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Cicero posted:Do bus drivers actually like that though? I feel like if I was a bus driver I'd get tired of feeling obligated to say you're welcome at every stop a bunch of times. cant cook creole bream posted:People should use toilet brushes after using a public toilet. Is that a categorical imperative we may all agree on?
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Cicero posted:Do bus drivers actually like that though? I feel like if I was a bus driver I'd get tired of feeling obligated to say you're welcome at every stop a bunch of times. They just nod grimly
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Cicero posted:Do bus drivers actually like that though? I feel like if I was a bus driver I'd get tired of feeling obligated to say you're welcome at every stop a bunch of times. sebmojo posted:They just nod grimly I always thank the bus drivers when I use public bus transit for going to work every day, and when I do I do a small wave at the drivers too. Most of the time the drivers learn to recognize me and wave back, and a lot of them say "You're welcome" or "Have a nice day" in response. There are a couple that don't respond (which is fine), but most of them respond positively. Not any solid proof they really like it, but I think some of them do.
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ultrafilter posted:The HTML specification requires consecutive spaces to be displayed as a single space. Quote this post and you'll see that there are two spaces between the sentences even though only one is shown. What the hell is this witchcraft! 
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Cicero posted:Do bus drivers actually like that though? I feel like if I was a bus driver I'd get tired of feeling obligated to say you're welcome at every stop a bunch of times. I drive the bus. We really do like to be thanked. It’s also fairly uncommon, at least in the US, for passengers to thank us. I would estimate less than 1 in 50. And we don’t feel pressured to say “you’re welcome” as people who do say thank you generally leave immediately rather than wait for a reply. Which is good, because we don’t want you lingering by the doors clogging the space boarding passengers need. Also in the US, our job is actually called Transit Operator and if you want really make us feel good, you can say “Thank you, Operator.” Usually the only people who get this right are in the transit business or related to an operator. But we are not gonna be picky about it. I talked a little about this with Roman Mars when I was on 99% Invisible. Also, thank you for riding the bus! Edit: sebmojo posted:In my city you always thank the bus driver when you get off* for some reason, I think that is a nice thing to do and should be universal *** Alight Hermsgervørden fucked around with this message at 18:04 on Oct 21, 2022 |
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Rappaport posted:Spelling names should be done away with. Just so long as you get 35% of the letters correct, order doesn't even matter, people can probably guess right anyway. We already do it with transliterated names! I was doing genealogy, and someone online mentioned that yeah, in the 18th century or earlier you sometimes find the name of the exact same person spelled multiple different ways, and this is incredibly aggravating to us (which spelling is the correct one???) but in the mindset of a 17th century person this was no big deal, because to them the spoken version of their name was the real version of their name, and written versions are just transliterations of it, kind of like “whatever, the reader can figure out which person is meant.” In a 17th century mindset, Jeremy Smith is obviously the same person as Jeromy Smyth, only an idiot would be confused. Anyway that kind of blew my mind, because our writing-centric world is so different from the way that our ancestors used to think. Sucrose fucked around with this message at 18:20 on Oct 21, 2022 |
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Hermsgervørden posted:I drive the bus. We really do like to be thanked. It’s also fairly uncommon, at least in the US, for passengers to thank us. I would estimate less than 1 in 50. And we don’t feel pressured to say “you’re welcome” as people who do say thank you generally leave immediately rather than wait for a reply. Which is good, because we don’t want you lingering by the doors clogging the space boarding passengers need. Ha I was just about to post "I think I heard on a podcast that the bus drivers do appreciate being thanked." But now I have still only heard this from one
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Sucrose posted:I was doing genealogy, and someone online mentioned that yeah, in the 18th century or earlier you sometimes find the name of the exact same person spelled multiple different ways, and this is incredibly aggravating to us (which spelling is the correct one???) but in the mindset of a 17th century person this was no big deal, because to them the spoken version of the name was the real version of their name, and written versions are just transliterations of it, kind of like “whatever, the reader can figure out which person is meant.” Even people as "recent" as Hitler had relatives who weren't sure of the spelling of their surname due to this. And in many nations the whole concept of surnames for everybody is a relatively recent innovation. It just becomes bothersome in things such as the above example, when you have scientific constants, formulae etc. named after people. Of course there's also a flipside to this custom, there's dozens of things called "Euler's formula" or what have you, because Euler was in the top two of productive mathematicians.
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I'm an OLD and actually learned to type on a loving typewriter. It was actually a good class, and it taught me a lot of good habits. It took a very, VERY long time to break the habit of putting two spaces after a period, but I'm glad I freed myself from the madness of doing work that is never noticed. Nor did it really matter in the end. Goodbye, extra spaces everywhere.
