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ApplesandOranges posted:ScoVio has generally made it easier to rotate Pokemon so you can try out your favourites. Ya it's like when you get a party member in a jrpg in the final chapter but are already used to using your current team. It's like way too late. In Pokemon games, usually you get ice or dragon types quite late so those are the ones I still end up including in my team if it makes sense.
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All the birds, especially the normal/flying ones. From generation 1, I've thought of them as not-pidgey, because pidgey was somehow worth having, and the others were not.
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Apr 17, 2024 19:01
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Staraptor, talonflame, and corviknight ftw.
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Apr 17, 2024 19:37
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Saagonsa posted:Staraptor, talonflame, and corviknight ftw. Kilowattrel was the surprise mvp of my Violet playthrough. Hell, throw Swellow in there too, it's cool. Birds ftw.
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Apr 17, 2024 20:22
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Most of the region birds are better than pidgeot by miles. Smogon Bird alone destroys the category.
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Just started a second playthrough of Shield (it's only been what, 5 years?) and as usual with a second round my goal is to not use Pokemon I've used in the past on that particular game, but I look at Corviknight's pre-evo and go "but I waaaaanna". So, yeah, might replace him eventually but he's on the team for now. I think every gen since 3 has had an absolute belter of a bird, haven't they? Well, maybe not, I don't recall the gen 5 bird being any good but maybe I'm wrong. Anyway the only reason I'm doing this is to get dupe legendaries I need for my living dex (Glastrier, Kubfu & Urshifu) or to trade for Gen 9 expansion pass Pokemon because I'm too stubborn to pay money for that since I'm mad they didn't add a battle tower. But I will say being able to putter around a bit on the Isle of Armor right near the beginning (I think Crown Tundra is still all set to high level stuff and is assumed you'll do it postgame, yeah?) makes the game feel much less railsy. And while I always find myself annoyed that I can't walk down like a tiny little ledge like you can in Violet, the world is so much more pleasing to the eye.
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BonHair posted:All the birds, especially the normal/flying ones. From generation 1, I've thought of them as not-pidgey, because pidgey was somehow worth having, and the others were not. maybe I am biased, but both Pidgeot and Raticate end up being super useful in Gen 1 from start to finish. it's really wild how Route 1 rats and birds still havent ever reclaimed that former glory. Corviknight ends up disgustingly good tho
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it was cool in omega ruby when you could chain taillow for one with boom burst. the dexnav was so good
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Apr 17, 2024 22:47
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Of the route 1 birds Noctowl is bad, but has a niche in the Johto games in that hes a normal type special attacker that learns a bunch of psychic and ghost moves to use on the ghastly line and can inflict sleep. Swellow has a billion speed and has the Guts>Endeavor combo. Staraptor has close combat and the stats to use it. Unpheasant sucks and has no real niche something else at that point in the game can’t fill, sorry. Talonflame is just a straight up good Pokémon, no qualification necessary. Toucannon I’ve never tried to use so have no idea. Corvinight has an amazing typing, amazing ability, and great stats. He’s too good to be a route 1 bird. Squawkabilly sucks, but he exists more as a collection gimmick than a party member.
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galagazombie posted:Of the route 1 birds Toucannon is great. It wins the first trial due to it being able to learn Brick Break. It was really useful the entire game for me. Plus, it’s just a big angry toucan.
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Apr 18, 2024 03:12
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There's a lot of Pokemon id like to use, but I don't really have the patience for anything that doesn't outspeed 90% of npc pokemon
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Apr 18, 2024 03:51
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Yeah Unfezant was just bad? Which is a shame since the gender differences are kinda neat. Otherwise most of the early birds range from good to ‘eh, I can see what you’re trying to do’ like Noctowl. The early critters though have wildly varying usability. Like okay, Stoutland is cool but what are you even trying to do with Gumshoos and Greedent.
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Apr 18, 2024 03:56
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Beachcomber posted:There's a lot of Pokemon id like to use, but I don't really have the patience for anything that doesn't outspeed 90% of npc pokemon Thanks to npcs having no EV’s, npcs not evolving their Pokémon even at the end of the game, and the fact that you are often over leveled even if you try not to be, you’ll be out speeding 90% of trainers even with slow Pokémon. Only a small handful of absolute stinkers like Crabominable are actually too slow for campaign.
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ApplesandOranges posted:Yeah Unfezant was just bad? Which is a shame since the gender differences are kinda neat. Unfezant is just slightly worse Staraptor with a monumentally worse movepool and garbage abilities instead of intimidate. Like it gets almost exclusively special moves despite being built like a generic physical attacker.
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Talonflame and Toucannon made it into my E4 teams for both their debut games, they ruled.
