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Mr. Apollo posted:I think he's being very deliberate with his words so he can claim later that he never lied or misled anyone. He didn't meet with Putin, he spoke with him. Or he never spoke with Putin, he spoke with his representative etc. It would be easy to issue a blanket denial but he didn't do that. On the exact same lies, this clinches it imo: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1579946607151546368?s=20&t=Zy7zcvctSzUDbOgXVGOdeg Atreiden posted:Unrelated, a DPR representative makes it clear that Russia is planning a genocide. Stating your willingness to exterminate millions of people and calling Zelensky "Hitler 2.0" in the same breath without even a flicker of self-awareness is really something.
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Considering both NATO and the US remain committed to strategic ambiguity I'm not sure what to make of this statement of Borrell's. https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1580566530923716608?s=20&t=SwBMuwbws1JnHm_oEnTn_A FWIW he's hawkish on Ukraine and prone to jumping the gun so who knows. https://twitter.com/shashj/status/1498035551168983043?s=20&t=6uKC7GRMpE5p3GfOq7vRjA Stoltenberg has reiterated NATO's position as late as today btw: ""There would be severe consequences if Russia used nuclear weapons, any kind of nuclear weapon against Ukraine," Jens Stoltenberg told a news conference after a meeting of NATO defence ministers. "We will not go into exactly how we will respond, but this will fundamentally change the nature of the conflict. It means that a very important line has been crossed," he said, referring to the war in Ukraine that followed Russia's invasion of the country. He said the fundamental purpose of NATO's nuclear deterrent was to preserve peace and prevent coercion against its allies, and so the circumstances under which it might have to use nuclear weapons were "extremely remote"" https://www.reuters.com/world/nato-chief-circumstances-nato-use-nuclear-weapons-extremely-remote-2022-10-13/ Between Macron's latest statements today maybe it's just a case of internal EU tensions between hawks and doves spilling out? https://twitter.com/EmmanuelMacron/status/1580505003714048001?s=20&t=g14yyk2NZA4i8bFWhxhZMQ https://twitter.com/nukestrat/status/1580538680040513536?s=20&t=6uKC7GRMpE5p3GfOq7vRjA https://twitter.com/EHunterChristie/status/1580566735228268549?s=20&t=_yjqw5P1hV4aWm2VOx_CIg
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Borrell also jumped the shark on jet delivery that didn’t happen, way back, so I think this mainly hot air from him, or some Brussels palace drama backblast, as you suggest. I certainly hope so. Even if that was actual US/NATO policy; saying so publicly would potentially create a commitment trap and reduce political maneuverability and avenues of potential de-escalation. Which, to my mind, speaks to it just being Borell doing some off-the-cuff wishful thinking with his head up his rear end. There are a ton of good reasons Biden, Sullivan, Stoltenberg et al have been fastidiously observing strategic ambiguity on potential responses to such a scenario. Context seems to strengthen the case that he was simply misspeaking/getting ahead of himself: https://twitter.com/laurnorman/status/1580620555660599296?s=20&t=ReW8GfV4FnS5ZLvKS1PmCQ PerilPastry fucked around with this message at 19:30 on Oct 13, 2022 |
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Charlotte Hornets posted:https://ria.ru/20221014/mobilizatsiya-1824084115.html He also said this. Looks like he's trying to pull his old trick of positioning himself as a moderate voice of reason amenable to compromise despite the fact that his opening position is going to be completely unpalatable to Ukraine (acknowledging the annexation of Donbass is a non-starter). Which I guess is basically doubling down on the talking point that it was the Ukrainians who completely unreasonably abandoned the diplomatic track despite the progress supposedly made during the Istanbul negotiations. Doubt anyone is going to bite. https://twitter.com/ABarbashin/status/1580918003608100864?s=20&t=8vxa40gnPQ_DFg5Z4hjRjQ https://twitter.com/ABarbashin/status/1580886171739381762?s=20&t=xgMinf_ab_sl06Zg01K4Wg
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if I was the deputy head of the Kherson Military-Civilian Administration I probably would *not* do a poetry slam lampshading the illegitimacy of the referendums and the absurdity of Russia's imperial ambitions https://twitter.com/felix_light/status/1582308673342537728?s=20&t=dcpzkS9JJyh90iXlqQNRzQ https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1582280779669069824?s=20&t=DRZOtpohqUYViBgyzIEdJg "A platypus is snuffling in a pond!" cinci zoo sniper posted:Our national media are citing Expressen as reporting that at least 50 metres of pipeline have been destroyed.
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Willo567 posted:They don't mean it. They're just trying to act tough like they always do. I also remember hearing them say poo poo like that months ago Proof is in the pudding, and, yeah, thankfully deterrence is working successfully so far to disincentivize direct conflict. Sure, that means guardrails are imposed on western involvement but otoh, whatever the rhetoric, Russia isn't hitting NATO supplies in Poland either. But on the rhetoric point, most public statements have actually been comparatively anodyne lately, as there seems to have been a focus on bringing critical voices like Kadyrov to heel and reestablishing control of the public discourse after the hit on Kerch. https://twitter.com/pwnallthethings/status/1580993243537641472?s=20&t=z9w4OgywFZJyy4SZhMci7w https://twitter.com/pwnallthethings/status/1580997398372921345?s=20&t=vqBQebYl25hDAtdUOA-QNA
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