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Electric Wrigglies
Feb 6, 2015

Blockchain has applications outside cryptocoin, especially in supply chain.

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Electric Wrigglies
Feb 6, 2015

norp posted:

When you use it outside of the cryptocoin bullshit you can probably use the name it was given in the 70s - Merkle tree

Come now, using up to date marketing speak is not exactly unheard of. Literally Merkle tree is used in bitcoin so imma gonna go ahead and hazard a guess that Merkle tree is part of the syllabus.

Ranter posted:

In the supply chain context, what's the difference between 'blockchain' and any other distributed database software that we all agree to use? Like I just make my SQL DB API accessible to anyone I want. Why is ETH better?

I would probably have to take a Merkle tree course or some other course that provides education in electronic tokens, hash tag tech etc to give a good answer. I hear RMIT offers something like that.

Electric Wrigglies
Feb 6, 2015

Ranter posted:

How many tens/hundreds of thousands are y'all in rn? Why can't you answer a simple question with a simple answer?

tl;dr you're in deep lol

The only thing I know about blockchain is a course run by our BI team with Boston Consulting Group on digital revolution. I was busy with other stuff so didn't attend a lot but it ranged from blockchain, machine learning, data warehousing, cloud architecture and virtual software provision, data analytics, etc.

I am so afraid of investment that I don't even own exchange traded funds or shares of any kind let alone bitcoin. Instead, my industry fund super and an entirely inappropriate amount of cash sitting in a commbank account.

TLDR, you guessed wrong.

Electric Wrigglies
Feb 6, 2015

heh, when I first seen the scheme, my first thought was "huh, this will be great, psychologies can just focus on the patients they like, overservicing them at the expense of new and remote patients"

Reading that article, they seem to have analysis to say that is exactly what happened.

Electric Wrigglies
Feb 6, 2015

Recoome posted:

The tl;dr is that we have a system "designed" by a bunch of people who never had to go through the hoops that currently-trained psychs have to go through and it really ratfucks us and society/people that rely on it. If the ALP had announced greater funding to address how psychs are trained then maybe it wouldn't have been such an issue but again it's a combination of psychs that are counselling/clinical are poo poo at self-advocacy and the ALP being dumb as gently caress.

Thanks, really good explanation.

The issue for me is not funding. It is about stripping out gatekeeping for gatekeeping's sake. Surely a 4+2 Psych with years of experience and up to date professional updating education (which is already quite the requirement in medical fields in QLD as far as I understand) can be transitioned over to clinically qualified without consuming tertiary institution education resources (which a lot we know will be overlap).

Sure, I can sit here and say that I would rather be treated by a 4+2 that has gone through a 5+1 as well to become clinically qualified (as opposed to RPL most, train the gaps) and just say the simple solution is that government should just ramp up the resources to deliver 5+1 for all, but I can think of many, many things that those resources could be put towards that provide the same sort of incremental risk reduction at a demographic scale.

The same gatekeeping is in place for foreign trained professionals, except it's much easier to amplify the disaster of each time a mistake is made by an immigrant as opposed to a mistake made by a ridgy didge Aussie. If you want the news the general theme is immigrants make mistakes (often getting named, a photo so you can see where they come from, etc like Patel) the system let everyone down when locals made the mistake (hospital is looking into why multiple poor outcomes like ward 10B in FNQ without naming names even though obviously one or two people were core to what went wrong)

Medicine is a field that likes to eat its young (the US system of 24 and 36 hr shifts for junior doctors is just bonkers) but it is slowly getting better, I think.

Electric Wrigglies
Feb 6, 2015

The thing I don't understand with nurses is their pathological dislike for fixed rosters. It just removes so much drama when you have your 5:2:4:3 or 2 N/S, 2 D/S, 4 off or 5/5/5 or whatever and leave it to the crews to swap around shifts amongst themselves for special needs if they have consummed all their leave or were too slow to put in for it (assuming maximum two per crew off for a given day for eg). The crews then get assembled to work as a consistent team and there can't be argument over who got what public holiday.

