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Debate renewed... Seattle Seahawks coach Pete Carroll and safety Quandre Diggs on Wednesday said they'd like to see a close reexamination of whether NFL stadiums should exclusively use natural grass. The ongoing conversation about the safety of playing on artificial turf versus natural grass has been raised anew after Seahawks wide receiver DK Metcalf and Los Angeles Chargers cornerback J.C. Jackson suffered knee injuries during Sunday's game at SoFi Stadium, both on noncontact plays. SoFi Stadium, home of the Chargers and the Rams, uses an artificial surface. "I think we definitely need to look at this really seriously in the offseason again," Carroll said when asked about the grass-turf debate. "It's been a discussion before. We've got to do what's right, and we've got to do what's safest for the players and we've got to make those choices. I would pound on the drum for that." Fourteen of the NFL's 30 stadiums use an artificial surface, including the Seahawks' Lumen Field. In September 2020, NFL Players Association president JC Tretter called for all teams to use grass fields to reduce the risk of injury to players. Tretter cited NFL injury data from 2012 to 2018 that showed a 28% higher rate of noncontact lower-extremity injuries on artificial turf as compared to grass. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34885088/grass-all-nfl-stadiums-safest-players
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What are the arguments AGAINST grass?
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if they use grass in there i can't sm0ke that one
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Oct 27, 2022 03:12
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CocoaNuts posted:What are the arguments AGAINST grass? The owners make less money from their tax funded stadiums.
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Oct 27, 2022 03:28
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I assume some domes were built without the ability to roll the field out and let the sun in to grow grass so you’d need a bunch of UV lights or some poo poo.
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Oct 27, 2022 03:40
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they use a lot of radiation in the casting of the extra hardened floors of these gigantic stadiums. the stuff is designed to alter spectator dna and mutate their offspring into being bigger fans of the home team. teh problem? can't grow grass On top of that poo poo
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Oct 27, 2022 04:02
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CocoaNuts posted:What are the arguments AGAINST grass? The official answer in stadiums like US Bank (Vikings) is there's not enough light to grow grass and / or the stadiums are multi-purpose and hosting events like concerts or monster truck rally's would destroy natural grass. The real answer is that it's cheaper.
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Oct 27, 2022 04:44
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CocoaNuts posted:What are the arguments AGAINST grass? remember that Monday night game years ago with the Steelers and the Someone Else Who I Forgot where the field was so muddy that a punt didn't even bounce?
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Oct 27, 2022 05:41
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CocoaNuts posted:What are the arguments AGAINST grass? owners dont maintain it and also they'll schedule some poo poo in on friday or saturday that'll ruin it for a sunday game Borsche69 fucked around with this message at 06:27 on Oct 27, 2022 |
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Oct 27, 2022 06:07
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Sash! posted:remember that Monday night game years ago with the Steelers and the Someone Else Who I Forgot where the field was so muddy that a punt didn't even bounce? the dolphins and yeah. also the bears and skins stadiums are both grass pieces of total dogass garbage. grass is better than turf, no doubt, but these fuckers need to actually spend time and money on upkeep.
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Oct 27, 2022 06:09
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Who Cares honestly. look at Washington's field. grass isn't the best, turf is basically a wide receiver that can block a little
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Oct 27, 2022 06:49
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indigi posted:Who Cares honestly. look at Washington's field. grass isn't the best, turf is basically a wide receiver that can block a little quote:In a survey conducted by NFLPA regarding the use of turf vs. natural grass, nearly 93% of players listed artificial turf as an impediment to their careers, while 91% stated it made them feel more fatigued and sore.
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Sash! posted:remember that Monday night game years ago with the Steelers and the Someone Else Who I Forgot where the field was so muddy that a punt didn't even bounce? The most beautiful bad game ever.
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Oct 27, 2022 07:55
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Is there a way to make turf safer? My guess is probably not, making it a little softer makes it less durable along with needing to be replaced more often?
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Oct 27, 2022 10:49
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What's more important... Player health -OR- hosting a Tony Keith concert the Friday before a game?
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Oct 27, 2022 12:26
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all fields should be made of the 90s veterans stadium turf that Brian Billick refused to take the field during a preseason game cause the turf was such absolute poo poo and there were gaping holes of exposed concrete.
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Oct 27, 2022 12:52
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Sash! posted:remember that Monday night game years ago with the Steelers and the Someone Else Who I Forgot where the field was so muddy that a punt didn't even bounce? This is an argument for grass fyi
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Oct 27, 2022 14:14
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a neat cape posted:The players seem to care may as well be wearing skirts at this point
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Oct 27, 2022 14:16
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Remembering when the turf caught fire at a Rams / Steelers game
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Oct 27, 2022 14:18
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you're thinking of natural gas
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That Wendell Davis injury is burned into my brain.
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Oct 27, 2022 15:30
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indigi posted:may as well be wearing skirts at this point You forgot the sarcasm emoji.
