Overwatch 2: you can just rip off TF2

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LazyMaybe: Aug 18, 2013; oouagh

Endorph posted:

like tf2 has a half-finished co-op mode that hasnt been updated in ages that consists entirely of a few waves of enemies that are the same every time and there are people who have been playing exclusively that mode for a decade now, there are people with thousands of hours in it

a pve mode in this game would have absolutely been absurdly popular

this thread is genuinely the only place where I've ever seen people have a "whatever, who cares" reaction to the cancelled pve announcement. even twitch streamers who play the game's pvp more than almost anyone else up at gm+ are pissed about it, it's really funny that someone can have their head stuck in the sand to the degree that they don't realize that a whole lot of people really really wanted this(and secondly, that there just are way more pve gamers than pvp gamers out there)

# ¿ May 18, 2023 08:44

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# ¿ May 13, 2024 03:47

LazyMaybe: Aug 18, 2013; oouagh

dogstile posted:

Isn't this putting words in peoples mouths?

no

anyways I'm just thinking about how bobby kotick made $185 million in 2019, and how if even half that money was put towards making the pve campaign they could have had a whole secondary team to work on it alongside the main team doing stuff for the seasonal pvp

# ¿ May 18, 2023 10:51

LazyMaybe: Aug 18, 2013; oouagh

widespread posted:

Wouldn't it be funny if Diablo IV didn't turn much of - or if even turn - a profit

Especially with OW2's team being gutted for it

gamers are never ever ever capable of not spending money on things for highminded reasons

# ¿ May 19, 2023 21:14

LazyMaybe: Aug 18, 2013; oouagh

Doomykins posted:

From what I hear Nintendo does things like "put the wellbeing and integrity of the company long term first, including staff", "releasing games when they're done" and so on. However I'm not going to pretend any corporation, especially based on their public image, is a shining beacon of doing right by workers and perfectly run. Nintendo got pulled in by the TotK remark and yeah, compared to Blizzard they're looking pretty respectful. There are probably warts there if you knew where to look.

Mostly just their attitude towards emulation/modding/fangames, but that's not related to their workers.

# ¿ May 20, 2023 17:58

LazyMaybe: Aug 18, 2013; oouagh

widespread posted:

But to be fair, I dunno how well adding inertia to a faster shooter would pan out. Could be good, could be bungled.

Most faster shooters have at least a bit of inertia, letting you a/d strafe back and forth with no delay is quite unusual.

# ¿ May 22, 2023 21:46

LazyMaybe: Aug 18, 2013; oouagh

petition for anyone who unprompted brings up rule 34 in the overwatch thread to be thrown into the ocean

# ¿ May 22, 2023 23:46

LazyMaybe: Aug 18, 2013; oouagh

Pvt. Parts posted:

What exactly would be the prompt for that?

probably nothing, and definitely not "someone mentioned how CS/Valorant are very popular so their movement systems are well known"

# ¿ May 23, 2023 01:54

LazyMaybe: Aug 18, 2013; oouagh

MJBuddy posted:

I'm sure they're all just big loving idiots who don't do things like check retention models or survey feedback or play test. Yup everything they do is great except this one thing which you also conveniently hate.

something being good for making money doesn't mean it's the best for the sake of the game as a game

bear in mind that historically aim assist has usually not been as strong as it is in a game like apex. you do not need that level of AA to get console players on board. random example: halo 3's sticky reticule is noticeable, but a lot more mundane.

# ¿ May 23, 2023 22:32

LazyMaybe: Aug 18, 2013; oouagh

# ¿ May 24, 2023 01:12

LazyMaybe: Aug 18, 2013; oouagh

Horizon Burning posted:

it's the only reason this game is popular, cope

by the way I know the moment has fully passed but I wanna be clear here

I have not played overwatch in years. I am in this thread strictly because I am a hater. but the "overwatch is popular because porn" is the stupidest meme and whether you're saying it ironically or unironically, you should have better standards. talk poo poo about activision-blizzard's work schedules, their balancing, their PR, their scandals, their mismanagement. something real. hate on overwatch properly you hack

