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Mr. Apollo: Nov 8, 2000

Business Insider is reporting that Musk spoke with Putin before posting those polls. However. Musk denies he spoke directly with Putin.

https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-spoke-vladimir-putin-before-ukraine-peace-plan-report-2022-10

quote:

Tesla CEO Elon Musk spoke with Vladimir Putin before pitching his Ukraine peace plan on Twitter that repeated Kremlin talking points, political scientist says

Elon Musk reportedly met with Putin before tweeting a controversial poll on the Ukraine war.

Putin told Musk he was "prepared to negotiate" if certain conditions were met, according to Ian Bremmer.

Musk denied that he met with Putin before tweeting the poll.

Before tweeting a peace plan to end the war in Ukraine that parroted Russian demands, Elon Musk reportedly spoke privately with Russian President Vladimir Putin, according to a leading political analyst.

Eurasia Group founder and president Ian Bremmer in a Monday email to his organization's subscribers said that he spoke with Musk two weeks ago. At the time, Musk told Bremmer that Putin explicitly told him that he was "prepared to negotiate" under the conditions that Crimea remains under Russian control, that Ukraine remained neutral, and that Russia's annexations of Luhansk, Donetsk, Kherson, and Zaporizhzhia were enforced.

According to Bremmer, Putin told Musk that these were goals he'd accomplish "no matter what," or else he would turn to "major escalation."

Bremmer also said that Musk told him Putin said if Zelenskyy "invaded Crimea, Russia would retaliate with a nuclear strike on Ukraine," adding, "Elon said everything needed to be done to avoid that outcome."

Musk, however, denies that he spoke with Putin recently.

Last week, Musk shared a public poll pitching a plan to stop the war. Musk's proposal heavily favored Kremlin positions and his comments echoed Kremlin talking points, for which he was widely accused of amplifying Russian propaganda.

Putin has repeatedly and falsely claimed that Ukraine is not a real country, and has referred to Ukrainians and Russians as "one people." The Russian leader has employed a distorted view of history as one of many justifications for Russia's unprovoked invasion of Ukraine; Russia seized the Crimea peninsula, a key military base with direct Black Sea access, by force in 2014 and used that region earlier this year to invade Ukraine from the south.

The billionaire was harshly criticized for the tweet, including by Ukrainian officials and diplomats.

Musk has been outspoken about his increasing worries that the Ukraine-Russia conflict could escalate to nuclear levels, as Putin recently warned, and he has a front-row seat as the SpaceX CEO, which operates the Starlink satellite network that Ukraine is reliant on to link its forces and target Russian positions.

Elon Musk did not immediately respond to Insider's request for comment to confirm he met with Putin. But Musk in a tweet denied that he had spoken to Putin before tweeting the poll.

"I have spoken to Putin only once and that was about 18 months ago. The subject matter was space," Musk said.

# ¿ Oct 11, 2022 21:36

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# ¿ May 12, 2024 12:09

Mr. Apollo: Nov 8, 2000

cant cook creole bream posted:

I am assuming the mean "met with" in an indirect sense. I dint think Putin is expecting a lot of foreign visitors these days and it would be kind if obvious, if Musk took a sudden trip to Moscow.

I think he's being very deliberate with his words so he can claim later that he never lied or misled anyone. He didn't meet with Putin, he spoke with him. Or he never spoke with Putin, he spoke with his representative etc. It would be easy to issue a blanket denial but he didn't do that.

# ¿ Oct 11, 2022 21:49

Mr. Apollo: Nov 8, 2000

cant cook creole bream posted:

I meant the article itself. But yeah, I can totally see Musk going "I didn't meet Putin. *wink*"

Oh, right. Yes, I would assume that too but I think Musk is going for "technically correct".

# ¿ Oct 11, 2022 21:53

Mr. Apollo: Nov 8, 2000

Brave New World posted:

Most Americans here are likely well acquainted with this concept already, thanks primarily to a certain outlet you forgot to mention: The BBC. We also get DW and the Japanese NHK on our esoteric PBS stations.

and the CBC from Canada

# ¿ Oct 15, 2022 20:15

Mr. Apollo: Nov 8, 2000

I remember a few months ago when some UAF spokespeople were saying that we�d be seeing lots of Switchblade videos soon but I think I�ve only seen two or three. I also read on Telegram that they were difficult to control so that limited their effectiveness. UAF soldiers found off the shelf drones to be easier to use.

