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Shrapnig posted:Gregg did his job, he qualified for the World Cup and got out of the group stage. Thanks for all the memories. as long as Americans try to play American soccer they will be terrible but us soccer won't faceup to that for another 20 years at least
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You should legitimately go for Van Bronckhorst and he’d do well. And he’d play Reyna.
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Tortilla Maker posted:Realistically? Tata Martino. is this a troll post? Absolutely pass.
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Crazy Ted posted:Okay so I've said this in other places, but for all his issues I would like someone to tell me what manager the USSF could have realistically hired in 2018 that would been able to take a US squad that was the second-youngest at the World Cup (Ghana 1st - exited at Group Stage), didn't even qualify for 2018, wasn't ranked in the top 10-12, didn't have any world-class forwards in the player pool, and breeze it into the quarterfinals or the semis because if you'll believe USMNT social media the Dutch team was just 26 overgrown handicapped children ripe for the taking. John Herdman
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stab posted:John Herdman https://youtu.be/PTA7wiQX9K8
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Shrapnig posted:Gregg did his job, he qualified for the World Cup and got out of the group stage. Thanks for all the memories. I don't agree Gregg is tactically inept, he is more so just kind of fine but I think has generally reoriented the team to head in the right direction. Fine may not be good enough next cycle but I doubt that most replacement options people throw out there would bring anything better to the table and a lot of them may do a worse job. It just feels like every cycle US soccer fans simultaneously complain the players are not good enough and a bunch of low skill MLS poo poo kickers, and then expect the manager to work miracles with those same players. We've never had the talent to compete beyond some plucky round of 16 (or QF when we draw Mexico) runs, but this young core is the first group that has a higher ceiling. But its still 1/2 a team, maybe closer to 1/4th a team depending on who you're counting. I think there have been massive advancements in academies in the last decade or so, MLS academies and youth systems now are at least good enough to be a bridge for players to get to Europe. But yes, we're on the cusp of the end of the Jordan Morris type players between the gains in domestic development, increased European scouting and increase in young players moving to Europe earlier. I'm pretty optimistic we'll be closer to 15-20 deep by 2026 in terms of quality players, and probably better beyond that. I' m not sure if Berhalter is the best available person to manage, i'm not even sure if he wants to keep the job (he'll have options). Also everyone has said it, but we really really need to elbow our way into Copa America because otherwise there will be no serious competition or measuring stick until june 2026. Which could also serve as a break point for whoever the manager is, if need be. G-Hawk fucked around with this message at 16:06 on Dec 4, 2022 |
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:He should have been fired on the spot for that should have been fired for showing up in those threads, jfc
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G-Hawk posted:That is a very heroic re-telling of getting to the round of 16 and then relying on tim howard to prevent a several goal thrashing Absolutely true, lol. We had an average striker in Dempsey, but had a world-class keeper that night. Enough defense to make those dozen or so shots on goal heroically savable. And a sitter for Wondolowski in extra time that could have pushed it into penalties. It's a funny old game.
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# ? Dec 4, 2022 16:28 |
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Clit dumpster
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# ? Dec 4, 2022 16:36 |
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matt turner still owns. difficult for him to hide his disgust with the defensive performance against NED in his post match interview and i'm glad he didn't give some variant of the goofy rear end "we're just happy to be here"
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barnold posted:matt turner still owns. Indeed. Maybe he'll buck the post-Meola trend of "our best GK must be bald"...but if he shaved his head now I would understand. So glad we didn't roll with Steffen this tourney.
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USA needs to just wait out Pep winning the CL at City I’m not joking, he’ll do it (he’s hinted at it)
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A Buffer Gay Dude posted:USA needs to just wait out Pep winning the CL at City
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Famethrowa posted:blows my mind that smaller countries like SK and Japan seem to have grown better national teams then the US. not to take anything away from them, but their talent pool can't be any bigger. clearly its the "academy" system failing, but jeez. how can you grapple with that. I mean, the US has always had an elite bald keeper and a solid midfield over the last 20 years or so. Its just been striker thats been a dumpster fire outside of McBride
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:I mean, the US has always had an elite bald keeper and a solid midfield over the last 20 years or so. Its just been striker thats been a dumpster fire outside of McBride we started graham zusi against belgium. i don't think he'd even make the squad this year
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A Buffer Gay Dude posted:USA needs to just wait out Pep winning the CL at City
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G-Hawk posted:we started graham zusi against belgium. i don't think he'd even make the squad this year that should have been Landon, but Klinsmann was a charlatan. Donovan, Dempsey, Adams, the US can produce Dudes at midfield Nissin Cup Nudist fucked around with this message at 20:16 on Dec 4, 2022 |
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Vegetable posted:Lol at the idea of these cloggers playing Pepball The midfield in 4 years can do it Save this post
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G-Hawk posted:we started graham zusi against belgium. i don't think he'd even make the squad this year There's one of these in every squad. Ben Olsen started a World Cup match, Kellyn Acosta saw minutes. Just utter poo poo that shouldn't be anywhere near the national team playing in World Cups. I don't know what the gently caress Shaq Moore was but he played himself into never getting picked again.
