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The 2022 Wrestling observer Hall of Fame ballots are out and it's time to talk about who you think should go in. Some changes this year as you can vote for up to 15 people on the ballot, but only up to a maximum of 5 per category. To get in you have to receive 60% of the votes per region (Regions are US/Canada, Japan, Mexico, Rest of the World, Non-Wrestlers and Historical). To qualify you have to be over 35 years old and have 10 years in the business. To stay on the ballot you need to get 10% of the votes and if your on the ballot for 15 years + you need to get 50% or you get booted off. This years ballot - https://twitter.com/allan_cheapshot/status/1581200684716011521 The theme for this year seems to be Tag Teams as we have a bunch on the ballot and the voting change done in part to get some of the more famous teams in, especially if the team already has one guy in the hall. Teams like the Holy Demon Army (Taue/Kawada) and Steamboat/Youngblood seem to benefit from this change as before Dave seem reluctant to have guys enter the hall twice while in a tag team. The US ballot is again the most interesting as we have a lot of WWE guys who are borderline but just don't seem to be hall worthy for a variety of reason with Becky Lynch probably having the best case. And than we have CM Punk who probably would of made it in if he didn't decide to vent his frustrations in the post All Out Press conference Anyway discuss and debate who you think should go in!
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Oct 15, 2022 22:38
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I think the biggest story with the HoF in recent years is how the voting base has exploded in size and really changed things. There will always people be voting who probably shouldn't be, but it really seems like ballots are going to people who shouldn't get them. An example of how much the pool has expanded came up recently. https://twitter.com/WONHOFTracker/status/1574558054988775442 https://twitter.com/WONHOFTracker/status/1574569454109097984
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Oct 15, 2022 23:10
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Dave seem to want to avoid the pitfalls other halls have with keeping a stagnant voter pool which I get but yeah, that does seem like the pool has grown way to much
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Oct 15, 2022 23:23
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One of the major problems with the expanded voting pool is that not everyone uses their full amount of votes distorting the percentages. Meltzer should make full ballot voting compulsory. (Maybe reduce the amount of votes from ten to compensate). Some sicko is probably a voter but not putting anyone on their ballot.
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Oct 15, 2022 23:23
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fez_machine posted:One of the major problems with the expanded voting pool is that not everyone uses their full amount of votes distorting the percentages. See while I could see that in theory I look at the US ballot and I'm not sure I can get 5 names I think should go in!
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Oct 15, 2022 23:26
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SatoshiMiwa posted:See while I could see that in theory I look at the US ballot and I'm not sure I can get 5 names I think should go in! 20 years of WWE monopoly does that to a region.
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Oct 15, 2022 23:32
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fez_machine posted:20 years of WWE monopoly does that to a region. Scary thing is only half of the US ballot is people who had the bulk of their career in WWF/WWE. Rest were either in WCW or the territories and well...they're borderline for a lot reasons.
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Oct 15, 2022 23:37
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This will be the year of tag teams as the Holy Demon Army and the Steiner Brothers both get in. Maybe people will vote in Arn and Tully out of boredom knowing they're both stronger applicants as singles wrestlers.
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Oct 16, 2022 00:07
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fez_machine posted:One of the major problems with the expanded voting pool is that not everyone uses their full amount of votes distorting the percentages. Some years there's just no one worth putting in. Like, i could force myself to pick 5 names from Japan but I'd rather just say Holy Demon Army, Tomohiro Ishii & on the fence about Naito & Satomura and happy to hear people's cases to sway me. For non wrestler's I'd like to see someone making the case for Joe Higuchi & Rossy Ogawa, who I'm not overly confident what his role in AJW was. And I'm also looking forward to reading an article justifying Sanshiro Takagi
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Oct 16, 2022 00:10
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Put in Marufuji who, with KENTA, legacy cast a very large shadow over wrestling for the next 20 years. It however may be they'll both go down as unsung heroes. I'm mentally trying to rank CIMA or Marufuji.
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Oct 16, 2022 00:21
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As much as CIMA pissed people off CIMA legacy is bigger than Marufuji's what with Dragongate and the Lucharesu style that's now all over wrestling. Marufuji's also hurt by having his first run as champion being a disaster (not his fault but a lot of 2000's candidates are hurt by their companies doing mistakes sadly) and his later runs coming when NOAH was clearly at best the #3 company in Japan at best. One could argue that his ROH appearances could help him as a generation of the current starts looked at it and copied parts of it for their act but than he also gets lost in the other 00's ROH acts like Daniels/Joe/Punk that have cases but also aren't going to make it in.
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Oct 16, 2022 01:01
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forkboy84 posted:Some years there's just no one worth putting in. Like, i could force myself to pick 5 names from Japan but I'd rather just say Holy Demon Army, Tomohiro Ishii & on the fence about Naito & Satomura and happy to hear people's cases to sway me. Among other things, Takagi deserves it for influence alone. There's a directly line from him to Stadium Stampede and the Jackass Wrestlemania match.
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Oct 16, 2022 01:13
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On today's WOR Dave mentioned the Hall of Fame issue is this Friday and we've got 6 wrestlers/Tag Teams going in it looks like and 2 contributers
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Dec 6, 2022 17:14
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Holy Demon Army is 100% so it's a matter of the rest
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Dec 7, 2022 02:22
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Holy Demon Army (Toshiaki Kawada and Akira Taue) 76% Mistico 76% (up from 59.7% last year) Kota Ibushi 65% (up from 54%) Tetsuya Naito 65% (up from 38%) Los Villanos 63% Rollerball Mark Rocco 62% (up from 58%)
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Dec 9, 2022 19:01
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My Main Man Mistico.
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Dec 9, 2022 22:30
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Is that the Mistico that worked as Sin Cara for the WWE or the other Mistico that worked as Sin Cara for the WWE?
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Dec 9, 2022 23:53
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Reading the breakdown of votes is pretty interesting. Naito did great among reporters but merely okay among historians/wrestlers. Active wrestlers also had Hayabusa ranked fairly high too Gonna be really funny/sad when reporters/active wrestlers rank the Young Bucks high and historians/retired wrestlers dont
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Dec 10, 2022 00:05
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Retired Wrestlers has to be filled with some of the stodgiest WWE/WWC wrestlers and territory days people. It's almost impossible for it not to be. Reporters at least have to keep up with the industry as it currently is.
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Dec 10, 2022 00:23
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SatoshiMiwa posted:Reading the breakdown of votes is pretty interesting. Naito did great among reporters but merely okay among historians/wrestlers. Active wrestlers also had Hayabusa ranked fairly high too What possible argument could exist against naito. He clearly meets all the criteria. This one genuinely confuses me Glad he's gone in. Literally the most popular wrestler in Japan for years. Drawing wise I think the numbers suggest Okada does better with tickets but merch naito is king.
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Dec 10, 2022 01:05
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Ibushi in the Hall of Fame is good, and I can only assume the news will reinvigorate his spirit and repair his injuries and he will be back to active wrestling again 
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Dec 10, 2022 02:46
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It's actually pretty fitting that Ibushi/Naito went in together given their shared love of taking insane head/neck bumps!
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Dec 10, 2022 03:08
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