Instead, it is a system where (depending on the matron or hospital) everyone puts in for shifts and it is divvied up on seniority or first in first served, matrons favorites or other hair brained scheme that shits on the meak or new.

The other farcical situation is that where Christmas fell on weekends, the purple circle would work the Thursday and Friday public holiday (and hence attract the Xmas penalty rates) and the plebs would work Christmas day and boxing day and only get normal weekend penalty rates.

Electric Wrigglies
Feb 6, 2015

NTRabbit posted:

In my (admittedly private, not public) experience there are way more nurses on casual rather than permanent contracts, seemingly so that they can be on the books for 3 or 4 employers, and take or drop shifts for them in order of highest to lowest rate on any given day, and also be able to work every single day of the week for a month at a time while dodging fatigue concerns that would otherwise force a full time permanent nurse to take 2 days off every week. Nursing has basically turned into multiboxing food delivery drivers to make ends meet.


This is the day/night 4 week roster all the guards at Serco run detention centres on 12 hour shifts use, it's a pretty reasonable sort of pattern

I can understand, if not support the pursuit of massive hours (old timers didn't fight for 40 hour week on the premise of two jobs and normalizing two jobs is asking for something we don't really want) but even outside that, I have yet to meet a nurse that was not weirdly opposed to fixed rosters. My mum has enjoyed her seven shift fortnights for like 20 years and refuses to do an additional shift unless it's to help another nurse, she complains about weirdo one day, two evening, one day off, two nights, four days off, one night, two days off style of roster when it gets foisted upon her for doing some nefarious thing like get implied permeance converted to permanent contracts for other nurses that want it as the union rep and yet it will be over her dead body will she admit to any value to fixed rosters. Maybe it is to give the option as you suggest.

My favourite roster I worked was 12 hours, two days, two nights, four days off. I like just doing two night shifts as you don't fully change over before back on days.

The 3n,2o,2n,3o,2n,4d,7o,3n looks pretty cool though (I assume the green is night shifts) - take 3 days off and get a 12 day break is pretty good - with the 20 shifts of a year, I could take six - 12 day breaks a year and use the last two days for emergencies. Or if going overseas (really want three weeks), you can trade two 12 day breaks for one 21 day break. Yeah, I really like that roster.

Electric Wrigglies
Feb 6, 2015

Recoome posted:

I think it's actually really good to chuck it all on the table. I came across an opinion by a ALP-er to the effect of "the only people caring about this change is the people in the industry" and that really resonated with me, basically because there's really little visibility on how loving insane the whole situation within psychology is outside of the profession. What was a seismic shift in the way psychs were trained (the axing of the 4+2) didn't register at all outside the profession because it's just a huge mess.

I can't bold this enough. You really hit all the points I could make more eloquently but I completely agree with this. Resolving this schism will also allow us to focus on non-counselling and clinical psychology (like Organisational, Sport, Health, Ed/Dev, Forensic) which basically get chucked to the wayside and don't get any advocacy/playtme. In some cases we lost one of the few organisational psych programs because I really feel we gently caress around and do ourselves, and society, a disservice.

Any goons who have read this far and actually feel something please write to your local MP about what the gently caress happened to those extra sessions because I do believe it's just widening the gulf between people who can afford mental healthcare and people who roll the dice in either taking the 10 sessions a year or potentially have to wait until they are extremely, extremely acute and go inpatient. The cost of treating people in a MH inpatient service far outweighs the cost of the BAS so the whole situation is just loving dumb.

I really enjoyed the discussion and I thought about why the ALP seems to have a pathological dislike for psychology. I can only come up with the old school Union resistance to the post grad professions like the AMA who overwhelmingly support Liberal despite being a glorified union themselves. That and it's plainly obvious that the civil war is at least partially about the clinically registered psychs working to pull up the ladder or gatekeep the numbers of Psychs, most of which demographic health need to be technically competent professionals applying the latest knowledge/best practice as opposed to research or academic study specialists.

