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destroying rome is passé, the only way to truly neutralize rome is to seduce it it's our enemies to lovers arc
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Pressing F to pay respects 🫡
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QuoProQuid posted:destroying rome is passé, the only way to truly neutralize rome is to seduce it Honestly, I’m here for it.
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QuoProQuid posted:destroying rome is passé, the only way to truly neutralize rome is to seduce it This convinced me. Changing from A to E. Love will bloom in the mediterranean
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Dec 23, 2022 01:18
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ironic, considering the Aeneid featured Dido's journey a fair bit iirc
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Dec 23, 2022 01:19
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vote's over, by the way! Carthage has it, by just a single vote I think
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Dec 23, 2022 01:34
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kush
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Too late, too late. I can see that this Hashim LP is already off to a great start in terms of goon voting.
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NewMars posted:Too late, too late. I can see that this Hashim LP is already off to a great start in terms of goon voting. 
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Dec 23, 2022 02:01
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Antigonids doing Antigonid things
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I like how they took over Thrace and Constantinople and still lost overall.
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QuoProQuid posted:destroying rome is passé, the only way to truly neutralize rome is to seduce it We will correct Aeneas' mistake.
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Dec 23, 2022 02:44
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God drat, that egypt. We would have stood no chance with that in the way.
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Well that certainly looks uh friendly.
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QuoProQuid posted:destroying rome is passé, the only way to truly neutralize rome is to seduce it Shogeton posted:We will correct Aeneas' mistake. 
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Eumenes should have won.
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 Part 2 – Sicilian Wars – 304 BCE to 270 BCE Carthage.  According to legend, the city was founded by an exile queen – Dido, also known as Elissa – fleeing the court intrigues of Tyre. Her odyssey is the stuff of myth, as she escaped her murderous brother, seized women from Cyprus to mother her people, outwitted a Berber king and founded a new city upon the hill of Byrsa… and then, when faced with the threat of war and forced marriage, she took her own life… and is such a sacrifice, there is great power.  Qart Hadasht, or Carthage, soon outgrew her mother city in Tyre, and over the centuries she contended with tyrants and kings, feuded with Berbers and Greeks, embarked on great voyages into the impenetrable West, seized the sealanes and trade routes flowing between the pillars of Hercules and the great harbour of Tyre… Now, some five hundred years after her death, the city of Dido prospers.  And beyond, the world is yet wild and unknown – to the distant north, where travellers and explorers trade rumours of savage peoples hoarding immense wealth…  To the east, the cradles of civilisation are ravaged by the heirs of Alexander, who now feud after his legacy like dogs at a bone, whilst the ancient and mysterious lands further south whisper of unwritten stories…  And even further beyond, where mere snatches of hearsay give form to the vast and awesome legends of the Indias…  In the midst of all this, lays Carthage. To her belongs a most ancient and gloried history, but her song has only just begun. Once, the city was governed by elected monarchy, but there is danger in placing a crown on the brow of a man and calling him king, and so such things were rightly done away with a long time ago. Instead, as the year 304 BCE dawns, the senate of Carthage meets to elect two Sophets from the great families of Carthage, to rule the Republic for a period of five years.  And immediately, their priorities are made clear –  For too long, the Republic has suffered the ignominy of the Greeks. Year after year, campaign after campaign, war after war, and yet the rich and strategic island of Sicily eludes our grasp – and indeed, just a few years prior, the wretched tyrant of Syracuse, Agathokles, laid siege to Carthage herself, a most heinous crime that has not been forgotten. The newly-elected Maharbal vows an end to the stalemate, and just a year later, he lands on the island with an army of 20,000 Libyan, Numidian and Greek mercenaries.   He strikes across the width of Sicily in an audacious march – a march that is quickly ended after half his troops are ambushed by Agathokles himself, leading an alliance of Greeks and native Siculotes.   The defeat is crushing enough that Maharbal flees back to Carthage, and his term as Sophet ends in disgrace. The mercenaries he left behind, meanwhile, quickly defect to the Greeks in a dispute over pay.   Unsurprisingly, the oligarchs in the senate descended into their usual bickering, bribing one another to pass laws and then strike them down.    The traditionalists of the assembly, on the other hand, insist that the war would only be won once the gods were properly honoured – or rather, once the shrines and temples of the brutish Greek gods were thoroughly desecrated.   But after a succession of corrupt Sophets and a series of accompanying defeats in Sicily, it seems as though this was doomed to end like so many others – that is, until the patriarch of the prominent Barca family manages to get himself elected Sophet…  Shrewd, assertive, and a brilliant commander, Abdmelqart Barca lands in Sicily with a mixed force of Punic levies and Numidian mercenaries; and within the year, he scores three important victories over the Greeks.    Scattering the allied enemy forces, the Sophet then drives towards the ultimate prize in Sicily –  And finally, there beneath the walls of Syracuse, caught in the midst of a most terrible storm, Carthage and Greece clash yet again… and Agathokles can only watch as his army crumbles, as the walls they sought to defend are torn down, as his precious city…  …is brutally sacked, with all her riches carried back to Carthage, and only the moon-and-sun standard of the Republic left behind, staked in the carcass of the Tyrant.   