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VOTE1 posted:I hope Demko’s injury means the Canucks can get back to tanking (even if he wad accidentally helping a bit) without getting Bruce fired. I don't think there's any saving Bruce and it's not because he deserves it. Demko being out long-term and Vancouver getting a lovely coach would do wonders for the tank.
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I sincerely hope someone in the Caps front office is making plans for being sellers at the deadline. They haven't really had to do it since 2007.
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The Dirty Burger posted:Seeing Kevin Bahl’s name will always be a funny reminder that the Coyotes traded for Taylor Hall lol, John Chayka sucked rear end someone do this to Markstrom
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Chad Sexington posted:I sincerely hope someone in the Caps front office is making plans for being sellers at the deadline. They haven't really had to do it since 2007. They don't really have anything that good for sale either.
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Jamwad Hilder posted:They don't really have anything that good for sale either. They have Orlov and Jensen. They could potentially both get first round picks. Well at least in the universe where Ben Chiarot got a first round pick. Wild cards are Kuznetsov and Carlson but those types of deals are usually offseason trades. Not that either are great any more but maybe reputation gets good returns for one. It was mentioned on Seravalli’s podcast but trading Wilson would be a fun thought experiment too. You know GMs would trip all over themselves to get him, and I’m not really sure Washington should be looking to re-sign him when he’s a 30 year old UFA next year. You know some team if going to offer him like 7 x $7 million.
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Give me Leon nutcrackin' in between Evander Kane and Tom Wilson
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Mind_Taker posted:They have Orlov and Jensen. They could potentially both get first round picks. Well at least in the universe where Ben Chiarot got a first round pick. Yeah I think Orlov might get a good return, and maybe Mantha if they decide to cut bait on him after just a year. I don't think Jensen will get a first just because Chiarot did, although obviously the Caps would be wise to play that up. Otherwise it seems like it's a lot of older depth players who probably only get you mid-round picks and longshot prospects in return. Strome seems like an interesting candidate, he's been playing well but he's also 25 and could theoretically be part of the next Caps team if they think they can retool on the fly and be in the playoff picture again in 2-3 years Wilson, Kuznetsov, and Carlson would all net pretty big returns but I have a hard time seeing any of them traded. I think the Capitals, if they acknowledge there's a problem at all, will only commit to the aforementioned Retool/Rebuild on the fly model that seems to rarely work. I doubt they trade any of those three if that's the case. .
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mennoknight posted:someone do this to Markstrom Letting in bad goals is one thing, but Markstrom forced his teammate to defend him after he instigated poo poo with Josh Anderson trying to be a tough guy goalie like Binnington and they scored the gwg on the ensuing roughing penalty lol What a fall-off from last year, the Oilers destroyed his brain in the playoffs
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Jamwad Hilder posted:Yeah I think Orlov might get a good return, and maybe Mantha if they decide to cut bait on him after just a year. I don't think Jensen will get a first just because Chiarot did, although obviously the Caps would be wise to play that up. Otherwise it seems like it's a lot of older depth players who probably only get you mid-round picks and longshot prospects in return. Strome seems like an interesting candidate, he's been playing well but he's also 25 and could theoretically be part of the next Caps team if they think they can retool on the fly and be in the playoff picture again in 2-3 years They already look like a team that is retooling on the fly. And if they stay in the mode, there's no way they move significant pieces like Wilson, Orlov or even Jensen. Because you can't lose them and get better signing UFAs, so they're kind of stuck. If I were to put money on it, I can see them trading like... Sonny Milano and Conor Sheary for late-round picks and just eating poo poo.
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If a team like the Caps wants to sell, they should be selling now not at the deadline if an acceptable return is to be had, to maximize their Bedard lottery tickets. But they are not going to sell, because of Ovechkin. Just like the Penguins aren't going to sell as long as Crosby is there. Both teams will be buyers this year.
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DJExile posted:Torts just called Chuck and the front office the gently caress out lmao He's going to become a cult hero in Philadelphia if he keeps this up.
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DJExile posted:Torts just called Chuck and the front office the gently caress out lmao
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fisting by many posted:The difference between the Flyers and WC2 is .438 and .583 P% Worked for the Phillies
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mennoknight posted:someone do this to Markstrom I’d just rather our team get hit enough to learn how to score.
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Eric the Mauve posted:If a team like the Caps wants to sell, they should be selling now not at the deadline if an acceptable return is to be had, to maximize their Bedard lottery tickets. I'm fine with the Caps mortgaging their future to keep watching Ovi sock dingers. And I think Caps fans are too.
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Spelling Mitsake posted:I'm fine with the Caps mortgaging their future to keep watching Ovi sock dingers. And I think Caps fans are too. Yup, but they should move Carlson if there’s a buyer. That bloated contract has to come off the books cause his value is just going to get worse.
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I agonized over whether to renew my tickets after the Kraken's disaster first season. So glad I ended up doing it and hyped to see them at #3 in point percentage in the NHL right now. They might be overperforming but they definitely don't suck!