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Tipping minimum of 20% no matter what quality of service.
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Shoes weren't designed to be worn in the house
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Jaxyon posted:Tipping minimum of 20% no matter what quality of service if you live in a place where tipping is expected
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Jaxyon posted:Tipping minimum of 20% no matter what quality of service. Just increase the price of everything by at least 20%. Also include tax in the price of things. Eating out in the US is far too complicated. The menus have prices, but they are merely lower estimates. Without knowing the local tax rate and then adding another 20% on top of that, there's no way to know how much your food will cost until it's time to pay. Much like healthcare. I like how they do it Asia (and probably other places). The menu says it costs $10. You order the food, then you pay exactly $10. The staff all get paid at least a living wage. This is also true in the supermarket and everywhere else.
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James Garfield posted:Shoes weren't designed to be worn in the house And if your feet are cold, then you have indoor shoes/slippers for that purpose rather than tracking filth all around your house constantly. Friend posted:Ha I was just about to post "I think I heard on a podcast that the bus drivers do appreciate being thanked." But now I have still only heard this from one I think people in general like to be thanked for doing their job. Sometimes it can get a bit much, one "thank you" is enough, but 99% of the time you really can't go wrong with it.
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I admit I have not hitherto felt it necessary to consider "how can I know whether or not other people like expressing gratitude when they do things for me"
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My dad drove buses for many years and he liked being thanked. I always say 'thank you!' or 'thanks driver!' or something as I leave the bus. Doesn't hurt anything and they don't have to answer because I am already gone.
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HopperUK posted:My dad drove buses for many years and he liked being thanked. I always say 'thank you!' or 'thanks driver!' or something as I leave the bus. Doesn't hurt anything and they don't have to answer because I am already gone. Scouts have a whole song for thanking the driver. It's oddly violent.
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Where I'm from, we enter busses in the front and leave them in the back. (Which should be a common convention!) I wont squeeze myself past a dozen people or shout in public just to thank the driver after the ride. If I take the last bus of the night and I'm the only passenger I wish that person a good night across the bus, but other than that I don't tend to talk to them.
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I think you should clap when they arrive at a stop, like some people do when they land an airplane (for some reason).
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Shadow0 posted:I think you should clap when they arrive at a stop, like some people do when they land an airplane (for some reason). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0exxEtpacJk
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Jaxyon posted:Tipping minimum of 20% no matter what quality of service. I do this, but I think it is actually a toxic standard that is making the restaurant industry a worse place to be employed, and it is something we need to consciously get away from. If someone gave me good service, I like to give them a bit of extra cash, but it creates problems elsewhere. In the last 10-15 years, the tip-out system has become standard in a lot of restaurants. The tip-out system is where at the end of the shift, front of the house staff members cut other employees a portion of their tips. On an induvial level, this seems just, since those other employees helped you out, and of course they deserve a bit of money. But if you zoom out, it basically allows owners to shift the burden of paying their employees onto the employees themselves. This allows the owners and managers to have artificially low advertised prices and it creates a massive amount of downward pressure on wages because it becomes the customers choice whether or not the employees get a fair wage and it becomes the employees problem whether or not their coworkers are getting paid, at the expense of their own income. I think this is one of the reasons why the restaurant industry in the US is so insane and toxic.
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Jaxyon posted:Tipping minimum of 20% no matter what quality of service. It’s a trap though, because the only way to stop the tipping system would be for huge numbers of people to stiff working class waiters and the like for years and years until the whole thing collapses. And nobody but huge jerks are willing to do that, so here we are.
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Shadow0 posted:Just increase the price of everything by at least 20%. Aren't US and Canada and maybe Mexico the only places that do not display the full prices on menus and price tags, and where you pay a mystery bonus fee at the end of your meal. In Europe you might round up a little bit, but now that everything is cashless, even that is less common than it used to be. I'll occasionally tip if it's like €48 and I have a €50 bill on me, but 95% of the time I pay by card and it just is what it is. I thought mandatory significant tipping was exclusively a North American convention. I just Googled some lists and from what I can tell they seem to largely have pulled the info out of their rear end ( https://matadornetwork.com/read/international-tipping-guide/ ). Who tips 10% in Croatia? Nobody. 15% service charge in France? I have literally never seen that and I've eaten in hundreds of French restaurants. Same for Germany, who tips 5 to 10%? A typical 10% tip in Turkey, again, no. Egypt? Also lived there, literally never left a tip nor saw anyone leave a tip at a restaurant beyond occasionally rounding up if I paid in cash. "Business as usual" in Norway to add 10-20%? It's been a while since I've been there, but I'm skeptical. Saladman fucked around with this message at 12:49 on Oct 24, 2022 |
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Yeah, in Germany, it's usually rounding up to the next euro or the one after that and maybe something like a fiver for large orders or if the service was exceptional. Tipping 20% is excessively much and if restaurants would de facto force you to do that so that the service personal does not starve, the EU would go against that. We also don't have ridiculous laws which say that gastronomy workers are exempt from the federal minimum wage of 12€ (currently about 12 Dollar) either. I can't fathom giving a subpar service a bonus of 20% anytime soon.