# ¿ Oct 16, 2022 23:10

Mr. Apollo: Nov 8, 2000

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-63280523

quote:

Ukraine war: Multiple explosions in Kyiv as Ukraine reports kamikaze drone strikes

At least three explosions have been heard in the Ukrainian capital Kyiv, after air raid sirens went off.

Mayor Vitalii Klitschko said residential buildings in the central Shevchenkivskiy area have been damaged.

Andriy Yermak, head of President Zelensky's office, said the attacks were from so-called kamikaze drones.

It comes a week after the capital was hit by several Russian missiles at rush hour, in a nationwide attack which left 19 dead.

The explosions happened at around 07:00 local time (04:00 GMT), said the BBC's Paul Adams, who is in the city.

Writing on the Telegram social media site, Mr Klitschko said they were in the Shevchenkivskiy district, which was hit by several strikes last week.

He said rescuers were on site, and told residents to stay in air raid shelters.

Russian President Vladimir Putin said the strikes last week were in retaliation for the bombing of a key bridge linking Russia to occupied Crimea, which he blamed on Ukraine.

It was the first time during the war that the centre of Kyiv had been directly targeted.

Earlier this week, Mr Putin said there was no need for more large-scale strikes on Ukraine.

Most designated targets had been hit, he said, adding that it was not his aim to destroy the country.

Mr. Apollo fucked around with this message at 05:39 on Oct 17, 2022

# ¿ Oct 17, 2022 05:23

Mr. Apollo: Nov 8, 2000

cinci zoo sniper posted:

https://twitter.com/gerashchenko_en/status/1581959594112262144

The Iranian drones seem more like the WW2 German V1 Buzzbombs where they're programmed with a preset course and then released and there's no way to change it or control them once they're released.

cinci zoo sniper posted:

Would like a rain check on something from the thread. Would there be interest in me doing more structure structured, regular summaries of the ongoing discourse? Say, around my morning coffee time, and a follow-up in the evening on the days when I have time for that?

I'd definitely be interested in something like that, if you have the time to spare of course.

# ¿ Oct 17, 2022 13:24

Mr. Apollo: Nov 8, 2000

Nenonen posted:

Not really, V-1's were just given a direction and flight time after which they would crash down and explode. Germans never knew what they would hit, if anything, unless they did a recon flight over London. These loitering munitions require the operator to control them until they see a target they want to hit. After it's locked to a target the drone goes into automatic mode to make radio jamming ineffective.

Ah, I didn't realize there was an operator. I thought they were just a "set it and forget it" type weapon.

# ¿ Oct 17, 2022 14:47

Mr. Apollo: Nov 8, 2000

Dunite posted:

Dropping of a missile from a wing pylon would be described as a weapon release.

"Weapon release" is how the BBC describes it.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-63327999

quote:

Russian jet released missile near RAF aircraft over Black Sea

A missile was released from a Russian aircraft near an unarmed RAF plane on patrol over the Black Sea, the defence secretary has said.

Ben Wallace said the "potentially dangerous" incident happened on 29 September in international airspace.

Russia said it was the result of a "technical malfunction".

UK patrols over the Black Sea were suspended but have now resumed and are escorted by a fighter jet following Russia's response.

Mr Wallace told MPs the UK was not treating the incident as a "deliberate escalation" by Russia but said it was a "reminder of quite how dangerous things can be when you choose to use your fighters in the manner that the Russians have done over many periods of time".

He was speaking in the Commons following his urgent trip to the US earlier this week where he discussed the security situation in Ukraine, including the threat of a nuclear attack, with his American counterpart.

The incident last month involved two Russian SU-27s and an unarmed RAF RC-135 Rivet Joint - a civilian-style aircraft.

Mr Wallace said that during an "interaction" one of the SU-27 aircraft "released a missile in the vicinity of the RAF Rivet Joint beyond visual range".

He said he expressed his concerns in a letter to the Russian defence minister.

The minister's reply on 10 October said an investigation had been conducted and found there had been a "technical malfunction" with the Russian plane, Mr Wallace said.

They also acknowledged the incident took place in international airspace, he added.

