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haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

joe football posted:

Kind of like the intermediary of a credit card between someone who wants my money and my actual money. I know Europe basically gets along without credit cards though

As someone whose card has been stolen more than once, I like the fraud liability being on someone else

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haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



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Wayne Knight posted:

But how do you handle "I know I'm going to charge you, but I don't yet know how much." Like with (please don't derail) tipping

You'd have to change the flow so the tip is specified before the card is scanned, it wouldn't be that hard. It might be an adjustment with paper checks but anywhere that brings a handheld POS to the table (like most of the world outside the US) will be fine

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



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Tibalt posted:

Adpocalypse has been a slow rolling disaster for online content creation since 2017, unfortunately. VC startup money low-key patronizing your favorite podcasts, video essayists, and 60 second skit comedians has been great for viewers but not so great for the startups.

Yeah, it's becoming increasingly clear that all that tracking and targeting ad-tech stuff doesn't actually add any value to the process and the only thing those dollars are buying is the ire of customers and privacy advocates. But nobody's willing to be the first to cut their losses and go back to using less cutting-edge stuff than the other guy, so the investor money keeps flowing and our browsers keep throwing away more and more of what's served to them.

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
Ebay also did it, but much longer ago

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

Wayne Knight posted:

Dr. Disrespected his wife was just on Sunday Night Football somehow. I thought I was hallucinating. It blows my mind that streamers have any kind of popular appeal.

Logan Paul is now on WWE. Streamers are just like other celebrities now

Also you misspelled Dr. Pissrespect

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
Speaking of, getting rid of airbnb would go a long way to reducing vacancy

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

I AM GRANDO posted:

So is pornography going to be illegal now? What are the specifics of that communications decency case?

https://www.scotusblog.com/2022/04/...up-section-230/

tldr: The father of one of the victims of the November 2015 Paris terror attacks sued Google for allowing the Youtube algorithm to recommend ISIS recruitment videos. Section 230 is clear that merely hosting content is protected, but the open question is whether algorithmic recommendations are editorial decisions that would cause Youtube to lose protection.

haveblue fucked around with this message at 15:39 on Oct 3, 2022

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

Riptor posted:

The allegation is that the algorithmic recommendations is, itself, an editorial decision which is stupid

Why is it stupid? Youtube is not a fully autonomous strong AI, every decision the algorithm makes was the result of human input into its priorities. It surfaces and buries videos based on what Youtube's human operators believe optimizes their business, and not based on social good or anything like that because that's how the humans configured it. It may have evolved into a black box that no one person fully understands, and it may have grown far too large to transition to direct human oversight of all content, but that doesn't necessarily protect them from liability or responsibility to fix it

haveblue fucked around with this message at 16:51 on Oct 3, 2022

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



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Rappaport posted:



Culture war stuff is hilarious and :sad:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjGolrmbk9s

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



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My geocities page had an embedded Metallica midi

No, I'm not sorry

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



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Looking at the rest of that account, it’s definitely a Worst Person You Know Made A Great Point situation

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

bird food bathtub posted:

Tremendously bad ideas haven't stopped the big-brain-haver from making a kiddy submarine then screaming about the people saving lives actually being pedophiles.

Don't forget that he ended up winning the ensuing libel lawsuit, which was probably a big contributor to his later megalomania

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

Vire posted:

He can't do this his crony judge hosed it up for him and amended her court order after the appeal so it can't go to the supreme court I believe. Just more bullshit.

Edit: Comedy option she amends the order again so he can? I don't even know if that is possible or has ever happened in the history of the country but you know haha.

The comedy option is that if SCOTUS accepts the case anyway, who's going to yank it out of their hands?

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

Paracaidas posted:

"Proper moderation" to prevent hosting the video in this case, on the scale of Youtube (to say nothing of tiktok, fb, and other socials), approaches a global full employment plan.

It’s beyond a global full employment plan, YouTube as it exists today is completely infeasible to moderate, full stop.

