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I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

He escaped from the Black Hole Sun video

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I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

FlamingLiberal posted:

Not satisfied with ruining everything else, SCOTUS appears to be preparing to ruin the Internet

https://twitter.com/scotusblog/status/1576932123801374721?s=46&t=Lu2DkZrjK_LqH81B3t0b6w

So is pornography going to be illegal now? What are the specifics of that communications decency case?

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

I always forget that right-wing media is hugely tied up in alt-med scams and selling poo poo to the rubes they cultivate by destroying their minds.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Alt-med has been a right-wing mainstay since the 1970s, growing on the back of Barry Goldwater’s mailings lists. That’s not to deny that there aren’t other avenues for it or that it hasn’t been historically popular with other populations.

Rick Perlstein wrote the definitive history for The Baffler last decade: https://thebaffler.com/salvos/the-long-con

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

The issue is not simply that nazis make youtube videos, but that the algorithm grabs and circulates them widely, giving them an advantage over other videos and basically guaranteeing that everyone will see one eventually. There’s a reason that every middle-school boy in America is repeating Andrew Tate’s lines, and it’s not because he’s clever.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

PhazonLink posted:

Fox News viewership is trending up into the mid 70s now, he's radicalizing old people?

It’s not the most pressing problem, but it is a problem.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

BonoMan posted:

I doubt it's scandal as it's for the job of Presidency so I don't think Florida would just invite that in wholesale (but I mean... it is Florida).

I'm assuming it's just money.

Isn’t the governor of Florida taking a case to the supreme court to make it so that university faculty do not have first-amendment protections while teaching? Maybe he’s being positioned to help deprive people of their rights.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Yeah, it’s reproduction as a means of reducing women to being objects that men control, which is something especially women who are anti-abortion don’t always seem to understand.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Are there really undecided voters at this point in history? Or is that meant in the sense of “undecided about whether or not they’re going to bother voting this time”?

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

I think most people who advocate for the death penalty really like the ritual aspects of it and would feel that it wasn’t really the death penalty if terror and pain weren’t properly measured aspects of it.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Well yeah, I can’t eat beef any more because I learned too much about cows.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Discendo Vox posted:

So you're taking the position that algorithmic sorting functions, including ML-based ones, do not produce effects outside those intended by their designers?

I think they’re saying that the only meaningful effect as far as the owners are concerned is an increase in the rate of profit via increasing the net amount of viewing time, whether that’s because of Elsa taking Spiderman to the doctor or minecraft streams where they talk about the great replacement for six hours.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Discendo Vox posted:

I've gotten several different interpretations here and not much of a clear statement. Are you saying, for example, the "suicide kit" product recommendations at amazon weren't contrary to the designs of the people at amazon?

There’s a category error going on here. When people say that amazon recommending suicide kits is consistent with the designs of amazon, they mean that it makes money for amazon and that the entire design of amazon is to make money. They mean that amazon is entirely indifferent to anything other than making money. That’s different from saying that amazon desires to kill people, though the effect is the same. You could ask the same thing by wondering if Union Carbide intended to kill people.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Russia represents a system they badly want to create in the US.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

evilweasel posted:

why graham is popular with republicans is not really that he is a true believer

it's that he's not, and he has been compelled to humiliate and abase himself repeatedly, which is a demonstration of their power

I don’t understand why a gay guy would work so hard to build the camps and kill all gay people, but republicans have to enjoy seeing him utterly debase himself that way. Has he ever delivered anything good for his voters?

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Will this be a twitter renaissance, or is it going straight into the toilet?

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

The load-bearing slurs are comin’ back, baby!

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Is she implying that Pelosi is lying about what happened? “I couldn’t sneak in so obviously this guy couldn’t have snuck in?”

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Was it ever definitively proven? Wiki just says he was attacked by two guys who knew him who had a check for $3500 from him, but the article title calls it a hoax: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jussie_Smollett_hate_crime_hoax

Their claim that he told them to do it has never been substantiated so far as I can tell.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

How has twitter stayed afloat all this time? It’s always been unusable and full of nazis. There’s a thin crust of absolute psychos who post hundreds of times a day there and I can’t imagine they’d ever stop, but what would it take for twitter to finally die?

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Also Walker’s a fuckin’ freak and republicans in Georgia are too racist to vote for a black man, which is why the governor won and he didn’t.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

He looks like a loving mummy.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

volts5000 posted:

After the midterms, I felt content that Trump would either be written off by the GOP and/or a spark to cause more GOP infighting. Listening to his speech on CNN and listening to CNN's reaction was like having a flashback to an abusive ex. I remembered why people were attracted to him. I remembered when news media treated him like just another candidate that happened to be good for ratings. The man is a walking talking angry Facebook post and we all know how easily those circulate and burrow into people's brains.

At least CNN brought up Jan 6, Charlottesville, and his COVID response. It was like a PTSD flashback to 2018, when I was doomscrolling threads like these to make sense of the madness.

I will never forget this graphic and how much I hate everyone involved in putting it on television:

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

I guess we’ll see how hard it is to assemble the votes to pass something, which she was occasionally in the position of doing.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Reactionaries are occasionally right for the wrong reasons. That doesn’t mean that we should care what they think.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Is there no enforcement mechanism for that damages cap other than judges choosing to abide it?