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DancingMachine posted:I agonized over whether to renew my tickets after the Kraken's disaster first season. So glad I ended up doing it and hyped to see them at #3 in point percentage in the NHL right now. They might be overperforming but they definitely don't suck! Trust me *points at Hakstol* just give it time
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Jake Voracek may be cooked from hot brains: https://twitter.com/Aportzline/status/1598754994559254547?t=w1q7IR7VCh2U3g-O6r0Zqg&s=19
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Spelling Mitsake posted:I'm fine with the Caps mortgaging their future to keep watching Ovi sock dingers. And I think Caps fans are too. 100%
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DancingMachine posted:I agonized over whether to renew my tickets after the Kraken's disaster first season. So glad I ended up doing it and hyped to see them at #3 in point percentage in the NHL right now. They might be overperforming but they definitely don't suck! They are. They kind of do/kind of don't. The west is a gigantic floating pile of garbage though so they'll very likely make the playoffs. Congrats.
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rex rabidorum vires posted:They are. They kind of do/kind of don't. The west is a gigantic floating pile of garbage though so they'll very likely make the playoffs. Congrats. They're 4-1 vs. the east though to be fair they haven't played the best teams in the East. (Carolina - L, Penguins, Penguins, Rangers, Capitals). They're 2-2 against the other good teams in the west (Jets, Avalanche, Knights, have not played the Stars). I'm not sure "The West sucks" is a reason to think Kraken are frauds. Shooting percentage and iffy goaltending seem like reasons to me to be skeptical they can maintain the current pace, but the 5 on 5 numbers look pretty good and it would be surprising if they lost more than they won going forward wouldn't it?
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CBJSprague24 posted:Jake Voracek may be cooked from hot brains: miller for voracek. who says no??
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A friend sent me this and lmao https://twitter.com/NHLhistorygirl/status/695646039609462786
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Spelling Mitsake posted:I'm fine with the Caps mortgaging their future to keep watching Ovi sock dingers. And I think Caps fans are too. I think he’s going to score a lot regardless if they sell off or not. Yeah they need to keep some guys around like Strome and maybe like Oshie for leadership or whatever but I don’t really think Ovie relies on guys like Mantha, Kuznetsov, and Carlson as much as we might think.
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DancingMachine posted:They're 4-1 vs. the east though to be fair they haven't played the best teams in the East. (Carolina - L, Penguins, Penguins, Rangers, Capitals). They're 2-2 against the other good teams in the west (Jets, Avalanche, Knights, have not played the Stars). I'm not sure "The West sucks" is a reason to think Kraken are frauds. Shooting percentage and iffy goaltending seem like reasons to me to be skeptical they can maintain the current pace, but the 5 on 5 numbers look pretty good and it would be surprising if they lost more than they won going forward wouldn't it? No one wants another page(s) worth of Rex talking about the Kraken and Dave Hakstol.
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rex rabidorum vires posted:No one wants another page(s) worth of Rex talking about the Kraken and Dave Hakstol. You could probably get away with just quoting the last time you did it. They haven't really changed their zonal play or breakouts at all. It's just super loose most of the time and there really isn't competition in the Pacific at all. They're finishing better than last year, but the o-zone is still reliant on breaking fast and hoping the D can't get set up. Cycle game is still pretty middling a lot of the time, but a little better than last year. They still have trouble with teams who play a good structured game though, and that's Hakstol hockey going back to NoDak.
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DancingMachine posted:They're 4-1 vs. the east though to be fair they haven't played the best teams in the East. (Carolina - L, Penguins, Penguins, Rangers, Capitals). They're 2-2 against the other good teams in the west (Jets, Avalanche, Knights, have not played the Stars). I'm not sure "The West sucks" is a reason to think Kraken are frauds. Shooting percentage and iffy goaltending seem like reasons to me to be skeptical they can maintain the current pace, but the 5 on 5 numbers look pretty good and it would be surprising if they lost more than they won going forward wouldn't it? Looking up and down their roster there's quite a few players I would feel real comfortable betting that they won't continue producing at their current pace. Maybe not everybody regresses at the same time, and they can keep it moving along. Or they could pretty easily hit a streak where they lose 10 in a row.
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They'll be fine even if their production drops because their conference is poo poo and they defend quite well. They're absolutely gonna make the playoffs. They're doing all of this in spite of pretty poor goaltending still, too. They're just a good team in a bad conference.
