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Okay, here’s Carnivora. This one’s a big one. Musteloidea contains 12 families. Skuntank, Weavile/Sneasler, Mienshao, Chien-Pao, Furret, Linoone/Obstagoon, Typhlosion, Slowbro/Slowking, Floatzel, Samurott, Spinda, and Bewear. I decided that the Slows were some type of otter. Phocoidea contains 3 families. Dewgong, Walrein, and Primarina. Ursidae contains 5 families. Ursaluna, Beartic, Pangoro, Urshifu, and Snorlax. Let’s say Snorlax is a bear. Canidae contains 21 families. Manectric, Lucario, Lycanroc, Arcanine, Zacian, Zamazenta, Granbull, Houndoom, Smeargle, Stoutland, Furfrou, Bolthund, Dachsbun, Mabosstiff, Houndstone, Ninetales, Alakazam, Eevee, Zoroark, Delphox, and Thievul. Herpestoidea contains 7 families. Entei, Raikou, Suicune, Mightyena, Absol, Zangoose, and Gumshoos. Folks always argue over whether the beast trio are dogs or cats, so let’s split the difference and put them with the hyenas. Felidae contains 10 families. Persian/Perrserker, Delcatty, Purugly, Liepard, Meowstic, Meowscarada, Luxray, Pyroar, Incineroar, and Zeroara.
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Apr 19, 2024 22:34
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That's a lot of good dogs.
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Dugongs are Sirenians and actually ungulates most closely related to elephants. Dewgong even loses Seels Seal-like traits upon evolution. Also it’s literally named Dugong, even in Japanese. Another inconveniently multi-taxa line.
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Dewgong doesn’t look enough like an actual dugong for me to place it as a dugong. It still looks more like a seal than anything else to me.
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Huh, been a while since a gym leader in the anime gave someone a pity badge
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galagazombie posted:Of the route 1 birds Noctowl is not bad at all and I will not tolerate this. Ive taken one to the E4 in two different games now. Good bulk special wall with access to a lot of utility moves, recovery moves, and Tinted Lens means you can even go on the offensive against things that would normally resist. Next youre going to try and tell me Rabsca is a bad early bug.
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I will in fact tell you that, on the basis that it's not an early bug in the first place.
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Furnaceface posted:Noctowl is not bad at all and I will not tolerate this. Ive taken one to the E4 in two different games now. Good bulk special wall with access to a lot of utility moves, recovery moves, and Tinted Lens means you can even go on the offensive against things that would normally resist. I think overall any defensive pokemon with a status move and especially a healing move is gonna be overwhelmingly powerful in the main game, since it's tailored to the Typhlosion with Ember, Flame Wheel, Fire Punch and Flamethrower. I remember being so excited when I realized that Miltank could use Milk Drink as a field move and heal your party for free.
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Cattail Prophet posted:I will in fact tell you that, on the basis that it's not an early bug in the first place. You find them on the way to the second gym, thats early to me.  Muscle Tracer posted:I think overall any defensive pokemon with a status move and especially a healing move is gonna be overwhelmingly powerful in the main game, since it's tailored to the Typhlosion with Ember, Flame Wheel, Fire Punch and Flamethrower. I remember being so excited when I realized that Miltank could use Milk Drink as a field move and heal your party for free. Miltank getting Scrappy and Milk Drink ensured I had the same reaction. Ghosts? Stomp em!
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I wish my boy Typhlosion was better, but at least it's not Meganium.
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Larryb posted:Huh, been a while since a gym leader in the anime gave someone a pity badge If you're talking about the most recent episode, then the goal was for Liko to experience Terastalization, and she managed to pass this test. Now is probably the time for Liko to expand her repertoire of options. Right now Floragato mostly relies on Quick Attack and Magical Leaf, and Hatenna barely battles but knows Confusion and Heal Pulse.
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Zuzie posted:If you're talking about the most recent episode, then the goal was for Liko to experience Terastalization, and she managed to pass this test. Fair point, wouldn’t hurt for her to get a few more Pokemon on her team too. Still curious how Penny’s gonna fit into all this for that matter (she had no lines last week but she’s prominent in the OP which seems to indicate she’ll be a major character)
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ApplesandOranges posted:I wish my boy Typhlosion was better, but at least it's not Meganium. How dare Meganium is a good one-note trick plant pony with no moves and only good against types its super effective against and- 
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Vinylshadow posted:How dare One trick ponies can be fine if they had the offensive stats or nature to go with it (see Contrary Serperior). But Meganium has like... 82/83/80 offenses, it's just rough. And stuck with Overgrow or Leaf Guard. It's also one of only two fully evolved starters that doesn't break 90 in any of those offensive stats, the other being Blastoise.
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Apr 20, 2024 18:31
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Furnaceface posted:You find them on the way to the second gym, thats early to me.