So, why not forcibly scale it down to the point that it can be feasibly moderated? Maybe sites like that shouldn’t exist because they aren’t worth the social costs of profit-driven algorithmic moderation.

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



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There is a problem with bicyclist deaths, but that's a totally different set of circumstances

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
Actually, you do have to let people shoot each other on Fifth Avenue and get away with it

quote:

A federal judge in New York on Thursday temporarily blocked parts of the state's new gun law to allow the Gun Owners of America, an advocacy group, to pursue a lawsuit challenging the legislation.

The law came into effect on Sept. 1, creating new requirements for obtaining a license, including submitting social media accounts for review, and creating a long list of public and private places where having a gun became a felony crime, even for license holders.

Lawmakers in New York's Democratic-controlled legislature had passed the law during an emergency session in July after the U.S. Supreme Court found the state's licensing regime for firearms to be unconstitutional following a challenge by the New York affiliate of the National Rifle Association, a powerful gun-owners' rights group.

The order strikes down some of the places in which guns were banned (Times Square, theaters and arenas, public transit) while leaving others in effect (schools, polling places, government facilities). It also reverses some of the tightening of requirements for concealed carry permits. It will go into effect in three days unless the state can get a higher court to overrule it first.

The judge who issued this order was appointed by George W. Bush.

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



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Finally, Biden has stopped giving a hot gay gently caress what Congress says

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
Lost me at

quote:

It is a scary thing for a teenage boy to think about sex with women.

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



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He's just mad the "Christian media" section of Barnes and Noble is such an object of ridicule

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

Twincityhacker posted:

I wonder how they picked the new names? But this is unambigiously a good thing, first with renaming any public feature with the native slur sq** and now with refusing to honor literal traitors.

It says in the memo this is the result of each base holding its own local process

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

Young Freud posted:

I think this really comes down to regulating algorithms or at least putting a human in the loop to hit a button whenever these issues arise. The same thing happens with radicalization with YouTube videos or Facebook group and how that poo poo is being gamed to get more adherents to indoctrinate by abusing the traffic algorithms to those views. Like after a few hits, maybe have a manager come in and flag recommendations before getting they hurt more people.

Amazon is going to run into the same problem Youtube runs into- there are not enough managers in the world to keep up with how often the algorithm fucks up

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

Crain posted:

I agree, at least on a fundamental level. Though I'm not sure a straight "sort content by new" function or a "new" section that strictly just shows all uploads in chronological order would count. But once you attribute something like "here's the best 10 videos" to content sorting it's an objective call even if you just run it by collecting which videos have the most stars/upvotes/thumbsup/etc.

The suggestion I like is that the algorithm has to run in response to an explicit user request to qualify for protection. This would preserve basic listing and sorting (the user did click "show me videos", after all) while removing protections from Youtube's serial autoplay and recommendations section, and it could probably be crafted to kill the algorithmic timeline on other sites

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



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Automata 10 Pack posted:

when it comes to the youtube algorithm, isn't it owned by google? can't they just cross reference what videos the algorithm is feeding the people they've been datafarming for decades? "hey, let's look at the videos the algorithm is recommending to people who go to stormfront and google "phrenology" all the time."

It is, but like most "why don't they just supervise it better" solutions, it neglects the scale of the problem. For every phrenology video you catch, there are a thousand you didn't catch, and a thousand relationships between topics you didn't think of checking. Only changing the algorithm so it doesn't do this in the first place can produce a lasting, universal solution, and this is counter to the profit motive so they aren't going to do it spontaneously without outside pressure

haveblue fucked around with this message at 15:55 on Oct 11, 2022

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



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"...he was then transferred to a better courtroom, where his sentence was upgraded to "life in prison"..."

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
Maybe he’s just really into Doctor Who

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



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cr0y posted:

Can't wait to hear what very legal means were available for a 15 year old to have unfettered access to a firearm.

