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I mean the thread should probably be titled gently caress the NFL and us for watching this blood sport? The entire process is supposed to be out of the team's hands- it's an independent neurologist making the decision that is fully and solely capable of keeping the player off of the field until they're satisfied they don't have a concussion, and if they do keep them off of the field until they're satisfied they've recovered well enough. I don't know that the neurologist that evaluated Tua was on the take or whatever, but it's 100% a single point of failure for the entire system. After that point you're asking a loving orthopedic surgeon or an NFL head coach to overrule a famous neurologist, and often enough the player themselves- which is a stupid idea that's not going to intervene to fix it.
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Anime Store Adventure posted:I wanted to post this thread myself even though I’m not much a TFF regular poster but Jesus man gently caress the dolphs and probably the NFL. I felt uneasy during the whole Bills-Dolphins game but kind of believed “well they must have followed the rules maybe it’s fine.” Now I feel gross and I’m even angrier about that game and tonight’s game. All of this until the end of the second to last sentence. Goddamn I’m still buying he wasn’t 100% aware. But if it’s anything near provable he put that kid out to dry them im with you.
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Hamhandler posted:I mean the thread should probably be titled gently caress the NFL and us for watching this blood sport? The Dolphins suck rear end dude
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GOOD TIMES ON METH posted:The Dolphins suck rear end dude
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Hamhandler posted:I mean the thread should probably be titled gently caress the NFL and us for watching this blood sport? This might end up being the Dolphins' play honestly "oh yea our dr who we totally do not pressure in any way at all said it was fine talk to him" Although I wouldn't cry if said dr got his license revoked in addition to anything that happens to the Dolphins because he either approved it because he's incompetent, approved it because he's on the take/pressured, or got overruled and kept his mouth shut
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Sep 30, 2022 05:45
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It's like watching Any Given Sunday in real life!
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Sep 30, 2022 05:56
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i really hope tua is ok but also hope that the posters in this thread will take the honorable pledge
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Hamhandler posted:I mean the thread should probably be titled gently caress the NFL and us for watching this blood sport? It's right in the NFL rules that he should not at all have been let back in the game. https://www.nfl.com/playerhealthand...gement-protocol quote:"No-Go" Signs and Symptoms. If anything there's room for the ortho to overrule the neurologist lol Ches Neckbeard fucked around with this message at 06:15 on Sep 30, 2022 |
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Sep 30, 2022 06:12
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Amy Pole Her posted:All of this until the end of the second to last sentence. Goddamn I’m still buying he wasn’t 100% aware. But if it’s anything near provable he put that kid out to dry them im with you. I get your idea, and I hope I’m wrong, but I just get a poo poo vibe from him. I don’t follow the dolphins beyond “team the Bills will play twice” yet in the past few weeks I can’t watch a single NFL broadcast without this dude being the main character for way too long. He’s got some loving weird rear end “practical sarcasm” without being any meaningfully different from ancient poo poo coaches in his behavior. I feel like the NFL likes him because he can be the template for this era’s Bellichek but that they can clip into a 10 second Twitter video because he said a Funny. Maybe I’m way off base but after tonight I’m guilty until proven innocent with anyone in that loving system. So much for your Yale education that you can’t see a concussion. Regardless of Sunday’s outcome he could have sat Tua tonight. I don’t mean to be aggro at you it’s just so loving gross.
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See i feel like that’s based on the same level of bias I’m on, but opposite side. He seemed genuine. Guess we’ll see
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a neat cape posted:This is what happens when you talk poo poo about the Seahawks
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Sep 30, 2022 10:54
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Am being told Tua had information that would lead to the arrest of Hillary Clinton.
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Sep 30, 2022 12:43
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“We asked Tua and he said the neuro said he was good to go, no concussion” is what I expect to read soon and not believe.
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Ripping off a Reddit post so grain of salt this but… https://www.nfl.com/_amp/nfl-head-neck-and-spine-committee-s-concussion-diagnosis-and-management-protocol quote:The Club physician remains responsible for all final decisions regarding Return-to-Play. However, the Club physician will consult with his/her sideline [Unaffiliated Nuerotrama Consultant (UNC)] team member prior to reaching his/her decision. If the sideline UNC disagrees with the Club physician’s decision to return the player to play or remove the athlete, the sideline UNC will be given an opportunity to explain the basis of his/her opinion. This will be discussed in a collegial fashion in private as to why the player should or should not be returned to the game. The Club physician will communicate his or her final decision to the player." The independent neurologist doesn't actually have any power to stop someone from playing. They can just make a rec to a team-employed doctor. If the UNC says, "no way in gently caress should the player be out there," but the team doctor doesn't care, that means the player has passed the concussion protocol. (I think!)
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fartknocker posted:gently caress Tom Brady the patriots' dynasty was a long-term consequence of the fake spike gently caress dan marino
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fsif posted:Ripping off a Reddit post so grain of salt this but… That's very different than the way I thought this worked. If that's how it worked then this is simply a fundamentally broken process which can never be trusted. AND the Dolphins need to overhaul the medical staff.