I see a similar thing in my old alma matter, the old Mr X or Ms Y no longer lecturing their specialty subject matter expertise because PhD being a minimum requirement to be a Uni lecturer so now the same subjects are instead presented by PhD havers with no specialist or deep understanding of the subject matter other than what is required in general in the industry. Not to say that lesser education is better, just that it is not strictly better to add additional years of pure education. I really think the crossover from pure education to practical exposure + updating training is late then it needs to be as a means to gate keep (also, I did it this way, so shall the young).

Here is my idea, 20 sessions of non-clinically registered psych made available, or 10 sessions of clinically registered. Once the associations sort themselves out and get a sensible proposal to unify the registration without adding years of retraining, then we can talk about methodical systems to ensure the number of sessions is unlimited where required but inherently targets discontinuing sessions where a reasonable expectation of efficacy is not there.

Electric Wrigglies
Feb 6, 2015

Capt.Whorebags posted:

You'd probably get away with doing WWII re-enactments dressed as a member of the Afrika Korps because you thought Rommel was a military genius, but I'd recommend staying home for the Waffen SS club nights.

I agree you would probably get away with it but I think it would be ill-advised to dress up in any German (or Italian or Japanese) uniform. Agreed that it is much worse to have the Gestapo dress gear on but the days of running amok as a youth and it not being stored for use later on against you is over.

I have mates that cleaned up their social media of pictures of them smoking. It was not a big deal at all 10 years ago to be a smoker but in another twenty or thirty, it might be a hit in electoral/job chances as being so dumb as to smoke when in uni or whatever.

Electric Wrigglies
Feb 6, 2015

Laserface posted:

Vapes are basically everywhere. It's acceptable. Smoking is only on the way out because of the cost.

huh, I thought there was a hate on them. Bad example then.

Next one is pure breed pets, something that is likely from a breeder as opposed to an animal rescue bitsa (unless it is a service dog in which case there is a very good reason blind dogs are specifically bred).

Electric Wrigglies
Feb 6, 2015

I understand from a convenience, cost and personal taste grounds that people want their preferred choice but there is no question that on the basis of animal welfare, that there is a surplus of bitsa's, that shelters struggle to house problematic animals (either behavior or health issues or not cute enough) and that puppy mills are often problematic in and of themselves. And while it may take time, money and effort to mitigate the issues with the less popular animals, pets are a choice so it is easy to expect that the money, time and effort can be made available.

And to get back to the original point, the younger generation are way more aware of the problems of pet ownership and industrial, made to order provision of pets. That us old gen-x's and millennials and our expectation of a pretty pet puppy with no problems (or it gets replaced) are probably going to be out of date with gen-Z/alpha/people being born now so probably better off not being in the habit of talking about/breeding memes on how you only like pure breed mastiffs/ blue Persian or whatever on social media.

Electric Wrigglies
Feb 6, 2015

Capt.Whorebags posted:

Targeting incentives at first home buyers isn't about subscribing to a John Howard 1950s view of newlyweds spending their first night together in a new home. It's a recognition that the first step on the property ladder is incredibly hard. Saving a deposit whilst paying rent and watching prices climb faster than your saving capacity, only to be slugged with a stamp duty, puts it years further out of reach. Once you have that first home, even with a crazy mortgage, you have equity building up and it is so much easier to then use that equity to buy a bigger home if/when you need it.

Although this assumes growing home values, which is no longer assured, at least for the time being.

On board with this, I find it disappointing that Labor is opposed to land tax. The available stock of (for eg) three bedroom handily located properties will go up if the retired couple rattling around inside instead sells up and downsizes to something more modest. Land tax promotes that cycling of properties to fit for purpose users and remove some of the motivation for just hanging onto the wrong property just because it is desirable to someone else.

Same for decent farmland, let go fallow instead of being kept in full productivity because the old man is not up to keeping a hundred acres productive and instead enjoys the best home veggie patch of his life.

