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| Shohei Ohtani |
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50 | 59.52% |
| Aaron Judge |
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19 | 22.62% |
| Hey, the national league has an MVP too you know! |
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15 | 17.86% |
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STAC Goat posted:Its possible to be anti nazi and still an rear end in a top hat. That's a big online problem these days where so many people seem to see everything as black and white so like if you support X or oppose Y then you must be a good guy regardless of all the other bad poo poo. That is a real world thing, not just an online thing. I could see Correa ending up on the Angels depending on who buys them
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Oct 14, 2022 13:18
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I don't know if there is a "fair" trade partner for Ohtani, much like how it was for Soto. You either just end up accepting the best offer cause you are going to move him or say no and hold onto him
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Oct 18, 2022 20:08
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maffew buildings posted:can't wait until the A's trade the entire roster and field a AA team next year hell yeah That's more or less what they did this year
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Oct 18, 2022 23:47
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He's going into his Age 33 season coming off back to back seasons ending in hip and then wrist surgery, so I wouldn't expect much
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Oct 20, 2022 18:58
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Forrest on Fire posted:They should be spending more, every team should be running at least a $200 million payroll. The Yankees shouldn't ever be below $400 million A good example of this is them not wanting to pick up what was left of Verlanders deal when he got traded by Detroit, and then only offering him a one year deal this off season. Both times it was a need and would have made a difference They also wanted Nolan Arenado but didn't pull the trigger on him because of the luxury tax. The Cardinals ended up getting him for basically nothing and got money from the Rockies. They didn't even talk to Bryce Harper because they had old rear end Brett Gardner and Aaron Hicks on the roster and were worried about having to pay Torres and Andujar later down the line 
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Oct 26, 2022 15:44
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Red posted:Should the Rockies just up and build a domed stadium? Yes but also no because huge dingers
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Oct 26, 2022 17:18
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davecrazy posted:https://twitter.com/martinonyc/status/1585286837089837057?s=20&t=BaIeKmR4HxzYZCRyym9_pA This one doesn't pass the smell test posted:The gap between industry and fan perceptions of Cashman and Boone is particularly striking. Rivals consider Cashman one of the greatest executives in sports, and say that Boone will immediately become a coveted free agent if the Yankees fire him. Other GMs and agents are genuinely baffled by fan hate toward those two.
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Oct 26, 2022 19:32
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Cashman is really good at fleecing other GM's for relievers, but when it comes to making deals he SHOULD make for top talent he always balks at the price and trades for an obvious lesser pitcher who doesn't really make a difference or they end up sucking rear end like Sonny Gray and JA Happ, OR they don't want to bump the luxury tax to get someone. The only reason they ended up with Stanton is because he basically forced himself there by saying he didn't want to play for the Cardinals and Miami is paying part of his salary Ace Jameson posted:As a neutral observer I'd be pretty annoyed as Yankee fan, having watched them squander Judge's prime by surrounding him with castoffs. Relying on Matt Carpenter, Aaron Hicks and Josh Donaldson in the year 2022 is pretty weak for a franchise like that. Hicks is another one that has to go too, but he is Cashmans guy. The trade they got him in was a good trade, but then Cashman got greedy and gave him a big extension thinking he was going to keep being a 125 OPS+ bat playing CF and well.. Nodoze fucked around with this message at 20:01 on Oct 26, 2022 |
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Oct 26, 2022 19:54
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STAC Goat posted:I mean they should. Luck certainly has more to do with it than God who is often the first guy they thank. IKF in a vacuum was fine. They believe in the two kids they have and they didn't want to commit long term at the position and block them, that's good. Sticking with him all year ehhh maybe not. Benching and unbenching him in the playoffs, and you can blame that on Boone I guess, was real stupid. Donaldson was dumb and always dumb IMO, and circles back to not getting Arenado when they could have. Now they are stuck paying 42 million for Donaldson to suck rear end, missed out on Arenado who is a difference maker, and still don't have a 3rd baseman.
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Oct 26, 2022 21:55
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STAC Goat posted:They've still got DJ LeMahieu who probably should just stop being the super sub especially with Cabrera on the roster now. Obviously his health is a concern and something has to be done with Donaldson either way. I think its safe to say that the Yankees got what they wanted from him defensively but hoped he wouldn't be so bad offensively. He really fell off a cliff this season. I don't think he showed enough to want to just say "give him a chance to rebound". He is afterall 36 (and an rear end in a top hat). Maybe you could put him on the bench as backup for DJLM and see how it goes. And to some extent I'd prefer just a stable 3B, moving past Donaldson, and finding space for DJLM at 2B/1B. But there's a lot of moving parts. I wouldn't be surprised if Donaldson gets shopped though as Cashman loves trying to find hidden gems. Donaldson as a bench player would be tying up a lot of money for a team that doesn't really want to go over the luxury tax. Playing DJ at 3rd is fine, assuming he can healthy anyway
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Oct 26, 2022 22:10
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Benintendi was still a better trade than Gallo though
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Oct 27, 2022 13:12
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Red posted:To be fair, Bobby Abreu was really, really good Yeah and very under appreciated
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Oct 31, 2022 17:32
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:I loved Abreu back in the day, but in the case of two all-bat RF, the fact that the WAR algorithm says the guy who hit 600 dingers is less valuable sure is something Abreu was a much better hitter except at hitting dingers
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Oct 31, 2022 17:42
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Jose Guillen 6.4/214 Deron Johnson 6.3/245 Dante Bichette: 5.7/274
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Oct 31, 2022 18:59
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I expected Neifi Perez to have a negative WAR and surprisingly he does not
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Oct 31, 2022 19:23
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Red posted:Playing in Colorado made his offensive numbers not awful, and he was always slightly above average at defense, apparently. That's super confusing, because I remember him being terrible at every facet of baseball. He was terrible. He barely hit in one of the greatest offensive environments ever
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Oct 31, 2022 19:45