# ¿ May 24, 2023 01:50

LazyMaybe: Aug 18, 2013; oouagh

the dev commentaries talk about the reasons behind random crits-they're there for at least a couple reasons.
both helping to break up stalemates, and helping players go on sudden kill streaks for those "rare high moments" where you sometimes get to go on a rampage.

dogstile posted:

Unironically one of the best balanced sniper characters in any game. You don't get any of this flying across the map headshotting your support out of nowhere bullshit.

the charge mechanic (and lack of basically anything else other than having a sniper rifle) are definitely good in that regard, it's just funny for someone to talk about tf2 having a lack of headshots when sniper is probably the single most complained about class in the game

LazyMaybe fucked around with this message at 03:32 on May 24, 2023

# ¿ May 24, 2023 03:28

LazyMaybe: Aug 18, 2013; oouagh

Pattonesque posted:

I'm convinced people do not have their headphones on because like ... you can *hear* a sombra opening up on your backline, and you can *hear* the reaper teleporting into place and you can *hear* cassidy clomping about for a high noon flank and most of them simply do not react

Honestly, I've learned over time that many many gamers do not have headphones or just pay 0 attention to sound period.

People playing games while listening to music is a big part of this, too.

# ¿ Jun 14, 2023 15:13

LazyMaybe: Aug 18, 2013; oouagh

Hashy posted:

Mercy can't save a 200 health hero from a DPS or tank without damage falloff in the mix - OP was on a support hero that has an anti-heal and not using their anti-heal and then complaining about someone being healed

is said 200 health hero just standing around and doing nothing

because unless you burst them down insanely fast, you have to be super super consistent in your aim to have a prayer in killing someone that's getting pocketed before they kill you or something else fucks up the opportunity. what is required from the player trying to kill someone getting healed is very disproportionate to what is required from the person healing.

# ¿ Jul 22, 2023 06:27

LazyMaybe: Aug 18, 2013; oouagh

Jack Trades posted:

Are you saying that you should be able to win 1v2 without having to be much better than your opponents?

No, I'm saying that overwatch's gamefeel suffers terribly due to the amount of healing(and damage mitigation in general) that it has. I don't think I've ever played an FPS with healing as powerful as OW's and it makes the moment to moment feedback from shooting at guys feel way worse. You're constantly rolling the boulder uphill and if you falter for even a moment it goes crashing back down immediately.

# ¿ Jul 22, 2023 07:08

LazyMaybe: Aug 18, 2013; oouagh

Jack Trades posted:

so of course you can't just solo two players at the same time,

Yeah. I know. Did you read the post you're responding to here?

# ¿ Jul 22, 2023 07:28

LazyMaybe: Aug 18, 2013; oouagh

Jack Trades posted:

I did?

The bit you're ignoring here is the part in the next post where I clarify that I don't think you should be able to roll over a duo without being quite a bit better than them, but that the way healing works in overwatch(very strong and consistent) makes the gunplay feel bad because every fight becomes a sisyphean ordeal if you don't immediately end it. This is something that isn't normal in other FPS games, despite many many games also making it very hard to win a 2v1.

On a slightly different but still related note, one of the things OW should absolutely have copied from tf2 but didn't is the healing ramp, where healing is only fast after the healing target has spent some time not taking damage. It's a genius mechanic in general and in particular it's really good at incentivizing players to take cover and not expect to tank through damage with heals, which is a lesson that most lower rank OW players have struggled with through the game's entire lifespan.

# ¿ Jul 22, 2023 07:43

LazyMaybe: Aug 18, 2013; oouagh

socialsecurity posted:

TF2 have some sort of queue system now instead of servers?

It's had matchmaking for a long time, it's just that it's matchmaking you onto servers and you can edit the matchmaking options to choose what maps it can join into. And then once you're on a server at the end of each game it calls a vote between 3 different maps for what to play next(I think one of these is always the map you just played, so the players can keep playing harvest or whatever over and over if they want).

# ¿ Oct 31, 2023 10:17

LazyMaybe: Aug 18, 2013; oouagh

Yeah, in tf2 you can start a match with like 4 vs 6 players and it's fine because it will generally fill up to at least 10 vs 10 within like a minute or two.

Nevertheless, letting players pick maps is a strong avenue towards happy players.