Electric Wrigglies
Feb 6, 2015

QLD done a big effort to rationalize the councils 20 years or so ago. There was resistance to it as you would expect but they did achieve a lot and the benefits are less fiefdoms, more systematic approach to problem solving and less putting cross walks and zoning to suit individual councilors.

Electric Wrigglies
Feb 6, 2015

And someone that gets into the public service is going to atrophy their operational industry knowledge over time so in effect you will have staff and resources that will sit around waiting to do analysis that you want and when the time comes, they will recommend getting in industry consultants and will administrate the work.

Electric Wrigglies
Feb 6, 2015

I think that is a good idea. When crook overseas, generally my first port of call has been a pharmacy - Europe, Africa or Asia you see a pharmacist, tell them the problem and they will give you some sort of horse pill for it or tell you to go see a doctor if they think it can't be solved with medication alone. In fact, a lot places, the most recognizable/useful for navigation landmark is the pharmacy. You say the closest pharmacy to where you want to go to the taxi driver or getting rough directions.

Something you think might be life threatening (eg malaria) you don't muck around, just go straight to the hospital.


Megillah Gorilla posted:

Great, just what we need more of - overprescription of antibiotics.


This is a real problem, however. I think Doctors are more likely to push back on people demanding the pill they want to have compared to pharmacists.

Electric Wrigglies
Feb 6, 2015

froglet posted:

Yeah, and that's great! (Coz gosh I know I've been there and it is excruciating).

My one nitpick about it (as someone who went through a kafka-esque sequence of events involving nearly dying of a UTI, having recurrent problems, then spending the next 18 months trying to get to the bottom of the issue) is if there's any follow-up care or monitoring for people who are getting them dispensed frequently. Coz if someone's getting recurrent ones, getting it treated on an ad-hoc basis by pharmacists could potentially be harmful in the long run/make the problem worse (e.g. their variety of bacteria develops antibiotic resistance).

Like, is there a pathway for pharmacists to say "hey, look, I can see we've dispensed you antibiotics for this issue 4 times in the past 8 weeks. I can give you more now, but you need to see a doctor to see what's going on"? Or even "hey before you take this, can we take a urine sample to ensure you haven't got something nastier"? (Note: maybe there is, I don't know, I don't think pharmacists are allowed to do this in WA).

And yeah, while this is a huge improvement, there's a broader range of non-emergencies that ED is currently handling that I reckon an urgent care stream may be better equipped to handle. Yes, most people probably can wait in the ED a couple of hours with a bucket to spew up into while waiting to be seen, but it's probably not good for them or the people around them, especially if you've got something super catching like norovirus.

... And all of this is even more important now, in the age of antibiotic resistance and covid!

(... Don't take this as me disagreeing with you! I think we're furiously agreeing with each other. I just care about this stuff a lot and think it could be better!)

Oh btw, for anyone still reading that's based in WA - my friend who works in ED claims if you need something looked at urgently but it's not exactly an emergency (and you'd rather suffer at home as long as possible/not be stuck in the waiting room around the sick people for hours and hours), the best time to rock up at ED is ~3am. Apparently it tends to be relatively quiet around then (funny, that :v:).

Considering that everything goes through the medicare card, you think it would be easy for statistically optimal procedural based automation to spit out recommendations according to services/medications purchased "hey buddy, a twice daily buy of oxy for the last few weeks and no doctor visits - maybe you should go see a doc?" / "hmm that odd combination of tests and medications suggest that it is not a heart problem like you and your doctor think it is but is actually a reaction to the contraceptive pill you are on, better check for that",/ "you have a cold, antibiotics are probably not necessary and pharmacist x has a history of handing them out like candy".

Electric Wrigglies
Feb 6, 2015

Statistical analysis is not ChatGPT which is a pure word association algorithm, I understand?

Like there is an entire Australian Bureau of Statistics that has been around for decades so its not like statistically analyzing demographic scale outcomes is not some kinda fad. This is the thing that they did in the UK to work out that some shoulder reconstruction surgery should not be done because statistically it was a waste of time.

