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Elyv posted:Perun is great. he's got some excellent videos about driving back an invasion of mind controlling extraterrestrials and their collaborators, and also he did a couple about Terra Invicta (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Ynglaur posted:If India and China want to be seen as global leaders, they need to start having opinions on questions such as "should one country genocide another country". I don't think you really want to hear Modi's opinion on genocide
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I mean if you want to know what a fair democratic independence referendum looks like, the best example I can think of is Brexit . . .and even that was deeply influenced by Russian influence campaigns. Maybe Irish or Scottish independence? surely there's some level of actual, if in the case of Brexit very stupid, popular support where Russia supporting a thing doesn't mean it's illegitimate If Putin had limited his land grab to Crimea, it's possible-to-likely it would have stuck. Support for joining Russia was genuinely reasonably high, Sevastopol was something that in practical terms Russia was never going to willingly lose, and in general it would be a whole hassle for uncertain gain. Unfortunately, Putin decided he also wanted a big chunk of SE Ukraine and/or to ruin it as a demonstration to other nations in the Russian sphere, and also at some point lost the plot and decided Ukraine isn't a real nation and needs to be Russified.
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By extension, if Russia does lose Crimea (which I'm still not sold on but has become significantly more likely), it is entirely because they were boneheaded enough to do all the other horrible things and start this war.
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Nenonen posted:Besides that, Sevastopol was a huge Russian naval base inside Ukraine, so any polls have to be viewed through the prism of "did people speculate in their responses if the city would just die economically if Russia eventually withdrew" as well as "did Russia spend hundreds of millions of rubles to influence the public opinion to be favourable to Russia". I mean yeah, that's why self determination of Crimea pre-2022 is an interesting test case for me, particularly to compare against Brexit / Scoxit / Rojava / northern Sri Lanka (don't get me started  )/ what have you. It's clearly either close to or over the "actually, no" line but it helps me try and calibrate my thoughts on other examples.
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Belteshazzar posted:One simple issue is that in order to buy political ads or pay off stooges in the media you need to get money out of Russia and into the target country and that's been harder to do since sanctions largely cut off access to Russian banks early in the invasion. I hadn't actually heard that take before, I'm sure it's not the majorest reason (other posters have made good arguments) but it certainly seems like a plausible contribution.
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Arzachel posted:What about the self-determination of the Crimean people who fled the invasion or got ethnically cleansed in the 8 years since I'd actually be curious what the numbers on those are, but I suspect the answer is "gently caress if we know, partly because there's no reason for the Russian administration to evaluate or accurately report those numbers". Maybe some human rights org did a study? It's been almost a decade. also to my understanding very few Tatars emigrated and their approval of Russia is very low; they're not exactly a majority, due to Russian actions over the last couple centuries, which is why they're getting hosed with yet again one assumes you were talking more about non-tatar anti-russian crimean Ukrainians, and I don't really know beans about that demographic Goatse James Bond fucked around with this message at 01:26 on Oct 15, 2022 |
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spacetoaster posted:My personal experience having a home in Crimea (parents and siblings still live there) is that the Tatars were coming back, slowly, before the Russian vote was held. There were small Tatar villages around the area, mosques, and schools. oh that's interesting, and a bummer
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thanks for the numbers post e: also looks like i was terribly wrong on the tatars Goatse James Bond fucked around with this message at 03:02 on Oct 15, 2022 |
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the popes toes posted:For connoisseurs of Ukraine's historical complexity: while this is an excellent essay i cannot restrain myself from a quibble, and in fairness, this is dnd quote:In my office I have a printed edition of a kitab, a Crimean Tatar prayer book from the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, using Arabic script, but in a Polish-Belarusian language with Turkish phrases. Its first words, enticingly, are "This is the key to heaven." It bespeaks a coherent Crimean Tatar culture that endured for centuries extended well beyond the borders of the Crimean Khanate itself. kitab literally means book  otoh it's a very solid point outside of the amusing linguistic error
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Family Values posted:'In my office I have a printed edition of a book, a Crimean Tatar prayer book...' eh, not worth squabbling about i suppose
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