Truga posted:

https://twitter.com/wartracker4/status/1780350046539506026

is this just a guy from the past or are they doing this again?

NinjaPaco posted:

THank you very much, could someone also post angry zelenksky at that party with those glaring eyes, and also again I really want to send a thanks out to all the posters of this thread, its been extremely informative and I can't thank you enough, special shout out to dk2m who really helped me, a stupid liberal, understand some things with this post

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=4016635&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=2620

quote:

Salome Zourabichvili, 5th President of Georgia

Born:
18 March 1952 (age 72) Paris, France
Citizenship:
Georgian, French (Until 2018)

Shogi posted:

Organically rising up for the rights of foreign intel cutouts (again)

Ardennes posted:

Zourabichvili's party is the one actually pushing the law, so you someone born in Paris...actually opposing the US.

genericnick posted:

what do they die of though?

Ardennes posted:

Zourabichvili's party is the one actually pushing the law, so you someone born in Paris...actually opposing the US.

quote:

The current US debate about providing additional military assistance to Ukraine is based in part on the assumption that the war will remain stalemated regardless of US actions. That assumption is false.[1] The Russians are breaking out of positional warfare and beginning to restore maneuver to the battlefield because of the delays in the provision of US military assistance to Ukraine. Ukraine cannot hold the present lines now without the rapid resumption of US assistance, particularly air defense and artillery that only the US can provide rapidly and at scale.[2] Lack of air defense has exposed Ukrainian front-line units to Russian aircraft that are now dropping thousands of bombs on Ukrainian defensive positions for the first time in this war.[3] Ukrainian artillery shortages are letting the Russians use armored columns without suffering prohibitive losses for the first time since 2022.[4] The Russians are pressing their advantage and advancing slowly but steadily on several sectors of the front. Since the beginning of this year, Russian forces have seized over 360 square kilometers - an area the size of Detroit. Russian advances will accelerate absent urgent American action. US policymakers must internalize the reality that further delaying or stopping American military assistance will lead to dramatic Russian gains later in 2024 and in 2025 and, ultimately, to Russian victory.

OhFunny posted:

Zourabichvili does not belong to any party.

The president is a largely ceremonial position. Power rests with the prime minister.

Son of Thunderbeast posted:

Looks more like a shagohod

gradenko_2000 posted:

Slava Ukraini

quote:

Foreign funds are ubiquitous in Georgia. I’m not sure if any research on the impact of foreign funding on all aspects of society has been conducted (and who would fund such a study?). The government receives significant grants and loans; simply visiting any ministry’s website reveals a plethora of foreign “partners.” Foreign grants almost entirely support Georgia’s civil society. Unions receive grants. Foreign funds are used to fund everything from municipal projects to small farmers and businesses to academic institutions. Foreign governments and funds finance films and culture. Foreign grants also contribute to the funding of political parties, either directly or indirectly – political parties have an NGO wing that receives funding. Many politicians are involved with non-governmental organizations (NGOs). An NGO can be registered in one day. At the same time, many Georgian families get by on remittances from Russia and EU.

dead gay comedy forums posted:

bit ot but it's a tidbit I really like: Nadezhda Krupskaya, the Soviet commissar of education (and Lenin's wife), was instrumental in developing an entire new pedagogy that dismissed the normative/prescriptive aspects and applied dialectical materialism into linguistics.

So, for example, instead of a curated list of tales for children made by bored wealthy people, Nadezhda was a pioneer in the approach of sending people from the councils to learn all about folklore, songs, tales, traditions and what not and from there, apply a descriptive approach in which the people would learn the letters from what they already know by generations of culture.

This method was a complete game-changer in education. Alphabetization in the USSR skyrocketed because among other things everybody knew the base material, there was no need for textbooks nor rote exercising. People learned phonemes from folk songs and could quickly associate with letters and syllables. This and many other pedagogical techniques allowed for a much more rapid learning rate for everybody, but especially adults.

Bring that together with a full-fledged total effort campaign by the Bolshevik government of eradication of illiteracy - which had unanimous agreement between the assembly - and carried out with tremendous revolutionary zeal. Like, for real, this is the scene: in 1913, a young peasant woman far away enough from a major urban center had almost no chance of anything resembling an education; five years later, she is sitting in a class with many other women too and she knows her letters, she is learning about history and literature and philosophy and suddenly dawns on her that she might be the most educated person on her family line, because all they knew in the familial memory was serfdom and peasantry. Stories like this caused an immense revolutionary fervor because this was the change, the New, the world in transformation in the front of their eyes.

NinjaPaco posted:

THank you very much, could someone also post angry zelenksky at that party with those glaring eyes, and also again I really want to send a thanks out to all the posters of this thread, its been extremely informative and I can't thank you enough, special shout out to dk2m who really helped me, a stupid liberal, understand some things with this post

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=4016635&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=2620

crepeface posted:

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

One of the colour revolution books bemoaned that “for some reason” Georgian politics consisted of factions fighting for resources and patronage, rather than democratic ideals burning brightly in the hearts of the Georgian people, aiming to perfect Fukuyama’s ideal society. It suggested that western NGOs basically reshape Georgian media and society so people don’t say things like: “these elections don’t matter”, “both sides are the same”, “I support whoever is willing to give me stuff”.