Electric Wrigglies
Feb 6, 2015

eh, a research team coming up with the recommendation to do more research is like the one outcome that is a minimum guarantee of statistical based research. I would truck on as normal - if you are concerned enough to read into these things than you were likely using the medication as sparingly as possible already.

My mum's an ER/ICU/HDU nurse and I was raised to know that suicide by paracetamol was an excruciating way to not* go. A favourite of teenage girls, as well as paracetmol pills being accessable and non-violent looking, they tend to want the call for help that comes with paracetamol (really long time between symptoms and death) but completely underestimate the excruciating in excruciating pain if they were aware of the pain in the first place.

* mostly not, but if you have taken enough, it will still kill you slowly and all the screaming in the world that you no longer want to die is not going to change that.


On the living conditions for a particular generation (or other demographic grouping), my go tos are expected life and incarceration rates. If you are having a relatively good life, you will live longer and not need to commit crimes that land you in goal (or live in a place that throws you in goal for otherwise reasonable actions). Aussie Aboriginals being a classic example that highlights this - having significantly lower life expectancy and higher incarceration rates (on average) than others living in the same community. They are getting the rough end of the stick. For me it cuts through a lot of the other stats that people bring out (savings, income, BMI, employment, education level achieved, etc) that imply the target population is not doing that one simple trick.

What's the expected life and incarceration rates for millennials versus gen x, gen z, boomers, etc? If you take Aussie Aboriginals out of the grouping (I read somewhere it has gone backwards since the 60's), what does it look like then?

Electric Wrigglies fucked around with this message at 08:28 on Feb 7, 2023

Electric Wrigglies
Feb 6, 2015

What's a semester of study cost these days? It used to be about $2k a semester for a full course load science/engineering degree when I went through.

Electric Wrigglies
Feb 6, 2015

I remember when Ita Buttrose was first announced as heading up the ABC and someone on SA commented something along the lines of "oh great, soon all ABC headlines will change to hide the details in the body and have coy headlines like "Bridgett's car launches off bridge and you will never guess what happens next!", instead of "Two injured in single vehicle accident at Old Mooney Bridge". Turns out it was so painfully and remarkably true, the ABC news reads like a New Idea cover nowadays.

On broker advice, who is good to talk to for investment advice? I have nearly all my life's savings in a Commbank account, and I get anxiety at the thought of investing in anything even though I know it's the stupidest thing. I'm like Comstar that all the bad noise about brokers/investment scams has me terrified.

Electric Wrigglies
Feb 6, 2015

The Greens don't like progress on the environment or on people's welfare through sustainable development, they just want to bleat about how they are always pushing for perfect.

Electric Wrigglies
Feb 6, 2015

h

That's a hilariously disingenuous article.

It would more accurately read - After working to prevent bringing in a price on carbon by working with a face eating leopard to wound the consensus driven politicians driving change, the greens worked with a terminally wounded government to bring in a Greens-led package [that] included a price on carbon that worked to reduce emissions, The very next election, the face eating leopard ate our face and removed the price on carbon.

We fought for – and achieved – gently caress all. We are very proud of our perfect piece of legislation that didn't last a single election cycle, it was so perfect and it is the system's fault it was not recognized for its greatness by the people that it applied to, only international experts that we agree with. It is still our proposed perfect piece of legislation. It has been totally worth 15 years of waiting since knocking over the pretender to good enough legislation to have another go. We are hoping that there is a face eating leopard with enough confidence to help us not have to cave into another consensus driven approach.

Electric Wrigglies
Feb 6, 2015

It's interesting the real wages decrease because Aussies are some of the most expensive people to hire. A role that will pay (net of local taxes) USD130k per year (say an artisanal supervisor level) to an Aussie for will be $110k USD for a brit, yank or a EU candidate (maybe a bit lower for the yank), $50-70k for a South African, Ghanian, Filipino or Indian and about $30-40k for a local West African national. For a tradesperson (heavy diesel mechanic, high voltage electrician, etc), an Indo or Filipino will earn about $20 k a year which is cheaper than employing local nationals, but local employee development is obviously the bigger priority. Not sure Aussie rates relative to other countries is dropping though.