# ¿ Oct 31, 2023 11:09

LazyMaybe: Aug 18, 2013; oouagh

Rawrbomb posted:

I know you're just being a jerk here, but I did qualify my too high statement. I would prefer 15, over 20, but I cannot fault them for 20, when every other game like it is charging more, not less.

the frog has been fully loving boiled and it is loving it

# ¿ Nov 2, 2023 00:04

LazyMaybe: Aug 18, 2013; oouagh

BabyRyoga posted:

The concept itself is far from stupid,

paying anything more than like $5 for a skin will always be extremely stupid actually

# ¿ Nov 2, 2023 09:22

LazyMaybe: Aug 18, 2013; oouagh

toadee posted:

To most people $15-20 is perfectly normal and acceptable for a skin.

I don't believe you

# ¿ Nov 2, 2023 16:43

LazyMaybe: Aug 18, 2013; oouagh

OWL is officially dead

# ¿ Nov 9, 2023 15:59

LazyMaybe: Aug 18, 2013; oouagh

novaSphere posted:

There is almost no chance we'll ever see the rest of the story missions at this point.

well what the gently caress else is new

# ¿ Jan 26, 2024 17:53

LazyMaybe: Aug 18, 2013; oouagh

pharah changes seem good if nothing else

# ¿ Feb 14, 2024 21:47

LazyMaybe: Aug 18, 2013; oouagh

a nice subtle change to pharah's gameplan now is that she can use conc more aggressively/against enemies more, because since she has a dedicated dash ability now she doesn't need to use conc to get into position

# ¿ Feb 18, 2024 01:10

LazyMaybe: Aug 18, 2013; oouagh

https://twitter.com/JustinGroot3/status/1764253890302894466

# ¿ Mar 4, 2024 19:28

LazyMaybe: Aug 18, 2013; oouagh

does Overwatch now just exist as a vehicle(no pun intended) for ads and references

# ¿ Mar 14, 2024 22:04

LazyMaybe: Aug 18, 2013; oouagh

Gravitas Shortfall posted:

PVE missions were supposed to be released every 18 months

if it even came to be, what a miserable awful release schedule. just did a couple missions, time to wait another year and a half

# ¿ Mar 19, 2024 08:28

LazyMaybe: Aug 18, 2013; oouagh

I think it sort of depends on your psychology, some people genuinely like grinding battlepasses and want an excuse to play a game.
For probably a larger amount of people, burnout happens like 30-50% of the way through a pass.

# ¿ Mar 19, 2024 22:46

LazyMaybe: Aug 18, 2013; oouagh

that one nameless lady with an omnic bf in the widowmaker vs tracer cinematic. but also what're you talking about wrt Dva

# ¿ Mar 25, 2024 23:58

LazyMaybe: Aug 18, 2013; oouagh

dopesilly posted:

Yet another uninspired generic character that very few people can actually relate to added to the roster KIDS LIKE MINING RIGHT? MINECRAFT? DEEP ROCK GALACTIC?...cool dude sick idea

I am a fulltime overwatch hater and this is a nonsense complaint. big drills are cool

# ¿ Mar 27, 2024 22:32

LazyMaybe: Aug 18, 2013; oouagh

Would not be surprised if this has happened due to the people who would normally look over this stuff manually getting laid off, leading to a blanket ban where they just automatically ban for X amount of profanity regardless of context.

# ¿ Apr 18, 2024 12:04

LazyMaybe: Aug 18, 2013; oouagh

Ok, but it's a temporary for-fun event. It's not meant to be "serious" in the first place.

# ¿ Apr 30, 2024 04:19

LazyMaybe: Aug 18, 2013; oouagh

I'll tell you one thing, if I ever made a hero/class FPS there is 0% chance that I'd include tanks

# ¿ May 3, 2024 04:24

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# ¿ May 13, 2024 03:47

LazyMaybe: Aug 18, 2013; oouagh

Vermain posted:

considering their balance solution to the predominance of dive comps was to put brigitte in the game, it's perhaps better that they didn't

I never really minded Brigette and definitely would not have minded a hero that specifically hard countered double shield.

# ¿ May 5, 2024 05:42

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