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galagazombie posted:Thanks to npcs having no EV’s, npcs not evolving their Pokémon even at the end of the game, and the fact that you are often over leveled even if you try not to be, you’ll be out speeding 90% of trainers even with slow Pokémon. Only a small handful of absolute stinkers like Crabominable are actually too slow for campaign. ugly garbage crab was still in my alola e4 team
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mikeycp posted:ugly garbage crab was still in my alola e4 team He was on mine too. (second playthrough admittedly)
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galagazombie posted:Thanks to npcs having no EV’s, npcs not evolving their Pokémon even at the end of the game, and the fact that you are often over leveled even if you try not to be, you’ll be out speeding 90% of trainers even with slow Pokémon. Only a small handful of absolute stinkers like Crabominable are actually too slow for campaign. Tbf SuMo/USUM are exceptions to this. Enemy teams do often get max IVs and EVs as the game goes on as well as good natures. Take a look at one of the later Guzma battles for instance Golisopod (Lv. 68) (Nature: Adamant) (Moves: Sucker Punch/Waterfall/First Impression/Brick Break) IVs: 30/30/30/30/30/30 EVs: 0/252/252/0/0/0 Vikavolt (Lv. 68) (Nature: Modest) (Moves: Flash Cannon/Thunderbolt/Bug Buzz/Energy Ball) IVs: 30/30/30/30/30/30 EVs: 252/0/0/252/0/0 Pinsir (Lv. 68) (Nature: Adamant) (Moves: Throat Chop/Storm Throw/X-Scissor/Stone Edge) IVs: 30/30/30/30/30/30 EVs: 0/252/0/0/0/252 Masquerain (Lv. 68) (Nature: Modest) (Moves: Air Slash/Bug Buzz/Ice Beam/Energy Ball) IVs: 30/30/30/30/30/30 EVs: 0/0/0/252/0/252 Scizor (Lv. 68) (Nature: Adamant) (Moves: X-Scissor/Iron Head/Night Slash/Bullet Punch) IVs: 30/30/30/30/30/30 EVs: 0/252/0/0/0/252 That's a pretty brutal wall if you're just using random mons. This is also why a lot of Alola mons have worse reps than they probably should, in general they're slow and debuted in a generation with some of the harder NPC battles in the series.
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I've got neutral feelings towards most of the early route birds. Although Staraptor, Talonflame and Corviknight are easily the best. Honorable mentions go to Braviary, Altaria and Hawlucha. I don't really like Unfezant though. Took until Sword and Shield to finally train one for my living competitive dex.
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Braviary/Altaria/Hawlucha aren’t really what I’d consider early route birds, though. I do think Altaria is very unimpressive competitively. Stats are too even and the only noteworthy part of it is that it was the first Dragon type that didn’t require high levels or trade to get.
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https://twitter.com/LegoLostAtSea/status/1780850365891555684 Team Aqua will pay for this...
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It’s a sign, VGC Groudonbros… we’re taking that mf to Reg G
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Zore posted:Tbf SuMo/USUM are exceptions to this. Enemy teams do often get max IVs and EVs as the game goes on as well as good natures. It's mostly boss trainers that utilize EVs in gen 7. A lot of regular NPC trainers don't use EVs. That being said gen 7 is when enemy trainers started using EVs during the campaign. In previous gens only their IVs scaled.
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Okay, mammals are a pretty big group, so I’m going to tackle them piecemeal. But before mammals proper we have synapsids, which only contains 1 family. Venusaur. Monotremata contains 1 family. Golduck. Marupialia contains 3 families. Kangaskhan, Marowak, and Komala. Cingulata contains 1 family. Chesnaught. Pilosa contains 2 families. Slaking and Heatmor. Afrotheria contains 3 families. Mammoswine, Donphan/Iron Treads/ Great Tusk, and Copperajah. Mammoswine would also fit with the pigs, but I’m partial to it being a wooly mammoth. Eulipotyphla contains 4 families. Dugtrio, Excadrill, Shaymin, and Togedemaru. Chiroptera contains 3 families. Crobat, Swoobat, and Noivern. Pholidota contains 1 family. Sandslash.
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We will simply have to agree to disagree on whether or not the Cyndaquil line are echidnas.
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Cattail Prophet posted:We will simply have to agree to disagree on whether or not the Cyndaquil line are echidnas. Cyndaquil is echidna-like, but Typhlosion is more of a badger. I typically go by how the final form looks.
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The lines theme is “spiked mammals but the needles are fire” and goes Echidna>Porcupine>Honey Badger which are all completely different taxa (a monotreme, a rodent, and a mustelid) so it’s a hard line to classify.
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I figure Quilava resembled a mustelid too, its body is pretty weasel-shaped. Aligns with Typhlosion being a badger.