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Ehud posted:AND the Dolphins need to overhaul the medical staff. If the team doc overruled the UNC then he's doing nothing more than the work of the team who employs him, its management and owner. The medical staff should be cleared out of course but they did this because they were told to, or had the impression from management and ownership to do this.
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Personally, I have hated the Miami Dolphins ever since the Fake Spike, so this bit of Tua fuckery is right on brand imo. How could they do that to Pete Carroll and the Jets?
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PERPETUAL IDIOT posted:If the team doc overruled the UNC then he's doing nothing more than the work of the team who employs him, its management and owner. The medical staff should be cleared out of course but they did this because they were told to, or had the impression from management and ownership to do this. the best possible outcome would be to find out that Stephen Ross was somehow involved in the decision and has to sell the team immediately
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why is this tweet so goddamn weird https://twitter.com/JosinaAnderson/status/1575826315235557378?s=20&t=GRziWA86RbMwbiDYvcIxpg what the hell is happening lol
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Ches Neckbeard posted:It's right in the NFL rules that he should not at all have been let back in the game. He absolutely did have an “orthopedic cause” though- The back injury thing wasn’t something they invented to cover for a concussion, he gets bent over backwards on a QB sneak in the Bills game, is in obvious pain in the pile and gets up and does a similar but lesser version of the staggering after the Milano hit. A back injury can 100% cause your legs to buckle, I’ve had it happen to me after a back injury in a car accident. People are uncomfortable with the reality that even a properly followed concussion protocol isn’t an adequate protection for player health, but there’s a reality here that everything was done properly here and it ended up with a guy taking a serious head injury.
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Amy Pole Her posted:All of this until the end of the second to last sentence. Same except it’s for the fact that having an undergrad degree in history from Yale doesn’t make you a “Yale historian.”
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Ehud posted:why is this tweet so goddamn weird because Josina Anderson is very weird and parrots what players/coaches/agents tell her for access like all ESPN reporters?
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Hamhandler posted:People are uncomfortable with the reality that even a properly followed concussion protocol isn’t an adequate protection for player health, but there’s a reality here that everything was done properly here and it ended up with a guy taking a serious head injury. Everything may have been done according to the protocol but that does not mean that the protocol is well designed or sufficient to protect player health.
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quote:everything was done properly here  keep digging your hole
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Hamhandler posted:He absolutely did have an “orthopedic cause” though- The back injury thing wasn’t something they invented to cover for a concussion, he gets bent over backwards on a QB sneak in the Bills game, is in obvious pain in the pile and gets up and does a similar but lesser version of the staggering after the Milano hit. A back injury can 100% cause your legs to buckle, I’ve had it happen to me after a back injury in a car accident. I think he has a back injury from that play you described. But I also find it very, very difficult to believe he didn't suffer a concussion last week. The back of his head hit the field, he shook his head as if it to "shake out the cobwebs" multiple times, and he couldn't walk because of an apparent loss of balance. None of us are experts in this poo poo but...come on.
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I thought the dude was paralyzed so i guess… im glad it was a concussion? I don’t know, all this poo poo sucks man.
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A little disingenuous but I’m not going to fight it because gently caress the Miami Dolphins.
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Tua should sue the team and league for one hundred billion dollars.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Everything may have been done according to the protocol but that does not mean that the protocol is well designed or sufficient to protect player health. While not being perfect I think the protocols plus most teams not wanting to kill off their players has at the very minimum not resulted in something as bad as what we've seen last night where you had something obviously happen in the last week and then the same player thrown back out there. I think obviously they should make whatever changes needed on a league level to protect the players. That said, They as an organization (NOT fans) don't give a poo poo about protocols or rules they just want to get away with poo poo to give them an edge. I'm not so cynical as to believe all 31 other teams would have handled this like the Dolphins did. Maybe a few would have but everyone including Dolfans fans were suspicious of his health after the Milano late hit and they still chose to do what they did.
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Let me clear this up: all 31 other teams would have done the exact same thing.
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TheBizzness posted:A little disingenuous but I’m not going to fight it because gently caress the Miami Dolphins. What's disingenuous about it? Don't those other recent events speak to Ross and team management being willing to bend/break the rules when they think they'll benefit from it?
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:Let me clear this up: all 31 other teams would have done the exact same thing. Not in week 4. I mean the playoffs for sure for some teams But this is the gently caress the Miami Dolphins thread.
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:Let me clear this up: all 31 other teams would have done the exact same thing. I doubt that. There’s a reason we see QBs miss weeks with a concussion. poo poo, Mahomes missed one during the playoffs on their Super Bowl run. The dolphins are just evil and dumb.
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No Butt Stuff posted:I doubt that. There’s a reason we see QBs miss weeks with a concussion. No he didn't. He was taken out of a game and missed like a half and only because he couldn't return by rule. He played the next game because they claimed he cleared concussion protocol almost immediately. Edit: The rule that kept him out the one half was the same "Neurological symptoms" rule everyone was talking about with Tua last week. wilderthanmild fucked around with this message at 14:53 on Sep 30, 2022 |
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