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Eric the Mauve posted:I do! Jhet posted:You could probably get away with just quoting the last time you did it. They haven't really changed their zonal play or breakouts at all. It's just super loose most of the time and there really isn't competition in the Pacific at all. They're finishing better than last year, but the o-zone is still reliant on breaking fast and hoping the D can't get set up. Cycle game is still pretty middling a lot of the time, but a little better than last year. They still have trouble with teams who play a good structured game though, and that's Hakstol hockey going back to NoDak. The Seattle Kraken HAVE THEY TURNED A CORNER OR ARE THEY idk the same but not. Starting with really simple obvious things - Last year the Kraken shot 8.9% and had .880sv% in all situations. League average was 9.8% and .902. At 5v5 they finished at a 7.5% clip and received .908 goaltending. Both under performance's relative to league averages with (as has been outlined previously) their 'goaltending' being worst or near worst in the league. Hockey Ref lists the Seattle Kraken as a -36 of actual outcomes vs expected outcomes while Nat Stat puts them at -26. Additionally, both powerplay and penalty kill clocked in about 6% lower than league average. Other sort of random things I'm going to note (because if I write them here it's easier to compare them) - 44% actual goals for while 48% expected. Scoring chances a dead heat at about 25 per 60 for/against with high dangers ending at 9.75 for and 10.3 against per 60. Despite this 48.5% split the Kraken ended the year with only 41% High Danger goals for because of 4th worst in the league shooting% on high dangers and 3rd worst sv% on high danger. That brings us to today. Here. Now. All hail the Hakstol blah blah the Kraken are flying. 2nd in their conference nipping at the heels of the resurgent Vegas Knights, a +17 goal differential, a 5th best in the league total points, and 3rd best in the league points %. So have they turned a corner. Are they for real. Was Hakstol unfairly maligned and we had to suffer all those Rex  ban him! Sort of, ish, and no Dave Hakstol go back to college!Starting with simple stuff. Turns out when you take a team that was shooting 8.9% and 7.5% 5v5 AND THEN they shoot 13.1% in all situations and 10% at 5v5 they get a huge jump in goal production. Earth shattering...I know. Both are over-performances on league average of 3 and 2% respectively. In addition to that, the Kraken's goaltending has also improved from .880 to .889 (lol), but from .908 to .920 at 5v5. Currently the Kraken are a +7 actual vs expected per Hockey Ref's numbers and +14 per Nat Stat's numbers. Along with those improvements the powerplay has also jumped from ghastly to near top of the league (6th currently). The PK still sucks at 4th in the league. That is a big hang up. In terms of xG the Kraken are 'fine' with a 52.33% expected outcomes. This is more todo with their shot volume than their chance creation though. Seattle is a coin flip chance team. This is slightly an improvement (from last years 48.6 to 49.66% this year) and the rate of chances are 28 per 60 for and against. The high danger department shows another slight improvement with a very slightly edge in Seattle's favor and relative to last season we see the opposite happening....50% high danger chances for and 60% high danger goals for. High Danger shooting % has rocketed to 22% (2nd best in league) and goaltending has improved to a respectable mid-table. Currently Seattle sits top of the NHL at 5v5 shooting% and are comfortably average in 5v5 goaltending. What to expect - well I would expect regression towards the mean. Morgan Geekie, Matthew Berniers, and Jared McCann will not be shooting 23 to 26% all year. Jamie Oleksiak will go from shooting 36% closer to his career average of 6%. Even contributing players like Sprong and Schwartz are shooting 4 to 6% ahead of their career averages. There will be a lot of coming down to earth here. Yes the Kraken have decent enough underlyings. They are aren't scoring 60% of the goal 5v5 good though (that's New Jersey and New Jersey only. Boston will probably end up 57% actual and 55% expected as they seem to do year in year out). When the regression comes and how the team handles it will dictate how things end. If you're rolling and feeling good that will only inspire more confidence. When they hit a bump though...how they respond will say a lot about this team. Either way I think they're making the playoffs because their conference is the worst in the NHL and the Kraken already have a 9 point gap on WC2. Seriously though the entire western conference is horrific. Enjoy it now. rex rabidorum vires fucked around with this message at 01:51 on Dec 3, 2022 |
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Appreciate the effort post, thanks! I am still new to hockey so I'm not sure how to accurately interpret the play I am seeing but it sure is more fun watching wins than losses. I figured I would have to sit through a couple more losing seasons before the team became at all competitive. So if they end up making the playoffs and being like a 4 seed I will be pretty happy.
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VOTE1 posted:Guess this means Demko is broken properly. Please use this as an excuse to trade Myers And Garland And Pearson And Miller And Ekman-Larsson And Poolman
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Even with a regression they'll probably end up 2nd or 3rd in their division. The Kraken have a solid gap of 7 points on Edmonton with a game in hand and 3 points and 3 games in hand on next closest LA. On course for a Hakstol 6 game first round exit then. Probably.
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Mind_Taker posted:I think he’s going to score a lot regardless if they sell off or not. Yeah they need to keep some guys around like Strome and maybe like Oshie for leadership or whatever but I don’t really think Ovie relies on guys like Mantha, Kuznetsov, and Carlson as much as we might think. Yeah I'm not sure what mortgaging the future gets Ovi exactly goals-wise. I guess you do need a PP1 with enough threats that the PK can't just drape a defender on him. (That's what was happening when Oshie was out.) But unless you can trade futures for a time machine to go back and get the 2009 Nicklas Backstrom... what's the play exactly? Ah, who am I kidding, they're not going to do poo poo except trade McMichael for some Martin Erat motherfucker at the deadline that will do nothing. The interesting thing is what they do in the off-season with all the UFAs coming off the books.
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