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:

the most obvious case was the parliamentarian saga, where the democratic party decided that if a single unelected official, one wholly in their power to dismiss and reappoint, ruled against them, the only thing to do was shrug and tell the American people 'welp we tried guess that's not happening, real shame.'

it would have been -indecorous- to seek to circumvent the parliamentarian in order to accomplish their political goals. and so they did not do so.

“We can’t give republicans any ammunition to criticize us.”

Republicans: “Democrats are grooming your kids! Help us find a final solution for these diseased perverts before it’s too late.”

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

It’s a workplace shooting of the kind that used to be common before columbine perfected school shootings into a science. In this era it is a bit of a novelty as a throwback to when mass murder was about foregrounding the misery and hopelessness of the atomized, anomic worker who can’t imagine any escape other than spectacular violence they think of as some mind of vague revenge. Since columbine, it’s really been all about reactionary scumfucks externalizing their entitlement into gestures they hope will terrorize society. I guess the post-2015 spate of reactionary scumfucks literally acting out the orders of mass media to kill gays and immigrants is a third kind.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Class3KillStorm posted:

While I agree with your general sentiments, even if you could get through the bolded steps above - and that's an if the size of the Empire State Building, mind you - what are you going to do about all of the guns currently in existence/circulation in the US? We already have almost as many guns as citizens here, and even if you could cut off the flow entirely tomorrow - no more guns being made or sold to citizens, no more military-grade weapons being handed off to police departments, etc. - there's still enough already existing weapons out there in people's hands to keep the current mass shooting status quo running for basically forever.

That doesn’t make the problem insurmountable. You wait, maybe do generous buyback programs to get them away from the economically desperate. Make a kinder world with a robust safety net that makes people less afraid. Speak honestly about how deranged and stupid the average gun owner is and publicize all the cases of gun people accidentally killing their kids, or of their kids accidentally killing themselves. Gun people can’t be reached, but culture can change and their kids will be different. Smoking used to be commonplace in the US, but now it’s despised. I see no reason gun ownership couldn’t follow the same trajectory. Cigarette companies had a stranglehold on law and politics in the US just like the nra and gun manufacturers do now. You can’t make a problem go away entirely, but that’s no excuse to do nothing.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

DeadlyMuffin posted:

If the root cause of mass shootings is capitalism, why does the US have so many more shootings than other capitalist countries?

There’s a category error in the question above, where “capitalist country” is meant to have some stable definition. The post you’re replying to is explaining how the operation of capitalism can create a shithole country like the United States, not making a general claim that any capitalist country necessarily must be the same exact kind of shithole. That capitalism should operate differently in a country structured like the US, structured sociologically and formally through institutions and laws, than in a country structured differently doesn’t mean that the explanation can’t be the operation of capitalism. The second amendment doesn’t inevitably create a situation like ours: it was a 40-year campaign by millionaires and gun companies targeted at interpreting the second amendment as the supreme court has chosen to interpret it.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

DeadlyMuffin posted:

It seems like people are twisting themselves in knots to find something to blame other than the huge number of guns in the US, and the low barriers to obtaining them.

I think I see where your mistake starts. Where do the guns come from?

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Yeah, I’d call it an improvement if nazis had to rely 100% on making bombs. Columbine was a failed bombing. Imagine if it had ended there. Everything vis a vis mass killing in the US would be different because the foundational narrative would have been nazi scum fail because they’re loser idiots.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

There’s nothing moderate about the Republican Party. I wonder what they’re offering those representatives to try getting them to change parties.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Huh. America had its first Port Arthur 12 years before the actual Port Arthur, and already nobody gave a poo poo. gently caress this garbage country.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Judgy Fucker posted:

I know I should probably get this reference, but mind elaborating, please?

It’s the reason Australia has gun control: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Arthur_massacre_(Australia)

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

It seems like the same kind of recursive irony people like the New Zealand shooter used. Or the thing Milo Yiannopolis did when he said “you can’t criticize me—I’m gay and so by the logic of the tolerant left, I am immune to criticism.”

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Where did the attorney come from? Chud grandpa hired him?

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Isn’t one of the fundamental results of our winner-take-all election system that most people must sort themselves into one of two broad coalitions and satisfy themselves with whatever they can get that way? Biden’s position in the 2020 primary whenever he was criticized often boiled down to “go vote for trump, then!” It’s not crazy to acknowledge that such a system imposes pretty strong limits on what is possible.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

If the workers’ demands must be agreed to in order to avert catastrophe, it seems like the logical thing to do is agree to their demands.

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I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

The pernicious quality to blaming Russia for being “actually” behind the fracturing of American society or loss of faith in our institutions and so on is that it completely ignores how a foreign intelligence service wouldn’t be able to get people to kill each other and attempt to collapse their own country if conditions weren’t such that people already do those things. I don’t think Russia’s been shown to have done much more than post on Facebook, but even if some American fascists got money from the fsb to destroy a power grid somewhere, that’s not the relevant part of what happened.

The cia tried to collapse Cuba for 50 years but couldn’t do it because there wasn’t a critical mass of desperate people primed by psychotic racism and conspiracy theories to give bombs to. Am I wrong about this?

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