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I took Squawkabilly all the way to the Elite 4. If you love your pokemon enough anything is possible. (It is odd that Squawks doesn't get an evolution though. It's another pokemon like Komala where it feels like it should just be a stage 1 of 2).
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Squawkabillty is just a new Farfetch'd (objectively cool, not great in battle), so I guess wait for it to get a regional form and evolution in a few generations.
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ApplesandOranges posted:One trick ponies can be fine if they had the offensive stats or nature to go with it (see Contrary Serperior). But Meganium has like... 82/83/80 offenses, it's just rough. And stuck with Overgrow or Leaf Guard. It's also one of only two fully evolved starters that doesn't break 90 in any of those offensive stats, the other being Blastoise. Contrary Serperior is the most fun braindead raiding mon of the gen, it's so dumb. Leaf Storm three times, keep Giga Draining forever. Oh your stats got reset too many times and you're out of Leaf Storm? Time to go Tera Stellar and just do the exact same thing yet again but slightly more slowly. This also makes it the mon that does the best job of self-boosting while also using Assault Vest. Even works against bosses with Taunt and Encore. Iconic.
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ApplesandOranges posted:One trick ponies can be fine if they had the offensive stats or nature to go with it (see Contrary Serperior). But Meganium has like... 82/83/80 offenses, it's just rough. And stuck with Overgrow or Leaf Guard. It's also one of only two fully evolved starters that doesn't break 90 in any of those offensive stats, the other being Blastoise. Serperior has 75/75 in its attacking stats. Non-Contrary Serperior is in strong contention for worst starter considering that and its garbage movepool. It doesn't even get the support moves or Earthquake like Meganium.
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Zore posted:Serperior has 75/75 in its attacking stats. Non-Contrary Serperior is in strong contention for worst starter considering that and its garbage movepool. It still has 115 Speed. Its movepool is still pretty bad but even without Contrary it has access to Coil and Scale Shot and a better physical option than Meganium in Leaf Blade, as well as Glare for paralysis. Meganium's best claim is access to Earthquake and Body Press. You could run a Curse set, but it's already got middling Speed and too many weaknesses.
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Zore posted:Serperior has 75/75 in its attacking stats. Non-Contrary Serperior is in strong contention for worst starter considering that and its garbage movepool. It doesn't even get the support moves or Earthquake like Meganium. Coil alone means it clears Meganium is usefulness.
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Serperior owns, as does Arbok. Sorry, HATERS.
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Serp was a premiere subseeder, the most honorable strategy
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ApplesandOranges posted:It still has 115 Speed. Its movepool is still pretty bad but even without Contrary it has access to Coil and Scale Shot and a better physical option than Meganium in Leaf Blade, as well as Glare for paralysis. Scale Shot wasn't a thing until Gen 8. In Gen V itself its best non-STAB attacking moves were Aerial Ace and Dragon Tail.
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Serperior is the ultimate Button Clicker. You just click the button and hope the opponent doesn't have one of the 6 types that resists the button.Countblanc posted:Serp was a premiere subseeder, the most honorable strategy My go-to Honourable Strategy was SubToxic Salazzle. Corrosion is one of those funny abilities that can make someone stop for a second and desperately google what it does.
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Moved some legendaries into Home from AS today. So the lights are still on for now
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Serperior better because it is a cool snake* and that’s all there is to it!!! *it may be a legless lizard.
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Cambria Bold posted:Serperior is the ultimate Button Clicker. You just click the button and hope the opponent doesn't have one of the 6 types that resists the button. i've been playing pokerogue this week at work and the number of times i've had to look up a move or ability i've never heard of despite playing this game casually and competitively since day 1 is frankly embarrassing though in my defense probably 90% of them are signature moves/abilities of cover legendaries that i've never actually seen in a match lol
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I've played enough random bullshit off-smogon/VGC competitive that I more or less know things off intuition. One time in a multi-battle tournament I got matched up against two VGC tryhards who both had Incineroar and I made the hardest matchup call of all time and led Wigglytuff expecting them to both pick their Incineroars. They did exactly that, Wigglytuff picked up a +4 Sp. Attack boost thanks to its ability (Competitive, +2 Sp. Attack whenever a stat is lowered. Incineroar has Intimidate) and my partner clicked Trick Room and we proceeded to sweep. it was glorious. It was a best-of-3 set and we lost the next two games. I may know things about the video game, but that doesn't make me good at it.
