unionize but how is an unanswered question and organization so far is not meaningful.
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I've occasionally had to navigate the internet without an ad blocker installed and I can't for the life of me imagine that being the norm.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:That was Uber; which is why I included the "(except for Uber)" part. Ebay did something similar several years ago now. https://hbr.org/2013/03/did-ebay-just-prove-that-paid quote:Encouraged by these findings, eBay management agreed to run a controlled experiment where they shut off all Google search ads in a third of the country, while continuing to buy ads everywhere else. In contrast to branded keywords — where it’s inevitable that the company will end up as one of the top unpaid listings — there’s a good chance that if you try searching for “used les paul guitar,” a guitar reseller will appear ahead of eBay’s search listing. So in order to drive a customer to eBay for his guitar purchase rather than, say, Guitar Center, it might be worth the cost of placing a carefully targeted ad.
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Cranappleberry posted:Popular creators/the upper 1%, are pushed heavily by companies and algorithms and not just because they get views but because they are astroturfed (celebrities, other big names, certain politics channels), know people in the companies outside of typical partnerships and/or heavily game the systems. Dr. Disrespected his wife was just on Sunday Night Football somehow. I thought I was hallucinating. It blows my mind that streamers have any kind of popular appeal.
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Wayne Knight posted:Dr. Disrespected his wife was just on Sunday Night Football somehow. I thought I was hallucinating. It blows my mind that streamers have any kind of popular appeal. Logan Paul is now on WWE. Streamers are just like other celebrities now Also you misspelled Dr. Pissrespect
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Is the reason for his removal from twitch now known?
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On a different note, the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco released a study attributing up to 60% of the increase in the cost of housing to remote work:"Remote Work and Housing Demand posted:The COVID-19 pandemic reshaped the way households work. Nearly a third of employees still worked from home part time or full time as of August 2022. This has significantly increased housing demand and is a key factor explaining why U.S. house prices grew 24% between November 2019 and November 2021. Analysis shows that the shift to remote work may account for more than half of overall house price increases and similar increases in rents. This fundamental evolution in work-related housing demand may be important for future house prices. My take is that while increasing rates are going to decrease the demand for homes, the realignment caused by Covid-19 is going to offset that and there's still going to be a permanent increase in demand. We're not going to get the housing crash that people are waiting for and we're might not even get the market correction you'd expect. Just add it as one more thing to the pile of 'This economy is weird and the old rules don't apply anymore,' along with the permanent contraction of the workforce keeping unemployment low and increased demands for goods and services slamming into supply chain issues.
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Tibalt posted:On a different note, the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco released a study attributing up to 60% of the increase in the cost of housing to remote work: I bought a house in May and "can I get Fiber here for remote work" was a high priority deal breaker when deciding (I do heavy media work, had to have hefty upload speeds).
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BonoMan posted:I bought a house in May and "can I get Fiber here for remote work" was a high priority deal breaker when deciding (I do heavy media work, had to have hefty upload speeds). Definitely this. Any place that has had the forethought to make sure they have a robust coverage of reliable high speed fiber is going to cash in big regardless of physical location (though yeah, rural/Middle America places with good broadband are gonna go gangbusters, especially if there's low COL, desirable local features like national parks, bars and restaurants, beaches/lakes/skiing what have you).
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Tibalt posted:On a different note, the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco released a study attributing up to 60% of the increase in the cost of housing to remote work: these are always the dumbest poo poo when it comes to "economic" "analysis" "i see, landlords only became greedy as a result of the pandemic and never before wanted to charge as high a rent as they could get away with" you see similar "i see, oil companies only just thought hey maybe we should charge high prices" and yeah that makes a lot of sense: suddenly the demand for more space has gone up - people need an extra room to work from home than they did before
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Tibalt posted:My take is that while increasing rates are going to decrease the demand for homes, the realignment caused by Covid-19 is going to offset that and there's still going to be a permanent increase in demand. We're not going to get the housing crash that people are waiting for and we're might not even get the market correction you'd expect. Just add it as one more thing to the pile of 'This economy is weird and the old rules don't apply anymore,' along with the permanent contraction of the workforce keeping unemployment low and increased demands for goods and services slamming into supply chain issues. Demand isn't "I want a bigger house." It's "I want a bigger house and have the means to get one at a price the seller will accept." Interest rate hikes will handily turn the latter into the former if prices don't budge, so sellers are going to have to adapt. It's not different this time. It never is.
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tagesschau posted:Demand isn't "I want a bigger house." It's "I want a bigger house and have the means to get one at a price the seller will accept." Interest rate hikes will handily turn the latter into the former if prices don't budge, so sellers are going to have to adapt.
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Tibalt posted:On a different note, the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco released a study attributing up to 60% of the increase in the cost of housing to remote work: I think this article mixes up correlation and causation. My own completely anecdotal explanation is that people rightfully viewed remote as fleeting so they didn't move to places that actually had space and cheaper houses. As in, house prices on average jumped due to a sharp increase in prices on the periphery of metro areas because people expected to get dragged back into the office. They were thinking it was easier to eat a longer commute in the future than expect to have to uproot entirely when the c-suite decides everyone needs to be back in the office. I may just have data laying around I can use to confirm/deny this.
