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the psych vs. clin. psych distinction seems like some real crab bucket mentality.
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Bucky Fullminster posted:Speaking of urban planning and transport, on a recent ride I came across the big red circle, which is full of trucks coming and going from the big distribution centres - (DHL, FedEx, Woolworths, Linfox, etc). If you moved these facilities to the little red circle at the end of the train line in Leppington, and connect to the international port by joining up with the green line, you could take a significant percentage of trucks off the road and onto rail. ARTC doesn't lease that segment of rail, and is already used by Railcorp for servicing commuter trains. You would need to redevelop the line to add a third track if you are going to accommodate freight along it. Besides, there is already a new intermodal facility a little further south in Glenlee (and a newer one in Moorebank). Also I guess I should tell you what they are actually doing, instead of just telling you why your idea is dumb... They are already planning a new corridor and intermodal facility for Badgerys Creek airport. https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/corridors/wsfl Tokamak fucked around with this message at 14:25 on May 10, 2023 |
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Bucky Fullminster posted:I don't care who's name is on it, there are too many trucks on the road and there are underused rail lines there. Do you really need to add a third for freight? Is there a difference or is that just to accomodate traffic volume? Commuter trains are relatively light, need to regularly stop and start, and also have to follow a timetable. A freight train is heavy, and has trouble stopping and starting. So you tend to get freight trains idling near the choke point waiting for a clear route (I live near one). And given the length, it would not be feasible to run freight through it during peak hours. It's okay if you are running some coal along it every now and again, less so if you want to set up a big intermodal facility. Seriously though, look at the Moorebank Intermodal Terminal. It's essentially what you are thinking about to meet today's need. It connects to the existing dedicated freight line. The western sydney freight line is their bigger ambition for the future.
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Bucky Fullminster posted:Also there are exactly two stops on the little line to Leppington, can't imagine it would cause that much disruption it is the terminus of one of the busier train lines. you seem interested in this subject, so take the next step and do a little reading into the planning decisions for freight and urban development. there is a lot of interesting stuff out there (and largely public). it might give you some more insight into how decisions were made beyond how it looks on a map. on one hand seeing an existing line makes you think you can quickly bootstrap a new industrial area, but building all of the additional infrastructure and factories will take longer than the time you saved from using an existing line. you are also suggesting relocating an existing industrial area near a large population centre to farmland. how will people work and live there? a project like this would take a long time to plan and develop... kind of like what they are already doing with the new airport. you seem to be trying to want things both ways (a quick fix, and a comprehensive solution). it doesn't follow that some empty land near a railway line would inherently be a good spot for industry.
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either way, you will need to build a new line from the existing freight line to the western sydney airport. they are already planning this. it is going to take time and money to develop in either case. they are already in the middle of constructing a new intermodal terminal with a spur line from the existing freight line. they wouldn't use the green line because that isn't the freight line, and is two tracks for a segment. in fact, the new spur runs alongside it. that they are willing to lay down new line including a new bridge in order to avoid appropriating existing commuter rail should indicate the relative merit of your idea. this conversation is pointless.
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freight rail is federal and commuter rail is state. they try to maintain separate lines, but there are parts that are leased (for example, along the south coast). there is already a freight line in the area that connects to port botany, so they wouldn't lease redundant rail. it is also why i would expect them to build an additional freight line alongside the leppington line (so it connects to and operates independently of the commuter line). to explain why one proposal is better than the other would require an understanding of the development of the western sydney airport, surrounding areas, and the new rail lines that serve it. determining and reserving a new corridor is literally the first step in planning a new rail line. if you are interested in learning about it, you just need to read about it on your own time. i had to read some new things in order to answer some of your questions. i can't answer what you are asking to your satisfaction without wading through years of development documents, but you should be doing that and not me. it becomes a lot clearer the more you read on the subject. it is an interesting subject, but like most things it is complicated, and can't be easily digested over a casual forum conversation.
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GoldStandardConure posted:bucky you should play cities: skylines this is the more fun outlet for this stuff
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Bucky Fullminster posted:This is from that link, I really don't see any way for this to feasibly work:  fyi, some of the train plans are out of date, but it is one of the more illustrative ones for the region. it makes more sense when you see all the other lines they are planning to build in the west. it is simpler to build the new purple line from the new outer sydney freight line to the existing industrial area, then extending it to the existing freight line, than it is to relocate everything. you also get a new intermodal facility to literally service the area you are complaining about and will continue to provide jobs for western sydney, while keeping the leppington area open to future growth for south west sydney. i don't understand why you don't think it will feasibly work, since they are already working on it. the whole region has been mapped out for future growth based around the airport. nothing is stopping you from reading about this stuff. you don't even seem to know where the existing freight line is located, or why that green line would be redundant even going with your plan. just do a little bit of reading please. if you enjoyed doing a little thought experiment with your plan, then reading what they are actually doing is fun too. Tokamak fucked around with this message at 13:08 on May 15, 2023 |
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Bucky Fullminster posted:It's 100 minutes, and it specifically identifies capitalism and capitalists as the root cause. that's longer than the communist manifesto
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Jezza of OZPOS posted:north qld has been wiped out lmao good
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