Mr Wallace suggested the Black Sea incident showed the Russian military were "not beyond making the wrong calculation or indeed deciding that the rules don't apply to them".

Luke Pollard, Labour's shadow defence minister, said: "This incident also acts as a serious reminder about the importance of avoiding escalation and miscalculation while continuing the UK's united support for Ukraine."

# ¿ Oct 20, 2022 15:59

Mr. Apollo: Nov 8, 2000

They left the lifting eyelets on them. Someone with a Jeep and a rope with a hook can probably remove them.

# ¿ Oct 22, 2022 00:41

Mr. Apollo: Nov 8, 2000

Could the Ukrainians use anti-tank missiles from a distance to take out the dragon�s teeth? Not a Javelin in NLAW, but something simple and cheaper like a M72.

# ¿ Oct 22, 2022 04:55

Mr. Apollo: Nov 8, 2000

looks like Germany is finally sending tanks

It�s a prop from a local WW2 historical reenactor group. It�s based off of an artillery towing vehicle.

https://twitter.com/justcake556/status/1584191362270101511

# ¿ Oct 23, 2022 20:47

Mr. Apollo: Nov 8, 2000

Eric Cantonese posted:

Were drones going into Ukraine being made at that base? I assume you're talking about this Israeli strike:

https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east...c7-1fb0384f0000

It hasn't been confirmed, but I'm wondering if that's what Iran was doing so they could keep claiming that no Iranian drones were being used in Ukraine, since they were technically manufactured in Syria.

# ¿ Oct 24, 2022 15:40

Mr. Apollo: Nov 8, 2000

Saladman posted:

Sorry for a kind of OT post, but probably other people have this issue: why do Twitter links show up with a full preview in my phone browser, but on my Mac they just show up as a bunch of bare hyperlinks? I�d have to independently click if I wanted to read them, which is inevitably a hassle and makes the thread way harder to read. I did some google searches and it turned up nothing, admittedly I couldn�t think of a good search term.

I have the same issue whenever I�m on a VPN. My work computer also has some filtering in place that prevents the tweet from embedding.

# ¿ Oct 26, 2022 23:02

Mr. Apollo: Nov 8, 2000

The multiple camera angles were pretty funny. Obviously they weren't too concerned about detection. It looks like there helicopters were in a storage facility and had minimal security.

# ¿ Oct 31, 2022 22:50

Mr. Apollo: Nov 8, 2000

Has there been any more news on the two Russian ships that Ukraine attacked with the remote control boats? I figured that if the damage to them was minimal to non-existent, Russia would be showing them off to counter the Ukrainian claims.

# ¿ Nov 2, 2022 05:46

Mr. Apollo: Nov 8, 2000

FishBulbia posted:

It's good. Officially, Poland views the killing of Poles in Galicia as an act of genocide and the UPA as a genocidal organization on the same level as Soviets and Nazis in terms of treatment of symbology, which has always created issues for some Ukrainians' free use of such symbols.

I wouldn�t be surprised if that�s something Poland brings up after this is all said and done. �Remember how much we supported you? We�d now like to ask a favor.�

Mr. Apollo fucked around with this message at 23:36 on Nov 12, 2022

# ¿ Nov 12, 2022 23:05

Mr. Apollo: Nov 8, 2000

Hasn't Russia and/or China gotten their hands on an export version of the Abrams via Iraq already?

# ¿ Nov 14, 2022 19:24

Mr. Apollo: Nov 8, 2000

Russia�s response to losing Kherson: cruise missile barrage at Kyiv.

https://twitter.com/elintnews/status/1592504576888172544?s=46&t=UCKcI7NF8aRcIUp7oflOAA

# ¿ Nov 15, 2022 14:36

Mr. Apollo: Nov 8, 2000

I think you�d have to get pretty deep into Clancychat territory to come up with a scenario where NATO decides it�s had enough and conducts direct strikes against Russia. NATO will issue angry statements, increase military readiness, etc. but that�ll be it.

Deteriorata posted:

https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1592733434182787073

So they know exactly what it's all about. They're just crafting an appropriate response.

I�m not surprised. I saw a clip on the news the other day where a news crew was on a NATO AWACS plan and the crew was talking about how they could track the missiles being launched by Russia, the air defense missiles being launched by Ukraine, and they could even occasionally track drones being used on the battlefield.