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Boot and Rally posted:I think this article mixes up correlation and causation. My own completely anecdotal explanation is that people rightfully viewed remote as fleeting so they didn't move to places that actually had space and cheaper houses. As in, house prices on average jumped due to a sharp increase in prices on the periphery of metro areas because people expected to get dragged back into the office. They were thinking it was easier to eat a longer commute in the future than expect to have to uproot entirely when the c-suite decides everyone needs to be back in the office. What aspect of how the study controlled for migration do you disagree with?
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Kalit posted:What aspect of how the study controlled for migration do you disagree with? I didn't say I disagreed with any aspect of how the study controlled for migration. I think you quoted the wrong post.
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We live in the worst possible timeline, so I bet she will still win her primary, but someone just asked Schumer about the DSCC's policy to support all incumbents and whether it applies to Krysten Sinema and he said, "Well, the policy is not to directly support primary challengers to incumbents." Then, when asked specifically if he would endorse Sinema if someone else ran against her in 2024, wouldn't say that he would. But, he did say that "she has been there for some important votes and that is all I have to say right now."
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:We live in the worst possible timeline, so I bet she will still win her primary, but someone just asked Schumer about the DSCC's policy to support all incumbents and whether it applies to Krysten Sinema and he said, "Well, the policy is not to directly support primary challengers to incumbents." Schumer isn't gonna go "her rear end is grass." He still needs her and she's in there for a few more years. She's -50 in favorables for the democratic party of AZ. She's toast unless she saves a busload of babies and solves the water crisis.
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Tibalt posted:We're not going to get the housing crash that people are waiting for and we're might not even get the market correction you'd expect. Just add it as one more thing to the pile of 'This economy is weird and the old rules don't apply anymore,' along with the permanent contraction of the workforce keeping unemployment low and increased demands for goods and services slamming into supply chain issues. This was always just wishful thinking mixed with a belief that something that goes up a lot surely must come back down. My former coworkers back in Colorado are still repeating the idiotic line that marijuana legalization is what’s driving housing costs and surely that bubble will burst, when the costs are actually being driven by a pretty large amount of sustainable industrial growth and federal investment.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:We live in the worst possible timeline, so I bet she will still win her primary, but someone just asked Schumer about the DSCC's policy to support all incumbents and whether it applies to Krysten Sinema and he said, "Well, the policy is not to directly support primary challengers to incumbents." Sinema's still going to be in that seat for a minimum of two years, so Schumer's not going to go out of his way to publicly antagonize her now.
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Tiny Timbs posted:This was always just wishful thinking mixed with a belief that something that goes up a lot surely must come back down. My former coworkers back in Colorado are still repeating the idiotic line that marijuana legalization is what’s driving housing costs and surely that bubble will burst, when the costs are actually being driven by a pretty large amount of sustainable industrial growth and federal investment. Wait, they think that CO is the only place that has legal weed? Have they ever heard of the west coast? WA went legal the same year that CO did.
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I would have thought that weed legalization would drive down housing prices in some areas since grow houses would become unnecessary.
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edit: nevermind, this is too inside baseball.
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Does that mean I can tell a restaurant that their nasty cucumber water is unhealthy? Edit: wait come back, I need to justify avoiding cucumber water.
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Zachack posted:Does that mean I can tell a restaurant that their nasty cucumber water is unhealthy? It would mean cucumber water can't be sold as healthy, nor any other flavored water. If you're going to say water is healthy, there is zero reason for this, and it will just feed into misinformation/scaremongering about the flavor ingredients.
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Discendo Vox posted:It would mean cucumber water can't be sold as healthy, nor any other flavored water. If you're going to say water is healthy, there is zero reason for this, and it will just feed into misinformation/scaremongering about the flavor ingredients. But cucumber water is unhealthy. Cucumber is one of the deadliest plants on earth and it tries to warn you itself with its terrible taste.
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Zachack posted:But cucumber water is unhealthy. Cucumber is one of the deadliest plants on earth and it tries to warn you itself with its terrible taste. No way, if cucumbers are bad why are pickles delicious?
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:No way, if cucumbers are bad why are pickles delicious? Vinegar is a substrate that aids in recombinant DNA modifications, which is what pickles are. Th deadly cucumber is fundamentally eradicated as its DNA is changed into a crisp pickle. That's why it's called CRISPR.
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I don't know what the gently caress you guys are talking about cucumbers are good and pickles are nasty
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Digamma-F-Wau posted:I don't know what the gently caress you guys are talking about cucumbers are good and pickles are nasty mod note: poster is wrong and if I didn't like the current thread title so much I would say so there
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One time I had a cucumber that was spoiled and I didn't notice and whatever mold that was on it destroyed my taste buds for about 2 hrs. But also I like sweet pickles. In conclusion, cucumbers are a land of contrasts. Jaxyon fucked around with this message at 01:25 on Sep 29, 2022 |
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