MLB Offseason: It's All About the Positions He Doesn't Play

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Who's your 2022 MVP? This poll is closed.
Shohei Ohtani	50	59.52%
Aaron Judge	19	22.62%
Hey, the national league has an MVP too you know!	15	17.86%
Total:	84 votes

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mcmagic: Jul 1, 2004; If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!

The 2022 Rays have to be the worst offensive playoff team ever.

# ¿ Oct 8, 2022 19:45

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# ¿ May 14, 2024 03:28

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The rays and guards both suck. If the Yankees lose to them that would be pretty pathetic.

# ¿ Oct 8, 2022 22:38

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Picture of buffet that has been ravaged by Rays fans:

# ¿ Oct 9, 2022 02:01

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FizFashizzle posted:

I hope his inevitable TJ season doesn�t count in this.

It's a complete steal even if he misses a season.

# ¿ Oct 11, 2022 00:00

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https://twitter.com/martinonyc/status/1579533014593593346

I don't get this. Eppler isn't a good GM.

# ¿ Oct 11, 2022 02:07

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Hand Knit posted:

https://twitter.com/ThomasHall85/status/1579898703368060928?s=20&t=3QMDUfjhmvWpGV700wUIYg

Sounds like another rotation spot opened up. Unfortunate to lose Stripling but should be survivable easily enough.

Huh? He's 32 years old and just had his first year that wasn't absolute poo poo in like 5 years with like a 2.7WAR and less than 7.5 k9? Someone is gonna give that guy a big contract?

# ¿ Oct 12, 2022 22:31

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lol if you look at some of the garbage that got 15-20 AAV last offseason maybe that isn't that crazy but if you're the one paying him that it's not likely to work out.

# ¿ Oct 12, 2022 23:08

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thehoodie posted:

correa seems like a weenie

Well he's a cheater....

# ¿ Oct 13, 2022 17:33

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Lots of FA's hoping the Yankees lose Judge and panic.

# ¿ Oct 13, 2022 18:16

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LOL @ judge only getting 20% of this thread. You guys are dumb.

# ¿ Oct 15, 2022 23:18

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"No the guy worth 2 less wins is actually better"

- SAS

# ¿ Oct 15, 2022 23:36

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ilmucche posted:

how much is the guy plus the extra roster spot worth though?

We had this argument before. The 27th man on the roster is likely worthless, typically literally a negative WAR player.

# ¿ Oct 16, 2022 03:25

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The Dodgers are becoming Yankee level playoff gaggers.

# ¿ Oct 16, 2022 14:15

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Johnny Bravo posted:

https://mobile.twitter.com/joonlee/status/1582389246509260803

me too shohei

If Judge walks I wonder if Cashman will try to do this or will he continue to prospect hug.

# ¿ Oct 18, 2022 17:34

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Red posted:

Is Anaheim anywhere close to contending? I have no idea if their winning streak earlier this year was legit or just luck/schedule.

They aren't close at all.

# ¿ Oct 18, 2022 17:37

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Popete posted:

Would be a big upgrade for the Yankees to pick up a x2 MVP.

He's not wining it this year. Thankfully the writers aren't as anti yankee biased as SAS is.

# ¿ Oct 18, 2022 17:56

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Fate Accomplice posted:

come to Boston, Shohei

Could see this. IDK why he would ever want to live in Boston though.

# ¿ Oct 18, 2022 17:57

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Red posted:

Really? Between Trout and Ohtani, a few average starters should be enough to get them close to a wild card. Ward and Fletcher are good, too.

- Post from every year since 2018.

# ¿ Oct 18, 2022 18:08

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Big Mean Jerk posted:

ANTI-YANKEE BIAS!!!

It's the only reason 60% of the people on here think the guy with 2 less WAR should win the MVP over a guy who had the best season since Bonds.

# ¿ Oct 18, 2022 18:09

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maffew buildings posted:

lmao Ohtani from the jump said no to the Yankees but G*d bless special Yankees fans who cant comprehend someone wouldn't want to play there for their rational and not insane insufferable fans

I don't think that because he didn't want to go to the Yankees originally he wouldn't possibly come here at a later date. It's all conjecture at this point though.

maffew buildings posted:

Hmmm clearly the player with the most truly historic season ever being considered for MVP is an indicator of anti Yankees bias and not them being rational, it's hating dingers in pinstripes

The "most historic season ever" is 2 wins less valuable than what Judge did. So it's not the most historic season ever.

# ¿ Oct 18, 2022 18:23

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maffew buildings posted:

When the Yankees aren't on the screen everyone should be asking "where's the Yankees?"

Can't believe Ohtani is worth 2 less wins on a scale that can't actually quantify what he does why can't i measure temperature in pounds help please

You just don't want to use WAR because of "reasons" (it doesn't back up your opinion.) We already talked about the 27th roster spot being next to worthless.

# ¿ Oct 18, 2022 18:42

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Sydin posted:

Cubs should trade for Ohtani and also pick up Senga when he gets posted this offseason. Just bring in all the cool Japanese players.

The Angels would really be spitting in their fans' faces trading him inside the division.

# ¿ Oct 18, 2022 20:47

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Gorman Thomas posted:

Re Ohtani trade, I wouldn't be surprised if the Angels tried to package him with Rendon for a reduced prospect package. Looking at you Yankees...

Doubt Hal takes on that kinda money unless Judge walks.

# ¿ Oct 20, 2022 16:41

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The Yankees should let Judge walk tbh.

# ¿ Oct 24, 2022 06:08

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STAC Goat posted:

Oh joy. The off-season thread. Where I get to enjoy Astros fans trolling and mcmagic wanting to blow everything up. Nothings changed except my blood pressure.