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Shrapnig posted:There's one of these in every squad. i'd rate acosta above those two, but yeah, thats my point really. And in past cycles there were more like 15 of them in the squad. if you want sustained success you need more than 2 players (or these days like 7 players) who belong on the same pitch as their opponent. Ain't nobody in the quarterfinals this year whos squad is worse than the U.S., depending on the next few days every single quarterfinal team may have clear talent edges. No manager is making a deep run until there's a deep squad to do with it...which I think we're headed toward. The closeness of the sport and bits of luck have somewhat obscured that the U.S. teams of the past were hilariously outclassed, and even if wondo finishes or whatever bounce goes our way they're probably going out in the next round. This team is a lot closer than we were in 2014 or before, but we're still running out too many players who aren't good enough to be a threat to do anything beyond scrap into the early knockout rounds. Tl;dr Its the players, not the tactics.
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Shrapnig posted:There's one of these in every squad. Can't believe you left Maguire out of this list
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joepinetree posted:MLS is a joke league. It includes, frequently in the same team, players making 65k a year and has beens making 8 million. Can you imagine Ronaldo playing in MLS after 40? Beckham really boosted soccer in US and I can’t wait for the MLS to mature some more for domestic stars, just like Japan with their J league and Korea with their domestic league. I’m sure once USMNT starts playing against the South American teams and Central American teams, the skill cap can go higher. On the bright side, if US wanted to, they can have their national team train a year before the world cup starts whereas other countries can’t afford to pull their players from the big European leagues.
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Wonton posted:On the bright side, if US wanted to, they can have their national team train a year before the world cup starts whereas other countries can’t afford to pull their players from the big European leagues. That did not really work out for the Qatar National Team.
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Wonton posted:Can you imagine Ronaldo playing in MLS after 40? Beckham really boosted soccer in US and I can’t wait for the MLS to mature some more for domestic stars, just like Japan with their J league and Korea with their domestic league. I’m sure once USMNT starts playing against the South American teams and Central American teams, the skill cap can go higher. J-League was founded a few years earlier than MLS and is just as mid. I haven’t watched a single minute of K-League ball, but I’m 100% sure its fucken mid too
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I don’t know what y’all been watching but the USA look genuinely talented. the only skill gap they have is a forward that can score sum fackin goals, but really, every national team has deficiencies. They desperately need a coach. A Real Coach. Go get Bielsa USMINT
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NinpoEspiritoSanto posted:Can't believe you left Maguire out of this list Why would I talk about Harry Maguire in the USA thread?
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I'm almost certain that's exactly what the US did in 1990 and 1994 with stunning results
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Not specifically for the World Cup but there was a Team America in the old NASL. tl;dr - Only lasted one season, finished last.
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Mainwaring posted:You all want a word class coach? I've three words for you: Big Sam Allardyce Up pops a smiling Jose Mourinho. (please no, he'd ruin everything with his hate for young players)
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Moktaro posted:Up pops a smiling Jose Mourinho. Would enjoy either of these very ironically given how awful it would be and how the USMNT and media establishment would try to gloss over the dire style of play and likely mediocre results
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# ? Dec 6, 2022 00:48 |
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I again cast my vote for Hugo Perez, former NASL guy, former U.S. midfielder, current manager of El Salvador.
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# ? Dec 6, 2022 01:03 |
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If I were to pick a coach for the USMNT, I'd pick Sebastián Beccacece. Would very likely say yes, and is best at making smaller teams punch way above their weight. Like people in the Sampaoli tradition, not great at handling stars or being favorites, but whenever he's worked at middle of the road teams he made them way overperform.
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joepinetree posted:If I were to pick a coach for the USMNT, I'd pick Sebastián Beccacece. Would very likely say yes, and is best at making smaller teams punch way above their weight. Like people in the Sampaoli tradition, not great at handling stars or being favorites, but whenever he's worked at middle of the road teams he made them way overperform. That was my take on Perez coaching El Salvador this past cycle. They were very skilled, disciplined, yet played creatively. He's got vintage cred. too. Never heard of your guy.
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# ? Dec 6, 2022 01:23 |
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There’s only one man who can lead the US now:
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The USMNT should hire Steve Clarke and take him off our hands
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Thomas Rongen could do a job
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Yeah forget big Sam, watching Jose interact with the us media would be far funnier
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King of False Promises posted:Thomas Rongen could do a job You'd have to look so far up his own rear end in a top hat to find him though
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It’s time for Felix Magath to whip these boys into shape imo
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