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i think they're just monsters
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oddium posted:i think they're just monsters Pokémon is a portmanteau of "Pocket Monsters"
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ApplesandOranges posted:I figure Quilava resembled a mustelid too, its body is pretty weasel-shaped. Aligns with Typhlosion being a badger. Nah it has the porcupines distinctive clusters of "Mohawk spines" and "Butt spines" 
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oddium posted:i think they're just monsters 
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Next up are the odd and even toed ungulates. Equidae contains 6 families. (5 if you lump Spectrier and Glastrier together.) Rapidash, Zebstrika, Keldeo, Mudsdale, Glastrier, and Spectrier. Tapiridae contains 2 families. Hypno and Musharna. I know they are both Baku, but they also look like tapirs. Rhinocerotidae contains 1 family. Rhyperior. Camelidae contains 1 family. Camerupt. Suidae contains 3 families. Grumpig, Emboar, and Oinkologne. Giraffidae contains 1 family. Farigiraf. Cervical contains 6 families. Wyrdeer, Sawsbuck, Cobalion/Iron Crown, Verizion/Iron Leaves, Xerneas, and Ting Lu. Bovidae contains 7 families. Tauros, Miltank, Bouffalant, Terrakion/Iron Boulder, Ampharos, Dubwool, and Gogoat. Hippopotamidae contains 1 family. Hippowdon. Cetacea contains 4 families. Wailord, Kyogre, Cetitan, and Palafin. We’re seriously missing some llama and alpaca Pokémon. Maybe they’re saving that for PokePeru. I’m also wanting a PokeAustralia to get some more marsupials. Another kangaroo, a quokka, a wombat, a Tasmanian devil, and maybe a Tasmanian tiger.
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Flamigo is a great addition to the early route birds.
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Nessa posted:I’m also wanting a PokeAustralia to get some more marsupials. Another kangaroo, a quokka, a wombat, a Tasmanian devil, and maybe a Tasmanian tiger. Every pokemon is poison/whatever
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Zore posted:Tbf SuMo/USUM are exceptions to this. Enemy teams do often get max IVs and EVs as the game goes on as well as good natures. Sableye (Lv. 43) (Nature: Impish) (Moves: Power Gem/Shadow Ball/Fake Out/(None)) IVs: 30/30/30/30/30/30 EVs: 0/0/0/252/252/0 Krokorok (Lv. 43) (Nature: Jolly) (Moves: Crunch/Assurance/Swagger/Earthquake) IVs: 30/30/30/30/30/30 EVs: 0/252/0/0/0/252 Persian-A (Lv. 44) @Darkinium Z (Nature: Timid) (Moves: Power Gem/Fake Out/Dark Pulse/(None)) IVs: 30/30/30/30/30/30 EVs: 0/0/0/252/0/252 Between the EVs and the Timid nature, that Persian-A is set up to be as fast as possible, as I discovered to my cost in Moon when I went "well Foxglove the Ribombee can take care of this", got outsped (basically the first time Foxglove had been outsped in the entire game, Ribombee is pretty drat fast after all) and one-shot with Power Gem. This combination of speed and Power Gem gives Nanu a lot of answers to many 'mons you might pick to counter him (any Bug type, Ninetales-A, Hawlucha maybe though I think fighting resists rock?) Then in Sun I had Bug Bertha the Golisopod and discovered that Fake Out's +3 priority beats First Impression's +2 priority and is basically a perfect counter to it. Note that both his Sableye and Persian-A have the moves Fake Out and Power Gem in their lineups. And honestly? This all works amazingly from a flavour point of view. Think about it: Nanu is a Dark-type user whose entire job hinges on keeping someone who's strong against Dark types (Guzma's Bug-type team) in check. Guzma's Golisopod is denied its best move and a sitting duck for Power Gem. I don't know whether Persian-A outspeeds Masquerain, but I wouldn't be surprised if that were the plan there too (and of course Masquerain is quad-weak to Rock). The Krokorok doesn't quite fit the pattern, but I'm assuming that flavour-wise that's for dealing with Plumeria (especially her quad-weak-to-Ground Salazzle). Fun stuff like this does make me sad that we don't get stuff like this in more recent games (I think the only EVs the AI gets in SV is 100 health EVs on their Tera-using ace? Which makes sense, you want it to be tough to take down to help showcase the whole Tera thing, but still feels like we're missing out on a lot. re PokéAustralia: I want to see a mon based on spinifex - grass/rock with an ability related to entry-hazards. Eucalytpus would be fun too - grass/fire, maybe an ability related to explosions. Paul.Power fucked around with this message at 13:39 on Apr 19, 2024 |
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Regular sumo doesn't go nearly as hard as ultra. It's maybe slightly more challenging than a normal game but not much Ultra they decided to try and break children and I kinda respect it
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I was still ten levels above everything until Poni Island; turns out switching 'mons does wonders to keep your team leveled, especially since everyone gets full exp for doing so At least the magneton line doesn't shatter the difficulty curve as bad as it did in SuMo, and you can get magnezone at a far more reasonable time
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mikeycp posted:Regular sumo doesn't go nearly as hard as ultra. It's maybe slightly more challenging than a normal game but not much It was amazing watching Ultra Necrozma end several Nuzlocke runs.
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