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After a rocky few weeks with too much mod-intervention/trolling, it appears the mod team has backed off trying to enforce its vision of the forum on the regional threads where the thread consensus is that the thread is better when the mods stay away. So, good job staying out.Mr. Smile Face Hat posted:1. QCS is an FYAD-lite and a joke. Either this needs to be fixed or D&D mods (anyone, really) need to stop referring people to it when they don't want to address an issue themselves.
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Mr. Smile Face Hat posted:Thanks for confirming that it's useless. I've checked it out numerous times over the years. It's a branch of FYAD in which every legitimate concern gets ridiculed by a collection of mods, regulars and others and then inevitably the thread gets closed. Mr. Smile Face Hat posted:What I've seen earlier this year is that somebody who had a legitimate issue with seeing other posters deny genocides was dogpiled by people telling him to play Elden Ring instead of complaining. *The most common flaws in people's opening arguments: - Assuming everyone is intimately familiar with the topic, to the point that their post is sheer nonsense to outsiders - Assuming QCS thread is basically just a super report, rather than an open forum where you're going to have to convince people from very different posting cultures - Championing a stupid-rear end cause because you don't understand other posting cultures and completely misunderstood a post To bring this back to the discussion of D&D, I realize now that there obviously is an issue here, given the cycles of weird grudge-threads between certain D&D and C-SPAM posters which has everyone else just pointing and laughing. Perhaps the mods should post a little guide for when they refer people to QCS, asking them if their post avoids the issues I outlined above? As is, it doesn't seem like there's a real functional outlet for escalating complaints, if a chunk of D&D posters have become so insular that they can't properly communicate with "outsiders" (Obviously the same applies to their C-SPAM counterparts). Mr. Smile Face Hat posted:Another thing I saw is that the whole thing now has maybe 3 permanent threads that are completely anodyne. Fister Roboto posted:My feedback is that nobody should ever listen to this twerp. Everything they post is this kind of pseudo-intellectual verborrheic nonsense. Every time they get in an argument with someone, they immediately attack the other person as "making GBS threads up the discussion" (I'm fairly certain that this is against the rules that DV wants to be strictly enforced). It's clear that they only want debate and discussion to occur within the narrow constraints that they deem acceptable. It's exhausting to try discussing anything with them, and it usually ends with a probation for the other person. If the mods really want D&D to be better and more open to discussion, then efforts should be made to get DV to stop domineering the conversation like this.
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Oct 29, 2022 18:08
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cinci zoo sniper posted:I think you misunderstand how this works. The point of trying to get an IK for Scandipol was to offer the thread to have a voice in a hypothetical moderation action. As the thread has broadly ignored the offer to self-moderate itself, no one is going to be consulted when in mods’ subjective opinion something has to be done in it. Koos Group posted:No posters are immune from D&D's rules. There is some amount of leniency afforded to posters who are providing high quality discussion or are experts in a relevant subject, but that is only a lessening of punishment or an additional chance. If they consistently break the rules, particularly in the same way repeatedly, they will be punished like everyone else. Incidentally, what is the criteria for being judged as an "expert in a relevant subject"? Because I remember a thread where the resident expert clearly showed that their expertise was regurgitating a blinkered version of their supposed area of expertise. You're not really doing the forum a service by elevating certain voices over others, since it just becomes another way to launder mod bias. cinci zoo sniper posted:Do you have any recent examples of this?
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Oct 29, 2022 19:38
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Koos Group posted:I would define an expert as someone who has direct experience in a certain field or with a certain phenomenon and is consequently more knowledgeable about it that a layman. We do of course scrutinize whether they are lying about that experience, and will punish them if they are, since that is an extreme form of bad faith. It also is appeal to authority, yes. cinci zoo sniper posted:For as long as no mod is going to have a reason to consider moderation action in the thread, sure, everyone there seems to be having a perfectly fine time. If a mod will consider intervening, be that reason a report or someone just browsing the thread at leisure, they’ll however unlikely leave everyone in the thread happy, for the reasons I’ve enunciated in the thread - y’all, funnily enough, touch grass so much that it’s difficult to establish proper context by simply reading up on the thread, with no mods presently living in the region. If the thread would have an IK in that scenario, all intervention considerations would get deferred to the IK via regional threads’ prerogative to self-moderation, and potentially hamfisted mod intervention would only come if the IK royally misses the mark on expectations, e.g., the conclusion of Cardiac’s tenure.
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Mr. Smile Face Hat posted:e: Also, if you're willingly part of an administration, you don't get to disavow any association with or responsibility for it. If you're a mod and see that kind of hostile atmosphere goin on, act accordingly or become complicit by not doing anything. Mr. Smile Face Hat posted:Even if someone's way of expressing themselves imperfectly, there is no excuse for the way that place deals with people's concerns. That hostile atmosphere discourages people and renders the place unusable for its professed purpose, which in turn makes anybody referring anyone else there dishonest. Nix Panicus posted:May we get a list of recognized experts, their areas of expertise, and preferably their credentials as a community resource so we know which poster's views carry more weight on a certain subject? It can be difficult to keep track of individual posters so some kind of sticky for quick referral would be great. Just post up whatever resource Koos uses to determine expertise as a start and we can add to it from there! I think this will really improve community interactions, plus it would be neat to see what people's real expertise is here! Mr. Smile Face Hat posted:Then why have a thread on this forum? If they want to be among themselves, they can go to a German forum. As long as a country has forums that largely allow free speech without consequences, that's a viable alternative. For a positive reason as to why, how about the fact that you get non-locals coming in and asking questions, which helps you get a better understanding of your own country? Weird cultural traits easily go unquestioned in a thread where every poster is part of that culture. As for the benefit it brings to outsiders, it's basically the reverse of the above. If you want to ask a question about German politics, or advice about moving or working there, you can just go and post in the German thread. Its not like you're gonna be probated for asking a question that was answered in German earlier. Those threads are basically a convenient resource for everyone else, and it's not like there'd be a German politics thread without the Germans. It literally only costs some server capacity and a line in the forum index, and in return you also get a non-Anglo perspective on politics where English speakers are directly involved. A Buttery Pastry fucked around with this message at 08:40 on Oct 30, 2022 |
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Elephant Ambush posted:I mean poo poo, Brexit passed. A majority of people voted for it. Elephant Ambush posted:Dude here's the thing. Leftists aren't trolling.
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Oct 30, 2022 20:40
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Bishyaler posted:Your first sentence is the kind of nitpicking pedantry and intentional misunderstanding the regulars do that makes DnD a tedious unreadable slog. Its acrobatics to prompt a rule breaking offense and it's the reason a sizable number of leftists have given up posting there. Bishyaler posted:Disagreeing with you isn't trolling. Pointing out the gaping flaws in the liberal worldview and how you're ghoulishly upholding a system whose gears are drenched in blood isn't trolling either.
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Victar posted:I do not think D&D moderation is anywhere near as severe or over-reaching as the vehement claims in this feedback thread. D&D is supposed to be the forum where you have to factually support your arguments and/or provide valuable information. Other forums with more relaxed rules are out there for people who prefer them. Unless you're talking about their behavior in the regional threads?
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