They shoulda done what I wanted years ago.

# ¿ Oct 24, 2022 06:40

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STAC Goat posted:

Michael Kay is basically mcmagic.

Actually he's you. He does nothing but defend the Yankees' every move. It's just blatantly obvious to everyone now that they need to blow it up.

# ¿ Oct 25, 2022 00:16

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STAC Goat posted:

A gross misrepresentation as usual from you. I don�t defend every move the Yankees make. I just react to the over the top hate and behavior of fans like you.

What if I was just right?

# ¿ Oct 25, 2022 00:46

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If the Dodgers are really in on Judge there is no way the Yankees will outbid them.

# ¿ Oct 25, 2022 01:28

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Intruder posted:

https://twitter.com/Urshela10/status/1584530173202157569

I guess Gio decided to do a little trolling

Pretty healthy mix if fans who say they miss him and fans who are angry about it

He's a FAR better player than Donaldson but that isn't saying much.

# ¿ Oct 25, 2022 01:57

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Pungry posted:

Good news for 29 teams!

https://twitter.com/SInow/status/1585002018879438848

Loser second tier franchise.

# ¿ Oct 25, 2022 23:07

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MrMidnight posted:

lmao never change Yankees media

https://twitter.com/TalkinYanks/status/1584961738633580558?s=20&t=8rvhZYH5qRE7BuPha9A0bw

I hate all of this so much. Don't put loving Correa in a yankee uniform you loving fucks. Also the 40 year old Verlander who got bombed vs only decent lineup he pitched against in the playoffs.

# ¿ Oct 25, 2022 23:08

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KICK BAMA KICK posted:

Dansby actually makes a lot of sense for the Yankees doesn't he?

They aren't going to sign a SS.

# ¿ Oct 25, 2022 23:18

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ihatepants posted:

In 2024. They need to make sure they have a lovely defender with zero power or hitting talent hold the position all year first and give no opportunities to any rookies.

Volpe should be the starting SS in 2023.

# ¿ Oct 26, 2022 01:47

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The Yankees as they are currently run where they don�t spend like the other teams at their level of revenue will let Judge walk.

# ¿ Oct 26, 2022 03:45

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Johnny Bravo posted:

who will the Yankees sign to replace him? I'm thinking maybe Michael Conforto

They will sign a bunch of second tier players. That is what they do.

# ¿ Oct 26, 2022 04:12

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STAC Goat posted:

i will cry if Judge walks and while I may be fooling myself as a homer and I don't discount that he could leave I really do think it makes all the sense in the world from both sides for him to stay. And none of the mcmagic level misinformation can convince me otherwise. They offered him a big deal in April that would have killed any of the "they won't spend" arguments. They gambled he couldn't get more (and many of the posters here mocked him for thinking he could). He went and had a historic season and wrote himself into Yankee history books. Now the Yankees can't let him walk. Even if you believe some conspiracy theory that the first deal was all a bluff to say "we tried" and let him walk, he called their bluff and now you gotta pay.

The team with Judge on it isn�t close to good enough to even get to the World Series. In fact they were flat out bad for most of the year with him on it. Do you think it�s likely that they would pay Judge and then also do what is necessary to actually build a good team around him?

# ¿ Oct 26, 2022 04:45

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maffew buildings posted:

little known fact that 99 win teams are bad most of the year WOW

This is a dumb statement. When you watch every game you see what a team is. The Yankees had a unbelievable fluky 60ish game stretch that was fueled by incredible pitching both in the bullpen and the rotation that was unsustainable. Once that normalized in June the rest of the season was a .500 mediocre team that almost blew a 15 game lead and then shat all over the field in the playoffs like they always do.

# ¿ Oct 26, 2022 14:39

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Paracaidas posted:

Yankees opening day payroll rank in the past decade:
2022: 3rd
2021: 2nd
2020: 1st
2019: 3rd
2018: 7th
2017: 2nd
2016: 2nd
2015: 2nd
2014: 2nd
2013: 1st

Do payroll as a percentage of revenue now.

# ¿ Oct 26, 2022 15:02

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Paracaidas posted:

Learn something new every day, didn't realize baseball even had goalposts.

The Forbes estimates should never be used as a denominator given their systematic flaws in valuing for unique ancillary revenue schemes (Battery, SportsnetLA, etc), but we'll go with it and look at the 5 teams estimated to make $400m+ in revenues, noting the Yankees ($482m) are closer to Number 5 (Cubbies, $425m) on the list than Number 1 (Dodgers, $565m).

Yankees opening day payroll rank among the 5 clubs estimated to make $400m+ in revenue:
2022: 2nd
2021: 2nd
2020: 1st
2019: 3rd
2018: 4th
2017: 2nd
2016: 2nd
2015: 2nd
2014: 2nd
2013: 1st

Which makes it even more clear that the Yankees do spend as much or more than most teams at their level of revenue.

The point I've made here over and over again is that the yankees had a 200mm payroll 12 years ago. It clearly hasn't increased with the revenues. They are spending FAR less of a % of the revenue on the payroll as they used to. That is just a fact. They have used the luxury tax as a reason not to do player moves in a way the Steve Cohen Mets and the Dodgers just don't. Also their issue is clearly not just that they don't spend enough, they have done a terrible job allocating the money they do spend.

# ¿ Oct 26, 2022 17:20

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# ¿ May 14, 2024 03:28

mcmagic: Jul 1, 2004; If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!

Apparently Boone and Cashman's pals inside baseball love them? Big if true.

# ¿ Oct 26, 2022 18:29

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