We don't even know that it *was* legal yet. The prep timeline usually gets pieced together over the following few days and could easily include stealing the gun from someone who didn't secure it properly

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

Josef bugman posted:

Has Haiti been asking for this? Or has the government of Haiti been asking for this

What entity would you consider authorized to express the desires of Haiti as a whole?

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
Also you may be raped to death during your trip to the distribution point and back

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

Cranappleberry posted:

I just think people need to be paid back and gating it is going to lead to it never happening.

Right now it's being gated by death squads. Being gated by the first world's unwillingness to do it would be an upgrade

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
Does "suppress the death squads and repair sanitation infrastructure" go inside or outside the box

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
Still curious who has the right to speak for Haiti on the international stage if the current government lacks credibility due to the history of outside interference (let's, for the sake of argument, ignore that the current government is recognized by the UN)

If you don't think there is any such entity right now, does that mean it is not possible for a request for intervention in Haiti to be made? And it is the obligation of the rest of the world to respect this, no matter what atrocities are committed upon the actual living people there?

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

Jaxyon posted:

geee why aren't the young pepole feeling sexy as the world falls into dystopia

who knows

This is why they've stopped having kids, but if it's true they aren't even trying to gently caress any more that's kinda weird

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
It's hard to kill something like Twitter from the outside, but it can absolutely be killed by rot from within. If he fucks it up badly enough it could start experiencing long and frequent periods in which the fundamentals of using the site at all are difficult for most or all of the users, whether this is due to downtime, major bugs, or security breaches. It will also be very hard to attract new engineering staff to fix these things

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
Yeah, it's not going to be lawsuits, it's going to be the service becoming more trouble than it's worth. Even if you're willing to put up with the torrents of replies from horrible people, or if you're forced to because you get paid to, if the site just straight up does not work to the point that it can't accept or show new posts, and this continues on and off for a long time, it's hard to see how it recovers from that

haveblue fucked around with this message at 15:35 on Oct 21, 2022

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



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Gumball Gumption posted:

I'm a bit skeptical that the debt ceiling arguments would really impact the midterms but either way it's such a messaging failure that people are so ignorant and so resistant to repealing an idea as dumb as the debt ceiling.

It’s ironic because it’s a government finance thing that does map perfectly to personal household finances- the debt ceiling is paying off a credit card

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
Havana was the first field test of the Weed Ray

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

Fart Amplifier posted:

The Senate can't set rules on SCOTUS any more than the SCOTUS can set rules on the Senate.

The Senate can write new interpretations of the good behavior clause into law. It's better than doing nothing. At worst, it invites the court to issue a ruling that says more clearly than ever that they have usurped too much power

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

Sir Lemming posted:

He also released an album last year but nobody heard it because it was only available as some limited edition physical gadget.

It was a really amazingly bizarre concept and product and absolutely emblematic of someone who has managed to banish all dissenting voices from his personal and professional life and then lost his mind.

quote:

Both practically and conceptually, the Stem Player is like a parody of what’s hailed as smart in the visionary-disruptor circles that West admires—the musical version of the Juicero or Elon Musk’s subway for cars. Once you get past the novelty of being able to remix your favorite music, you arrive at the bigger question: Why would you want to? Mixing music is an art in itself, a painstaking process that has been the labor of talented professionals since the dawn of multitrack recording. I can pretty much guarantee that one reason you love the music you do is because it was mixed by someone who is very good at mixing music. Kanye West, a famously exacting artist notorious for obsessing over the mixing of his own albums, is surely well aware of this. In some ways, I understand his idea to make this experience available to his fans, but expecting people to pay $200 for the opportunity to ruin their favorite music is a steep ask.

https://slate.com/culture/2022/03/kanye-west-donda-2-album-review-stem-player.html

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
The era of Musk begins, and maybe the era of Twitter ends, so it might be worth it

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haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



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FlamingLiberal posted:

Definitely the latter. He's going to have to cut expenses to an absurd extent and I imagine the place is going to go downhill quickly.

I still think he’s going to cut expenses to the point that the site’s usability is severely impacted, so the quality of the content won’t really matter since you can’t read or create it

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