# ¿ Nov 16, 2022 06:03

Mr. Apollo: Nov 8, 2000

Wrong thread. Sorry about that.

Mr. Apollo fucked around with this message at 07:10 on Nov 18, 2022

# ¿ Nov 18, 2022 04:41

Mr. Apollo: Nov 8, 2000

WarpedLichen posted:

I do wonder how people can buy the idea that Euromaidan was a western backed coup. It really did seem to me that if Russia's response hadn't been so heavy handed from the start this ball really wouldn't have started rolling at all.

You�d be surprised. The usual suspects point to Euromaidan as being a �Western backed coup� and use it as justification for Russia�s invasion under the guise of either �restoring the democratically elected leader of Ukraine� (Zelenskyy is an imposter since his election happened after Euromaidan) or �removing a threat from their border� since all Ukrainian governments since Euromaidan are western puppets.

# ¿ Nov 20, 2022 08:52

Mr. Apollo: Nov 8, 2000

mllaneza posted:

That channel is a pro follow on YouTube, but oh my god Ryan, take a speaking class or something.

He�s why I stopped watching their videos.

With the amount of off the shelf and specialized drones being used in this war, I imagine that all new military vehicles will have to have some sort of counter drone technology or may even have their own drones that they can launch.

Will drones reduce the role of �in person� forward observers or reconnaissance groups?

Mr. Apollo fucked around with this message at 07:55 on Nov 24, 2022

# ¿ Nov 24, 2022 06:06

Mr. Apollo: Nov 8, 2000

Here's another security camera from an apartment block near Engels. At 0:15 you can hear the roar of a rocket or low flying jet engine. At 1:01 you hear the explosion.

https://twitter.com/markito0171/status/1599655782617751552?s=20&t=gyRqhfxe3BKYWmLDabgt2Q

# ¿ Dec 5, 2022 15:02

Mr. Apollo: Nov 8, 2000

Der Kyhe posted:

Is it possible to fleece money or construction materials out of this Russian government project by making them hollow? Listen to your heart, you know the answer.

(They are thin sheets of concrete held in place by a sheet metal teepee.)

Looks like they�re made of cement board over a thin metal frame. Cement board is what you typically use in showers instead of drywall as backing for tiles as it is moisture resistant.

# ¿ Dec 6, 2022 19:14

Mr. Apollo: Nov 8, 2000

A new Russian propaganda targeting those who fed Russia to avoid mobilization. "The boys have left but the men have stayed." It looks all those people leaving had an effect if the government felt that they had to address it.

https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1600487963783270400?s=20&t=KxP59n59gpxeDanqj1bDTw

# ¿ Dec 8, 2022 20:51

Mr. Apollo: Nov 8, 2000

CNN is reporting it now too. They don't say anything new but just reiterate that the trip might still be cancelled for security reasons and it probably won't be confirmed until the last possible minute.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/20/politics/volodymyr-zelensky-washington-dc-visit/index.html

# ¿ Dec 21, 2022 00:32

Mr. Apollo: Nov 8, 2000

Gervasius posted:

I guess he's travelling on US government plane from Poland and that would be REALLY BAD IDEA to gently caress with, especially over NATO member territory. Not even Putin is that dumb.

Conveniently, there is USAF Boeing 737 flying from Helsinki to Andrews AFB right now.

A USAF Boeing 737 just showed up that took off from Rzeszow airport in Poland which is right near the border with Ukraine. It's scheduled to land at Andrews AFB in about 90 minutes.

https://www.flightradar24.com/2e9bdc45

# ¿ Dec 21, 2022 16:35

Mr. Apollo: Nov 8, 2000

Volodymyr Yezhov, one of the developers of S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Clear Sky, was killed in Bakhmut.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=696zMTbrAFM

# ¿ Dec 29, 2022 06:59

Mr. Apollo: Nov 8, 2000

Apparently Finland and Poland have both said they are prepared to send some of their Leopard 2s to Ukraine if the EU approves it. Both countries have the 2A4 variant as their most numerous version.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/01/07/ukraine-russia-war-latest-putin-ceasefire-fighting-vehicles/

quote:

Poland joins Finland in backing sending Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine

Momentum is building to send Leopard tanks to Ukraine after Poland joined Finland in saying it stands ready to supply the heavy weapons in the fight against Russia.