The covid lockdowns were always going to have dramatic effects on cost of living so it doesn't surprise me it has gone this way. Energy and fertilizer costs due to the Russian invasion of Ukraine is probably the single largest other cause of inflation.

Electric Wrigglies fucked around with this message at 13:34 on Feb 22, 2023

Electric Wrigglies
Feb 6, 2015

There used to be brothel tours of Langtrees Kalgoorlie, I gifted my sister a tour back when being edgy wasn't ogre,. It had some awesome merchandise in it like a signed on each half split wicket from the tied test match between Aus and India, a boxing glove with five of the top heavyweight boxers (Mohamed Ali was one of them and evidently it was quite rare for him to sign mech) and other crazy stuff.

I don't remember any kids there but it would have been unremarkable for a baby to be with one of adults on the tour, it looked pretty much like any tour group you would see in Rome down to the retired rich as gently caress American retired lawyer and his wife we befriended on the tour.

Electric Wrigglies
Feb 6, 2015

Megillah Gorilla posted:

"My wealth will surely protect me!" from any kind of minority is always bleakly funny.

Some people never learn from history and are surprised as hell when they find the jackboot on their neck. "But I thought we were friends?"


I'm an old gay man with many run-ins with the cops growing up and my position is simple: if the cops want a spot in Pride they can _start_ with a formal apology over their historic (and continuing) abuses. And they would need to implement serious reform for how they treat minorities.

And that's an absolute minimum for most LGBTQIA+ people I know to even begin to be willing to consider starting a dialogue on their inclusion. Well, for anyone besides the Australian versions of Three Olives that is.


Cops want in? They can loving earn it.

I agree and it needs to come from the Police Union itself, not the management. The political leadership can say how much they want the cops they manage to be as part of the community they are policing all it wants but I wont believe they are successful for a second until a majority of beat members vote a resolution to the effect you describe.

Electric Wrigglies
Feb 6, 2015


That's wild. I guess it means they are interested in the police that are much more loyal to the department than the people the are policing.

Are the hurdles to be accepted into police school that high? Police jobs are generally very sought after as well paid and stable.

Electric Wrigglies
Feb 6, 2015

Ghost Leviathan posted:

Nobody with a soul wants to be a cop.

How very droll, but we are talking QLD so no souls are at risk.

Electric Wrigglies
Feb 6, 2015

Don Dongington posted:

They might have been high paying once, but our glorious cabal of neoliberal ALP premiers have been persuing public sector wage freezes and doing everything in their goddamn power to avoid giving nurses, cops or teachers more than 2-3% per year in EBA negotiations. Less than half of what they've already lost to inflation.

Which is great, because the private sector typically uses public sector wage increases as a pricing signal, to avoid falling behind, or having to try to compete in other areas like job security, paid leave or flexible work.

Cops were standing in solidarity and speaking from the podium at the last public sector wages rally I went to. Fairly stark difference to the Barnett years when they were riding protesters down on horseback

Amusing the cops starting to work with other unions.

I did go and look it up;

Website posted:

Constable: $64,921 - $81,067
Senior Constable: $81,067 - $99,160

Other benefits include:

6 weeks recreation leave per year
13 weeks long service leave after 10 years of service

So starting out at median Australia salary (~$1,250/wk) with decent conditions and up from there, especially if you are happy to live outside the city so on top of a premium, the living costs are lower as well. Not so shabby. Not sure if a pensions are available for the police like in the old days but the super scheme is very good in any event.

So I think it comes back to how are they gate-keeping the roles? I assume minimum heights have gone but are they expecting great OP score or something?

Electric Wrigglies
Feb 6, 2015

My sister started out as a soldier (served in Timor), then a nurse and most recently in the AFP. You better believe working conditions and things like stress leave are loving unbelievably good in the AFP versus being a returned serviceperson or a nurse. For her, getting an AFP job has been like winning the lottery. To be fair, I understand the State coppers don't have it anywhere near as good.