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It's a pretty whatever deal. Diaz is only a year removed from being a middle of the road reliver, and isn't really consistent year to year either. Paying a reliever like that, even a good one, is like paying a running back a huge contract. Yeah the Mets have the money but it's a bad allocation of resources
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Nov 7, 2022 15:00
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See, the Astros are bad for baseball
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Nov 9, 2022 15:46
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Verlander strikes me as one of those signings where if he goes somewhere else he'll be good still and everyone will go Cashman  , but if he comes to NY he'll pitch like Clemens did that first year after he came over from Toronto
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Nov 10, 2022 16:51
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Choi is being out of the division is worth like 2 wins on it's own to the Yankees
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Nov 11, 2022 00:18
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They might try and move Gleyber for a pitcher and play DJ at 2nd. They do still need an outfielder too, and the rumor is they like Yoshida. I'd be down with that as they definitely need more contact in the lineup if he got posted and wants to play there
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Nov 16, 2022 02:12
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Good Dog posted:Goons shouted 'gently caress the angels' throughout all of the 00s because they won a shitload of games and now they shout 'gently caress the angels' because they lose a shitload of games. gently caress the Angels was born out of those teams beating everyone with the original Cardinals bullshit magic, Jered Weaver and John Lackey being huge assholes, and the team just rolling over for the Red Sox all the time cause no one liked them either. Mike Scioscia was also kind of a tool if I am remembering right
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Nov 19, 2022 12:42
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Helton should absolutely be in the HoF
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Nov 21, 2022 18:21
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Mlb.tv is great and even though everyone bitches about blackouts there is unfortunately not much they can do it about it now I think. I'm sure lifting them and dealing with all the individual RSNs contracts and such would be a significant headache and also probably require payouts or re-working of contracts and that isn't something I can see happening
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Dec 1, 2022 00:48
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zoux posted:https://twitter.com/BSmile/status/1598358994891915264 He definitely went back to the dugout after that inning and lit up a cigar
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Dec 1, 2022 19:43
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That's a crazy deal for deGrom and not where I expected him to end up
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Dec 3, 2022 13:22
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Voting for Jimmy Rollins lmao
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Dec 3, 2022 17:08
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mcmagic posted:lol OK but even then that is debatable.... Bonds did a little light domestic violence, right? In all that time it is possible, maybe unlikely but still possible, Bonds has cleaned his act up. I can't remember the last time I heard anything about him besides that he rides his bicycle a lot. Schilling we know for sure is still a giant shitbag, and he's done nothing but double and triple down on it every chance he gets.
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Dec 5, 2022 17:19
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Pitchers back then were throwing way more than 166 innings, so they would probably knock him for that e: Don Drysdale threw 314 innings in 1962 when he won the Cy Young. Best he ever finished was 5th in MVP voting going 25-9 with a 2.83 ERA over 314 innings, and 23-12 with a 2.77 ERA over 308 innings in 1965. No way they are giving Ohtani an MVP award pitching 166 innings Nodoze fucked around with this message at 18:12 on Dec 5, 2022 |
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Dec 5, 2022 18:07
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Johnny Bravo posted:Being an Asian player probably wouldn't help 60+ years ago either If we are ignoring the Angels suck then we can ignore that too if it even would have mattered. Black players were winning MVP awards in the 50's and 60s too
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Dec 5, 2022 18:17
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2 Years with a 3rd year option seems fine for Verlander? If he sucks then that probably won't kick in and if it does then it means he's probably been good for the contractbawfuls posted:what if Judge wasn't a Yankee? And this happened say, 5 years after Marris hit 61 so the record was pretty fresh. I understand what you are saying, but I do not think Ohtani is at all capable of throwing 240 innings
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Dec 5, 2022 18:23
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bawfuls posted:I think he is as capable of it as say Verlander is of throwing 300. That isn't fair to assume. You also can't say "well, back then he would have been able to do this" because if you want to make that argument how many dingers is Judge hitting? Taking their seasons as is, Ohtanis pitching is no where close to standing out for that time period
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Dec 5, 2022 18:30
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Verlander is FAR more likely to give you your moneys worth, or something close to it, on that deal vs what deGrom signed for. deGrom could easily end up like Strasburg and barely pitch due to injury given how things have gone recently
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Dec 5, 2022 18:34
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bawfuls posted:I disagree, because of how these different achievements have changed over time. Of course the guys throwing 600 innings were not the best. My point was in this argument you can't just assume that Ohtani would have little to no dropoff by pitching 240 innings back then while also saying Judge would just hit exactly what he did. If Ohtani is going to be able to do that because the competition is lower then Judge is probably going to do something approaching early 2000s Barry Bonds.
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Dec 5, 2022 18:43
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bawfuls posted:I'm more interested in "what would the mid-60's version of Ohtani's season looks like and how would people of the time received it in comparison to a similar Judge season?" Koufax won an MVP but it took him putting up a 10.7 fWAR and having an all time great pitching season. I think that's probably what it would have taken TBH. He finished 2nd in 66 with another 10+ WAR year, which sadly was the last year he ever pitched 
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Dec 5, 2022 18:56
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Philly not messing around
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Dec 5, 2022 20:41
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mcmagic posted:I was worried the Red Sox were going to replace Bogaerts with Turner. Red Sox want no part of spending that kind of money
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Dec 5, 2022 21:03
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Tommy Kahnle is still alive? I really thought he had just flamed out and wasn't pitching anymore
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Dec 6, 2022 17:58
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Yankees should be all over Yoshida
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Dec 6, 2022 19:29
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3 years for Heaney is WILD
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Dec 6, 2022 20:18
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