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Meganium is mostly a victim of circumstance tbh. The second generation was very much designed to be the big sequel of the first set of games. They honestly thought it would be the last one before everyone moved onto something else, so quite a few decisions were made so that it would work in tandem with those older titles, mainly the fact that the player could travel into the world of the older games and challenge their gyms after a time skip, so to not repeat gyms, all the Gyms in Johto were types not represented by Gyms in Kanto. Another thing was that the big bad Team Rocket is back and causing trouble again with their endless number of poison types, the type that was typecasted to be a "villainous" type before Dark types were introduced. One other decision was that in Gen 1, almost all the Grass types were dual types except for the weirdo Tangela. So the decision to add more pure grass types was also made for more type variety. On top of all that, there was barely a competitive scene and while the Psychic type was given massive nerfs in the form of two new types, they didn't do a whole lot for Grass Pokemon. Maybe introduce Weather conditions and had one that was a double-edged sword for Grass types where they could make Solarbeam a single use move, but also made fire type moves stronger. Unfortunately for poor Meganium all these things were a perfect storm that made it such a poor choice for a starter, the Pokemon most kids would rely on for most of their journey. The reputation stuck around and over the years, better optimized Grass Pokemon and Starters were introduced, but nothing was given that would help it rise out of mediocrity.
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Meganium has a good niche in Gen4 as being an HM slave that you give a single grass move in case someone throws out a Quagsire/Whiscash/Gastrodon.
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The Meganium in the New Pokemon Snap is one of the best parts of that game.
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Rich Uncle Chet posted:The Meganium in the New Pokemon Snap is one of the best parts of that game. How so? I still haven't got to that game.
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Let’s do the last of the mammals. Lagomorphs, Rodents, and Primates. Lagomorpha contains 10 families. Nidoqueen/Nidoking, Azumaril, Plusle/Minun, Lopunny, Victini, Audino, Indeedee, Diggersby, Cinderace, and Calyrex. Rodentia contains 12 families. Bibarel, Raticate, Raichu, Dedenne, Maushold, Morpeko, Cinccino, Pachirisu, Greedent, Watchog, and Pawmot. Lemuroidea contains 3 families. Passimian, Zarude, and Graffaiai. Simiiformes contains 6 families. Ambipom, Infernape, Simisear, Simipour, Simisage and Medicham. Homidoidea contains 4 families. Annihilape, Darmanitan, Oranguru, and Rillaboom.
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While I’m at it, let’s do the last of them. The Demons and the Fairies. Demons Daemonidae contains 4 families. Electivire, Magmortar, Exploud, and Zygarde. Yokaiidae contains 5 families. Jynx, Mawile, Glalie/Froslass, Wobuffet, Chimecho, and Garbodor. Honestly, I could put a lot more Pokémon here that are also based on Yokai. Homonidae contains 9 families. Mr. Mime/ Mr. Rime, Machamp, Hitmonchan/Hitmonlee/Hitmontop, Hariyama/Iron Hands, Sawk, Throh, Conkeldurr, Kingambit, and Ceruledge/Armarouge. Impidae contains 1 family. Grimmsnarl. Djinnidae contains 5 families. Hoopa, Thunderus, Landorus, Tornadus and Enamorus. Unownidae contains 4 families. Unown, Electrode, Sigilyph, and Falinks. Fairies Fairidae contains 3 families. Clefable, Wigglytuff/Scream Tail, and Blissey. Avemimidae contains 2 families. Togekiss and Aromatisse. Pixidae contains 9 families. Celebi, Jirachi, Uxie, Mespirit, Azelf, Tapu Koko, Tapu Finni, Tapu Bulu, Tapu Lele. Gynobellidae contains 5 families. Gardevoir/Gallade/Iron Valliant, Gothitelle, Meloetta, Hatterene, and Tinkaton. Cresselidae contains 1 family. Cresselia. Floradae contains 2 families. Florges and Comfey. Saccharinidae contains 2 families. Slurpuff and Alcreamie. Most everything else is categorized as “other” for being digital, manmade, space aliens, extra dimensional beings, or creator beings. Nessa fucked around with this message at 05:38 on Apr 21, 2024 |
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Loudred is the middle evo, Exploud is the final. Going to nitpick because its one of my favourite Pokemon in general.
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Meganium also suffered from weak offensive stats and a shallow movepool. Typhlosion (who is also kind of meh competitvely) at least copied Charizard's statline so it can hurt things.
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On the topic of gen 2 stuff, I say this anytime this comes up but i'd be cool with them going back and rebalancing gen 2 build wise a bit. Outside the babies, the stuff that got future evolutions and the handful of actually competent and usable stuff already in the gen, almost everything else feels notably worst in class across the gens. Which sucks. So many cute designs that gen that just don't have the stats to hit or survive much of anything, or that don't have any standout abilities or redeeming movesets.
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Crawfish posted:On the topic of gen 2 stuff, I say this anytime this comes up but i'd be cool with them going back and rebalancing gen 2 build wise a bit. I mean at this point the only Gen 2 mons that didn't get a later gen evo or regional form and actually need a boost are like... Meganium, Noctowl, Furret, Ariados, Sunflora, Octillery and Ledian. Add in Unown and Delibird if you want to fix the gimmick mons, but I think Iron Bundle is probably the best compromise for 'fixing' Delibird.
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