Electric Wrigglies
Feb 6, 2015

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-06/perth-mint-sells-gold-former-hells-angels-bikie-without-checks/102048620

This is interesting for me because one thing most people don't realise, is how much looser regulation is for government entities compared to private. A good example is Muja powerstation in WA had stacks without Electro-Static-Precipitators (ESP) or other flue gas emissions scrubbing because environmental laws were not applicable to them as a government organization. Fair trading and the like at your visa office? - they are exempt and so on. This is for good and bad reasons but generally is utlised at will be government entities (bit like the official secrets act). This generally means govt orgs are nowhere near as self-introspective on overarching legislation as you might think.

This then comes up against an absolute international beast - Know Your Customer and Anti-Money Laundering (and related) legislation/international efforts. Lithuania (Or maybe Latvia?) decimated its own banking sector in the name of AML/KYC, Commbank got slammed and many other examples abound. A big selling point of some Crytpo is circumventing KYC, etc.

Perth Mint seemingly just trucks along completely oblivious to AML/KYC despite being a multi billion international wealth business and that it will just be a few technical issues to sort out. Whilst I don't think anyone is going to goal (not least because a govt employee going to goal in the line of govt business would be quite remarkable), it is quite a story.


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-06/perth-mint-gold-doping-china-cover-up-four-corners/102048622

This seems a bit underdone as a story. Doped is too strong a word for me or their implication of it. You have a spec - you blend to it. 99.99% pure is the spec? Well, why add in a free 0.005% for free? Maybe you have some gold that is 99.985% and some that is 99.9995%, just blend it together to hit the overall spec and job done. Specs for bullion also exist for heavy metals such as cadmium, antinomy, etc and is measured in parts per million or parts per billion (30 ppb is 0.3 ppm is 0.0001%).

Now of course this assumes your assays are correct, that the other side has good assays and that a dispute mechanism exists to mediate a difference between assays and that you both understand the contract/conditions (was the contract stated to 99.99% +/-0.001% accuracy or was it >99.99% or was it stated as the former but also referred to the Shanghai SX) The Chinese also have a reputation for challenging assays/specs once the product is hard to access for follow-up samples (even if it is in the contract) basically forcing the seller of the goods to abandon the complete consignment or the seller may even pay the buyer to take it for free to avoid storage fees (bit different here as the end result could be the Aussie govt pays to get all the gold back to confirm that it is indeed all within spec of the contract).

I think it is very possible the mint was doing its normal things and the Chinese buyers are playing hard ball. A big clue is that normally contracts are written that once you accept a shipment, you can't retrospectively challenge assays - unless they have a lot of historical samples and loose contract writing. It is generally incumbent upon the buyer to challenge the assay within a period of receipt (or the seller to challenge the buyers assay if the buyers assay was the one written as the default).

Electric Wrigglies
Feb 6, 2015

eh, most referendums fail. They fail because gently caress change and we don't vote yes to referendums.

What is it about again? I mean, I'll vote no anyway because I tried voting yes for a republic when I was young and impressionable and now we have King Charles. So I haven't voted yes since.

Electric Wrigglies
Feb 6, 2015

23 Skidoo posted:

I feel it's a bit poo poo to lump Labor as the decision makers for subs... they may support it, may not behind closed doors, but this AUKUSward policy technically is a Liberal policy and if we were to renege or walsh on the deal like we did with the French subs we'd be better off financially until we weren't due to souring of relations.

Can you imagine Joe Biden forgetting Albo's name whilst his moist spittle hits a camera man and he then for some reasons hugs a woman just too tightly after calling Australians welchers? I'm here for the hijinx, but a more precarious position couldn't be found even if Penny Wong were to come out and say the USA is a developing nation.

It's a good point although I do feel part of the reason for AUKUS is that the US/UK subs will not need re-fueling compared to French nuclear subs (which reportedly we could have had) and Labor was very strident on this point of no nuclear processing in Aus. Not 100% sure if that was part of the Lib/Nat government compromise or just made it easier for the Coalition to try and help out their mate Johnson in the UK.