Up until now Kyiv�s Western allies have rejected appeals for tanks, fearing they could escalate the war. But after donations of armoured vehicles last week by the US, France and Germany, attitudes appear to be changing.

On Satuday Poland's Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki said he could transfer Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine if a larger Leopard-coalition is formed, the Visegrad24 news channel reported.

"Poland has been trying for months to ensure that modern, heavy equipment, anti-aircraft, anti-missile equipment is delivered to Ukraine," his office said on Twitter.

It follows an earlier annoucement by Finland which said it is ready to supply tanks if Europe agrees to the move.

"If Europe starts giving tanks to Ukraine even an inch more, Finland should be involved. Of course, with our small contribution, because our own defense capability is always a priority for us as a border country with Russia," IndeAntti Hakkianen, chairman of the defense committee, was quoted by the Kyiv Independent as saying.

The tanks, which weigh around 60 tons, have the ability to engage moving targets while moving over rough terrain.

# ¿ Jan 7, 2023 21:23

Mr. Apollo: Nov 8, 2000

Pook Good Mook posted:

I thought the US just left all its Abrams in Iraq rather than ship them back stateside.

No, Iraq uses the Iraq specific M1A1M version.

# ¿ Jan 9, 2023 22:02

Mr. Apollo: Nov 8, 2000

The German Vice Chancellor says that Germany should not block other countries from distributing German technology to Ukraine.

https://www.politico.eu/article/poland-leopard-tank-ukraine-war-germany-vice-chancellor-robert-habeck/amp/

quote:

Germany should not stand in the way if Poland decides to send Leopard 2 battle tanks to Ukraine, Vice Chancellor Robert Habeck said Thursday, seemingly putting the ball in Warsaw�s court on supplying Kyiv with Western tanks.

quote:

�There is a difference between making a decision for oneself and preventing the decision of others,� said the vice chancellor, who also oversees arms export controls as economy minister. �And accordingly, Germany should not stand in the way when other countries make decisions to support Ukraine, regardless of what decision Germany makes.�

# ¿ Jan 13, 2023 06:23

Mr. Apollo: Nov 8, 2000

ShadowHawk posted:

It's a parody of old Chevy commercials

when I was a kid I thought they were saying �lager up� and I was confused as to why a car commercial would be singing about beer.

# ¿ Jan 13, 2023 07:49

Mr. Apollo: Nov 8, 2000

cinci zoo sniper posted:

A residential building in Dnipro struck during the Saturday mass airstrike. Casualties measuring in dozens dead and wounded, and still counting. https://www.ft.com/content/6d709080-edc3-420a-9133-a1953c0da05f Notably, this wave seems to have involved ballistic missiles (Iskander most likely) fired at Kyiv, beating air-raid warning to the punch. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/14/world/europe/the-saturday-attack-on-kyiv-appeared-to-best-the-air-raid-warning-system.html

One thing I�ve been wondering about with all these residential strikes, how is Russia selecting these buildings? It seems completely random. I�ve read some theories online that say that these buildings were all near legitimate targets and the missiles hit them due to poor quality guidance systems or that some high ranking UAF official lived there and this was an attempt to kill them. There have also been some more fringe theories that say that that the UAF is secretly using residential buildings as HQs so they�re legitimate targets. However, I would think that if the UAF was using them as HQs, that information would have leaked out a long time ago.

# ¿ Jan 15, 2023 20:13

Mr. Apollo: Nov 8, 2000

Mederlock posted:

Looks like it's basically an uparmoured Ford heavy duty Diesel truck. Even has a Ford dash!

It uses a Ford Super Duty frame, electronics, interior, and mechanicals. The body is custom made.

# ¿ Jan 19, 2023 06:18

Mr. Apollo: Nov 8, 2000

Canada is sending 4 Leopard 2A4s to Ukraine. We have 62 2A4s and 20 2A6s. However, only 20 tanks are operational. The rest are in various states of storage or maintenance.

https://globalnews.ca/news/9438332/canada-leopard-tanks-ukraine/

quote:

Canada will send Ukraine 4 Leopard battle tanks: defence minister

Ottawa will donate four of the Canadian Forces� Leopard 2A4 main battle tanks to Ukraine as Kyiv continues to defend itself against invading Russian forces.