And with the stronghold of Sicily vanquished, the rest of the Greek settlements on the island submit over the next few years, one by one…      So successful was this campaign that Abdmelqart was not only rewarded with a triumph upon his return to Carthage, but his supporters in the senate soon passed a law extending his term of office as well –   And with this renewed mandate, Abdmelqart energetically set to integrating the various Phoenician colonies that pay tribute to Carthage. Before long, the cities of Leptis and Hadrametum, Iol and Thapsus, Emporia and Heraklia, and finally Utica, one of Carthage’s oldest rivals, all bow before the authority of Qart Hadasht.    In the east, meanwhile, Antigonos Monophthalmos perishes in a stunning defeat to a coalition of Diadochi kings, leaving the Seleukids and Ptolemies to partition and then feud over the remnants of his empire.   In the west, and much closer to home, the ever-seditious Numidians have been united under a young king of Massaesylia, who may well pose a threat to Punic holdings along the coast.  Abdmelqart’s lengthened term comes to an end in the year 270 BCE, with the Republic firmly in the ascendance – the surrounding Phoenician colonies are fully integrated, her coastal holdings in Libya and Mauretania are reinforced, and the wealthy isle of Sicily is finally and utterly subjugated.   A long and successful career, with scarcely a stumble… except… In the midst of his Sicilian wars, Abdmelqart had crossed the straits of Messina to disperse a Greek army mustering near the town of Rigon. A short and decisive victory followed, and after some deliberation the Sophet decided to seize the town as well, giving Carthage a foothold on the peninsula that lies just across the narrow waterway…  …listen closely, and already, you may well hear the screeching of tuba, the stamping of legions, and all the sounds of Rome rising to ruin and war. hashashash fucked around with this message at 17:21 on Nov 10, 2023 |
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Dec 23, 2022 22:08
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I'm sure they won't mind a bit of toe nibbling 
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I should also add that the reason these Sicilian wars took so long was because, when I declared on Syracuse, the Antipatrids became war leader... only to be taken out by the other Diadochi, and that ended our war for some reason, so I had to wait a while and declare it again Just paradox things I guess
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cartago amanda est
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I’m from Utica and I’ve never heard of the city of lol. It’s a Carthage possession. Edit: I forgot about Boi. We should give all of Rome's lands to Boi and let Boi rule the map. Ralepozozaxe fucked around with this message at 00:08 on Dec 24, 2022 |
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Dec 23, 2022 23:16
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What lovely neighbors! I'm sure we can start a beautiful relationship....
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Huh, what mods are you using to make your windows look that like?
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Well they secured their position rather quickly eh?
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Aw, crap, that's a hell of a Rome. Are they supposed to take the peninsula this fast?
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Hellioning posted:Huh, what mods are you using to make your windows look that like? Do you mean the darker UI? That's Dark Red UI 2.0 I think I've also got a few others - Better Map Icons, Historical Imperator pack, Invictus, Enhanced graphics and lighting
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hashashash posted:Do you mean the darker UI? That's Dark Red UI 2.0 I think Yeah, the UI. Thanks!
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NewMars posted:Aw, crap, that's a hell of a Rome. Are they supposed to take the peninsula this fast? I haven't played enough Imperator to be sure, but I've never seen a game where they don't blob out incredibly fast
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Jesus christ. Already?
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Rome blobbing is fine. They’ll be the top (of the Mediterranean) and we’ll be the great power bottom (of the Mediterranean)
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Well time to brace your javelins..
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also, I hate that the game is giving me this option -  now I actually want to Hannibal my armies across the Alps
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Look, they can have Italy and we'll have everything else. Surely they'll be satisfied with that!
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Things gettin' Punic in a big hurry
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This kind of makes me glad I pushed hard for Carthage first: without a player at the helm to stop them Rome looks like it's going to grow out of control and make everything all regular historical.
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That's incredibly impressive. Guess the next update will decide if someone gets to knock the apple Qart over, eh?
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NewMars posted:This kind of makes me glad I pushed hard for Carthage first: without a player at the helm to stop them Rome looks like it's going to grow out of control and make everything all regular historical. welp, may as well tell you that their expansion only gets faster for some reason also fighting the Romans is a huge pain. who knew
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Unsure if it's mod related or if it's a game mechanic, but one of the things I've seen is the Romans just auto-annex territory they've occupied. Which isn't the case in any other country when they do warfare (unless it's a civil war). If that's a normal thing, that could explain it. The Romans just taking everything all at once instead of bit by bit.
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Lateinshowing posted:Unsure if it's mod related or if it's a game mechanic, but one of the things I've seen is the Romans just auto-annex territory they've occupied. Which isn't the case in any other country when they do warfare (unless it's a civil war). It's a game mechanic: the Imperial Challenge CB works like that. It's unlocked by a late game tech, but some countries get to use it early in specific circumstances (Rome during some early wars, for example, or the Diadochi against each other).
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When the game first came out Rome would just sit and do nothing, so they turned the take-over everyone dial WAY up.
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