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The data supports the anecdotes you’ll hear from me and other players: artificial turf is significantly harder on the body than grass. Based on NFL injury data collected from 2012 to 2018, not only was the contact injury rate for lower extremities higher during practices and games held on artificial turf, NFL players consistently experienced a much higher rate of non-contact lower extremity injuries on turf compared to natural surfaces. Specifically, players have a 28% higher rate of non-contact lower extremity injuries when playing on artificial turf. Of those non-contact injuries, players have a 32% higher rate of non-contact knee injuries on turf and a staggering 69% higher rate of non-contact foot/ankle injuries on turf compared to grass. https://nflpa.com/posts/only-natural-grass-can-level-the-nfls-playing-field Matt Schaub, a former player who plans to run next March in the scheduled election for the next executive director of the NFLPA, texted, “there is no question that grass fields are preferable … players should have a say over the surface we play on.” https://theathletic.com/3647564/2022/10/04/nfl-injury-grass-artificial-turf/
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Oct 27, 2022 15:56
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play the game on gravel or dirt like real men
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razorscooter posted:play the game on gravel or dirt like real men With land mines! Give us some real bang for our buck!
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Oct 27, 2022 16:30
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play it like this imo
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razorscooter posted:play the game on gravel or dirt like real men I recall reading about a game that was played on cement back in the 20s because they moved it indoors because of a blizzard. I assume there were fatalities It was 1932 and no one died although the smell of elephant poo poo on the playing surface caused a player to vomit Sash! fucked around with this message at 17:36 on Oct 27, 2022 |
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Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:What's more important... I mean, we can always breed more players but there's only one Tony Keith. The decision just kind of makes itself.
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Soccer players absolutely loath turf and that the women (but not men) world cup or olympics or such had some turf fields was an issue
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Oct 27, 2022 20:28
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every stadium needs the same exact perfect field: insanely artificial mid-80s turf with a baseball diamond, regardless of whether a baseball team plays there or not
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epic bacon posted:every stadium needs the same exact perfect field: insanely artificial mid-80s turf with a baseball diamond, regardless of whether a baseball team plays there or not If the home team doesn't have an advantage because they know exactly where the pitcher's mound is, it's not football
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CocoaNuts posted:What are the arguments AGAINST grass? The teams cheap out on maintaining them and they end up looking like absolute hell. Happened to the Ravens when they had grass last and of course we remember the Steelers bad fields and also Washington with RGIII injury. So I like grass but if a team is going to just not bother to keep a good field then use the turf. Really they should go to grass but have leaguewide standards for maintaining it that are real strict.
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Kawalimus posted:The teams cheap out on maintaining them and they end up looking like absolute hell. Happened to the Ravens when they had grass last and of course we remember the Steelers bad fields and also Washington with RGIII injury. So I like grass but if a team is going to just not bother to keep a good field then use the turf. So if the majority of players and the union are hell-bent on playing on grass surfaces, why can't the union say, "Look, the players will kick in half of what it costs for proper field maintenance." The median salary in the NFL is close to $900,000, so if each player contributes a perfectly affordable $2,500 per season or something like that, it would surely cover the expenses with owners contributing an equal amount. Win-win!
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Oct 28, 2022 00:48
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CocoaNuts posted:So if the majority of players and the union are hell-bent on playing on grass surfaces, why can't the union say, "Look, the players will kick in half of what it costs for proper field maintenance." The median salary in the NFL is close to $900,000, so if each player contributes a perfectly affordable $2,500 per season or something like that, it would surely cover the expenses with owners contributing an equal amount. Because unions don't exist to compel workers to solve problems that ownership and management can easily afford to solve themselves.
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Oct 28, 2022 00:51
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CocoaNuts posted:So if the majority of players and the union are hell-bent on playing on grass surfaces, why can't the union say, "Look, the players will kick in half of what it costs for proper field maintenance." The median salary in the NFL is close to $900,000, so if each player contributes a perfectly affordable $2,500 per season or something like that, it would surely cover the expenses with owners contributing an equal amount. The employer is responsible for providing a safe work environment for the employees. Employees shouldn’t have to pony up their own money to be safe at work. Besides all that, players are an investment to ownership. If owners want less injuries, they should put in grass to protect their investments.
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Are all turfs universally still ultimately overlayed on concrete?
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Asproigerosis posted:Are all turfs universally still ultimately overlayed on concrete? Probably but also in the same way that the grass in the cardinals stadium is overlayed on steel and then concrete
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Bird in a Blender posted:The employer is responsible for providing a safe work environment for the employees. Employees shouldn’t have to pony up their own money to be safe at work. Besides all that, players are an investment to ownership. If owners want less injuries, they should put in grass to protect their investments. A safe work environment? It's a sport where 200-375 lb men hurl their bodies at each other at top speed. Concussions are common and CTE is sometimes a reality by age 50. Somehow that doesn't scream safe work environment. But hey, if they can improve the turf...
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Lol let me tell you about Osha regulations, employer responsibility for safety, and covid: the pandemic.
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there's not enough water.
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