National Defence Minister Anita Anand made the commitment on Thursday, ending the debate over whether Canada would ship battle tanks from its military stockpile to Ukraine.

Anand also said that Ottawa is providing trainers, spare parts and ammunition. She left open the possibility of sending more Leopards in the future.

The Leopards that the federal government is donating are among 112 currently owned by the Canadian Armed Forces, which includes 82 designed for combat.

�This donation, combined with the contributions of allies and partners, will significantly help the armed forces of Ukraine as they fight heroically to defend their nation�s freedom and sovereignty,� Anand said.

�These heavily armoured and highly protected vehicles provide soldiers with a tactical advantage on the battlefield. Thanks to their excellent mobility, their firepower and their survivability, these tanks will allow Ukraine to liberate even more of its territory and defend its people from Russia�s brutal invasion.�

Anand added the tanks will be sent to Ukraine in the �coming weeks,� and that they are �combat-ready.�

U.S. President Joe Biden said Thursday the U.S. will send 31 M1 Abrams battle tanks to Ukraine, reversing months of persistent arguments by Washington that the tanks were too difficult for Ukrainian troops to operate and maintain.

The U.S. decision follows Germany�s move to send 14 Leopard 2 A6 tanks from its own stocks. Germany had said the Leopards would not be sent unless the U.S. put its Abrams on the table, not wanting to incur Russia�s wrath without the U.S. similarly committing its own tanks.

READ MORE: Russia unleashes missiles on Kyiv after Ukraine secures western tanks

�This is the result of intensive consultations, once again, with our allies and international partners,� Chancellor Olaf Scholz told German lawmakers. �It was right and it is important that we didn�t let ourselves be driven (into making the decision).�

Biden said European allies have agreed to send enough tanks to equip two Ukrainian tank battalions or a total of 62 tanks.

�With spring approaching, Ukrainian forces are working to defend the territory they hold and preparing for additional counter offences,� Biden said. �To liberate their land, they need to be able to counter Russia�s evolving tactics and strategy on the battlefield in the very near term.�

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy expressed satisfaction at the news. Several European countries have equipped their armies with Leopard 2 tanks, and Germany�s announcement means they can give some of their stocks to Ukraine.

# ¿ Jan 26, 2023 19:07

Mr. Apollo: Nov 8, 2000

cinci zoo sniper posted:

Small housekeeping update for the thread � I have resigned from being a D&D moderator.

I�m sorry to see you go as I think you did a great job. However, I understand the amount of time the job takes up and the unnecessary stress it puts on people.

# ¿ Jan 28, 2023 18:06

Mr. Apollo: Nov 8, 2000

SpaceX confirms they have sometimes blocked Ukrainian access to Starlink.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/09/politics/spacex-ukrainian-troops-satellite-technology/index.html

quote:

Speaking with reporters after, Shotwell argued that Starlink had sent units to Ukraine to �keep the banks going, hospitals, keep families connected.�

�We know the military is using them for comms, and that�s OK,� Shotwell added. �But our intent was never to have them use it for offensive purposes.�

Seems a bit silly to act shocked that a country currently involved in a war would use communication devices during offensive operations. I guess Elon was really upset about the reaction to his Twitter poll "peace plans".

# ¿ Feb 9, 2023 18:58

Mr. Apollo: Nov 8, 2000

Szarrukin posted:

there's no better time to depart Poland than 9:37 PM

Is this a JPII reference?

# ¿ Feb 21, 2023 01:21

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# ¿ May 12, 2024 12:09

Mr. Apollo: Nov 8, 2000

Poland and Slovakia are talking about sending their MiG-29s to Ukraine again:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/03/09/are-slovakia-and-poland-finally-serious-about-giving-ukraine-their-old-mig-29s

https://news.yahoo.com/poland-prepared-transfer-remaining-mig-233300076.html

Duda said in an interview the other day that Poland is ready to send it's MiGs to Ukraine "as part of a broader coalition". Today the Slovakian defense minister said that "it's time to make a decision" on sending MiGs as they could really help Ukraine.

Ukraine for its part has said that it's main priority right now is artillery and artillery shells.

# ¿ Mar 10, 2023 22:54

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