Orange Devil posted:

I assume instead they should say "these are the most important elections ever" and "the election is between democracy and autocracy" every single election?

Al-Saqr posted:

Washington post with the breaking and shocking news that reveals that russia is trying to weaken american influence. wow.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/04/17/russia-foreign-policy-us-weaken/

quote:

Using much tougher and blunter language than the public foreign policy document, the secret addendum, dated April 11, 2023, claims that the United States is leading a coalition of “unfriendly countries” aimed at weakening Russia because Moscow is “a threat to Western global hegemony.” The document says the outcome of Russia’s war in Ukraine will “to a great degree determine the outlines of the future world order,” a clear indication that Moscow sees the result of its invasion as inextricably bound with its ability — and that of other authoritarian nations — to impose its will globally.

my bony fealty posted:

That's a good post, it leaves out an important part of the story that's useful for understanding why the US loves the Ukranian Nazis so much. Which is that the OUN never went away, after WW2 and Bandera's death it took a journey to the West, both as part of the greater Ukranian diaspora and in smaller spurts. And as part of international anticomminust organizations.

Officer Sandvich posted:

Secret document reveals Russia has same opinion of war as west

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

It's also easy to forget that Orban was originally their guy, and now the "radical pro-democracy activist" is the next coming of Horthy? Funny how that works.

KomradeX posted:

Yeah but Horthy is good now because of the "heroes of 56"

Pepe Silvia Browne posted:

Shedohod

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

It's going to drive me insane to see Hungary and Romania get the same makeover as Ukraine.

They may as well do the same for Croatia and Bulgaria, honestly, it's not like most people even know they were in the Axis.

genericnick posted:

what do they die of though?

Not So Fast posted:

I find it funny how the USA is the only player here when the EU is right next door and supposedly next on the list after Ukraine?

KomradeX posted:

Yeah but Horthy is good now because of the "heroes of 56"

Not So Fast posted:

https://twitter.com/PolyglotFella/status/1779309189208170942?t=7KZ6x4OTUpwAQr4DDIozbA&s=19

Big Israel feeling left out

my bony fealty posted:

That's a good post, it leaves out an important part of the story that's useful for understanding why the US loves the Ukranian Nazis so much. Which is that the OUN never went away, after WW2 and Bandera's death it took a journey to the West, both as part of the greater Ukranian diaspora and in smaller spurts. And as part of international anticomminust organizations.

The first of these is why you see so many Ukranian Nazi memorials in Canada, lots of OUN people emigrated there. In the US Chicago was and I think still is the center of the OUN in America. These groups still exist and they still have powerful political connections. Chrystia "She-Wolf of the SS" Freeland is the most obvious example, but...

...Ukranians with OUN ties had huge influence in the US too. A guy named Lev Dobriansky was the nexus/fixer here; he chaired something called the National Captive Nations Committee, an essentially Nazi/Banderite organization, which was successful in lobbying the Eisenhower administration to create Captive Nations Week in the US. This is a US government-sponsored week that celebrates anticommunism, and it is very important to understand that anticommunism is fascism, they are one in the same. It still happens. Joe Biden celebrated it in July of last year - https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2023/07/14/a-proclamation-on-captive-nations-week-2023/

Dobriansky is dead but his daughter Paula Dobriansky, who is every bit as much a psycho Nazi as her father, has been a high-level member of several Presidential administrations, most recently Bush II and almost Trump's.

The point of all this is that Ukranian nationalism, i.e. fascism, has had close ties to the US federal government and especially the foreign policy apparatus, since WW2 and probably before. The US working with, arming, and training far right groups in Ukraine around 2014 up through today isn't an aberration. It's a continuation of policy exactly has it has existed for decades.

In 1983 a guy named Yaroslav Stetsko was greeted warmly and honored by both Reagan and Bush I at the White House. Stetsko was one of the worst criminals of the Holocaust in Ukraine, Bandera gets all the attention but Stetsko was arguably imo the Worse Ukranian Hitler. America loved him. He led the Anti-Bolshevik Bloc of Nations, which later fused with KMT and South Korean anticommunist groups to form the World Anti-Communist League.

You can think of WACL as basically the fascist international of the Cold War era. It was an org that linked fascists and Axis war criminals from all around the world. The US was a big supporter. Ukranian nationalists were a huge part of it.

This is an enormously deep rabbit hole to go down so I will stop here. Haven't even mentioned how the CIA recruited mass murdering Ukranian criminals like Michael Lebed. But I hope it's clear that the US has supported Ukranian fascism for a very long time, and that they continue to do so in 2024 is just business as usual.