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Never. I am not flying an airplane.
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Ograbme posted:Invert right stick Y-axis. Can we just close this thread? It was a nice idea, but clearly, people are just using it to post inane nonsense in order to get a rise out of people.
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cant cook creole bream posted:Can we just close this thread? It was a nice idea, but clearly, people are just using it to post inane nonsense in order to get a rise out of people. Not yet, we've almost solved the tipping issue.
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Tipping abolished entirely with monthly minimum wage set to 4x local rent for a 1br apartment. Hiring in Palo Alto will suddenly be very interesting.
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cant cook creole bream posted:Can we just close this thread? It was a nice idea, but clearly, people are just using it to post inane nonsense in order to get a rise out of people.
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Some places use commas for thousands separation and periods for the decimal point, others do it the other way round. we simply cannot let this stand simply because it's usually pretty obvious unless you go to exactly three decimal places like a weirdo. I propose two new symbols. let's say 1/234/567~89. Or maybe 1~234~567/89. Hmm. Tell you what we'll try it both ways in different countries for a 20-year trial period or so and then once we've decided which one is better we'll get everyone to switch to the clearly better one Also sometimes I forget which billion people mean, so we will use the convenient SI units as the new mnemonic. a million stays a million, a thousand million is now a gillion, a thousand is now a killion. This will have a pillion benefits in people's day to day lives
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Angepain posted:Some places use commas for thousands separation and periods for the decimal point, others do it the other way round. we simply cannot let this stand simply because it's usually pretty obvious unless you go to exactly three decimal places like a weirdo. I propose two new symbols. let's say 1/234/567~89. Or maybe 1~234~567/89. Hmm. Tell you what we'll try it both ways in different countries for a 20-year trial period or so and then once we've decided which one is better we'll get everyone to switch to the clearly better one pillion has loving slain me
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And combine to suit, so a killion times a gillion is now a kajillion, i like this
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My new secret pet theory I just pulled out of my rear end is that tipping culture also causes downward pressure on wages because it makes determining your actual wage before you start working very opaque, thus making wage competition less rational. How do I know that I’ll be getting paid more at Shithead’s Seafood as opposed to rear end in a top hat’s Steaks? Shithead’s seafood has a 1 dollar an hour premium on wages, but supposedly the tips are better at rear end in a top hat’s… Evaluating which job is better if you are motivated by cash just became much more complex than if you are a receptionist picking between two medical clinics.
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Growing up in the US and moving to a place (Taiwan) where tipping culture does not exist has turned me against the idea of tipping and I just want people to be paid more.
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It's weird as a North American going to a place where tipping isn't "expected" because it's like, really? I'm just going to not do the thing I'm used to doing? I think the tipping system is poo poo for the reasons already discussed, but it's a stupid cultural thing and you feel weird when you don't do it, even if it's not expected that you do it. I will say, also, the implied mandatory nature of tipping takes away any benefit. As I said, I'm still... culturally likely to tip in places it's not expected (though not in places where it would be considered offensive) if the service is good. And if you tip for exceptional service, when you've received exceptional service, you will be remembered and maybe given a few benefits. It's transactional. "You did an exceptional job, you deserve extra." "You appreciated the effort, next time I'll spot you over the bar and you get your drink first." That doesn't really happen when it's assumed everyone tips 15-20%. It's meaningless at that point, which defeats the whole purpose. Further, if I order an expensive steak, for example's sake, does that server deserve more money than the server who brings a vegan customer their dish? Does that customer deserve less attention than me, for that matter? TL;DR: Mandatory tipping is dreadful in a lot of ways, but if it expected than you still must do it. Until we just get rid of it, like we should, you have to play the game.
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Tipping also works as a discount system for assholes which isn't great If anything assholes should pay more
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Cicero posted:Tipping also works as a discount system for assholes which isn't great Angepain posted:Some places use commas for thousands separation and periods for the decimal point, others do it the other way round. we simply cannot let this stand simply because it's usually pretty obvious unless you go to exactly three decimal places like a weirdo. I propose two new symbols. let's say 1/234/567~89. Or maybe 1~234~567/89. Hmm. Tell you what we'll try it both ways in different countries for a 20-year trial period or so and then once we've decided which one is better we'll get everyone to switch to the clearly better one
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