Separately, I find a bit laborious the concern trolling about a few hundred tonnes of nuclear waste in 2050 being even a consideration. Fly ash dams are chock full of more nuclear waste exposed to the elements than ever will come from a mature nuclear industry. The nasty substances that are part and parcel of rare earths ore processing is a reason why all the processing is done in China. That is the price of doing business but a few hundred tonnes of waste in 2050 from a 350 billion dollar killing machine program is a remarkable bogeyman.

Electric Wrigglies
Feb 6, 2015

swimsuit posted:

how many countries has Australia invaded in the last 40 years, and how many has China?

China has mucked around on its edges for decades (Bhutan, Nepal, India, Vietnam, Indonesia, Philippines, etc) and Australia has done as it's told by the US when the US has wanted moral support for its own mucking around outside the Americas. Australia also has also fiddled with Indonesia and E. Timor.

Electric Wrigglies
Feb 6, 2015

Recoome posted:

I’ll tell ya, this is a bit of a creative interpretation of what happened in East Timor.

How else would you describe spying on them to win out negotiations for an unequal carve-up of resources located between the two nations?

Electric Wrigglies
Feb 6, 2015

Recoome posted:

i was more thinking about Indonesia's occupation of East Timor

Ah, you referred to East Timor in your post so I thought you meant when East Timor was a nation post 1999.

But yes, Australia fiddled with Indonesia and had opinions about what Indonesia should look like up to and including sending troops into borders previously recognized by Australia to separate out East Timor again. My old man earned his war service loan from Konfrontasi (learnt how to speak Bahasa Indo even) and my sister served in E. Timor during the Dili Dash for Cash (including getting traumatized by the civilian torture victims she treated as a medic) - I am well aware that a much greater amount of hyperbole could be utilized. The point was not why Australia fiddled, just that we did.

Electric Wrigglies
Feb 6, 2015

Is 100k the usual HECS loan these days? It implies a $12k per semester costs? That's what used to be charged the international students when I was a young turk but ours was like $2k per sem.

Electric Wrigglies
Feb 6, 2015

Recoome posted:

Gee we get it, you like China because you are in your edgy SAlt phase. How about the AFP slamming Lidia Thorpe down today in Canberra??

eh he has got a fair point, the US will go around being absolute bastards and yet people from the US insist that everyone should get on board and wreck their own way of life in pursuit of US values (read: interests) because it is the "Right Thing To Do TM", but if you say "well, if it is so important, why not when/there...." they will bring out some mealy mouth paragraph over why the US way is different and therefore understandable/forgivable or just outright declare "whataboutism!"

That is not to say that the US is not the best of a bad pick, the article that someone posted in this thread that Australian choosing allies is about keeping at least one powerful potential enemy close is very good way of looking at it. Allying with them is not to agree universally with the US or to agree they have the same values as Australia, just that if you have to pick a side (and often you do), try and pick the one that can wreck your poo poo the most and be ready to pay the piper even as you try and keep pursuing your own interests as best you can.

Electric Wrigglies
Feb 6, 2015

huh, I thought Labor would not have the tiniest skerrick of a chance. Endemic corruption is the absolute worst thing that can happen to your government (outside genocide or other crimes against humanity), so NSW Labor getting a long time in opposition for Macdonald's (et al) antics is what I expect.

Electric Wrigglies
Feb 6, 2015

And so I am completely wrong.

Pleasant Friend posted:

And so Tasmania became the Liberal heartland.

haha

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Electric Wrigglies
Feb 6, 2015

The Peccadillo posted:

I was genuinely surprised that the greens and independents didn't get a bigger piece of blowing out the Libs rear end pie

I watched a documentary about owls tonight rather than election coverage, so I kinda just get to watch weirdos burst into tears about wokeism or some poo poo because no one likes the lnp

Maybe there was a perception it was going to be close so people were more inclined to make their vote certainly count instead of protesting against their otherwise preferred candidate (LIb/Lab).

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