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hooman posted:If I had access to someone with first hand experience I wouldn't have the problem of being unsure what reporting to believe, you get that, right? It just feels like if someone claims there's a huge genocide against their people, and it's coming from multiple sources. If I didn't trust those sources, before I spouted off my big stupid mouth about how that genocide even might maybe be a lie, I'd put in some leg work to verify my suspicions.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzRHT_FayD0 drat you hipsters!
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Vaxatious Litigant posted:Vaxatious Litigant's 2024 Predictions! Mostly posting so I can look it up at the end of the year to see how many came true
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Konomex posted:It just feels like if someone claims there's a huge genocide against their people, and it's coming from multiple sources. If I didn't trust those sources, before I spouted off my big stupid mouth about how that genocide even might maybe be a lie, I'd put in some leg work to verify my suspicions. How much of the US reporting do you believe verbatim regarding Ukraine and Russia, and Israel and Palestine? How about those WMDs that every media source available was saying were in Iraq? I was young enough to believe that at the time (I still didn't think it justified an invasion) because I had no access to anything else. A level of skepticism about the general positioning of media is warranted. Freebooter very helpfully pointed me towards a source that I can trust and have looked at that, and yeah, now I do know. Telling me to ask a person I have no access to, and getting mad at me because I haven't, when I have seen interviews with Uyghurs saying both things still isn't loving useful. Also it's not a member of a minority group's job to answer my loving dumbass questions about geopolitical situations. Resources like amnesty are much more appropriate. Don't call me dumb because your post was bad, call me dumb because I didn't think to look at amnesty myself.
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hooman posted:How much of the US reporting do you believe verbatim regarding Ukraine and Russia, and Israel and Palestine? You've got two people of an ethnic minority saying diametrically opposed things. One says there is a genocide, they have lost contact with their family. The other says there is no genocide, people are just getting free government education. Who to believe? Besides which, you don't need to hunt them down to interview them - though you could. With some basic research you can go see what they've already said. You can check out their refugee claims. You can listen to what the UN has to say. Amnesty international. You can find primary and secondary sources that aren't media sources. There's a dozen ways you can handle it rather then denying a genocide. If you want to be lazy, just lean on the side that never denies a genocide. I don't think I've ever bothered to read American news when there are far better options for International reporting. And when we went to war in Iraq I was 12 and was pretty certain Howard and Bush were lying through their teeth. The idea Iraq had WMD was ridiculous, on top of that, it was Saudi Arabia that had clear links to the 9/11 terrorists at the time.
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Of course, China isn't even restraining themselves to just the Uyghurs. They've been reinventing the concept of residential schools. Roughly 1 million Tibetan children have been separated from their families and forcibly placed into state-run boarding schools But no, China would never do a genocide. On wait. UN finally report on human rights violations against the Uyghurs in China. quote:China may have committed crimes against humanity in Xinjiang - UN report
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Found this old post from the China thread if anyone want so see the detention centres for themselves and not have to worry about "propaganda".Megillah Gorilla posted:Some brave soul did a road trip of all the detention centres to see what was actually there. One post which has stayed with me said the Holocaust is the extreme end of what genocide is, not the standard. People trying to minimise what the Chinese government is doing keep going back to the "not literally throwing people into ovens", but that's not what most genocides are. Most genocides are breaking up families, erasing culture and language, preventing people from accessing healthcare, education or self determination. Taking away freedom of movement. The worse ones involve mass incarceration, sterilisation, violence and rape. That's where the CCP stands. Megillah Gorilla fucked around with this message at 13:39 on Jan 6, 2024 |
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Dude needs to go to windscreens O'Brien.
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Konomex posted:You've got two people of an ethnic minority saying diametrically opposed things. One says there is a genocide, they have lost contact with their family. The other says there is no genocide, people are just getting free government education. Who to believe? What I have bolded is the useful part of this. You will note, this was not included in your original post. This is what someone else helpfully directed me towards. Also I have at no point said there was not a genocide, I have said, repeatedly, that I had seen conflicting things and did not know. Now I do, don't put words in my mouth. Are you confusing me with someone who said there definitely wasn't a genocide, because I have not made that case whatsoever? Megillah Gorilla posted:thread Thank you for this I will give this a watch/read.
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Megillah Gorilla posted:Of course, China isn't even restraining themselves to just the Uyghurs. Have you considered that it might be a nice, friendly genocide?
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Wheezle posted:Have you considered that it might be a nice, friendly genocide? The only moral gneocide is my genocide.
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#Notallgenocides
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Laserface posted:#Notallgenocides #sometimesagain
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Keep this thread open in 2024 as a containment zone for whatever this is
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You’d need to rename it though. Auspol: Nauru edition
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