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Nativity In Black posted:Don't like that one bit. Has the rule for how this works changed over the years or is there basically no rule and this is all part of some ongoing meta game evolution? A lot of my villains are rikishi who slighted Takayasu at some point
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Does Ryuden kick puppies or something? He seemed like a pretty good competitor in the tourney.
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Apr 7, 2024 15:44
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wikipedia posted:In February 2019, Ryūden announced his engagement to his partner, a nurse named Mai Fukumaru, after a four-year relationship.[26] The couple married in June of the same year, with 430 guests in attendance.[27] In May 2021, it was revealed by the Shūkan Shinchō, alongside the investigation into the breached COVID-19 compliance guidelines, that Ryūden was having an affair with one of his fans.[28] It was also revealed that as a result of this relationship, the woman in question became pregnant and had, at Ryūden's insistence, an abortion; Ryūden had tried to pay her approximately 5 million yen in compensation, in vain.[28]
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Apr 7, 2024 15:51
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Also he did this thing where, as he squared up for the tachiai, he did a little butt wiggle. He did this for at least 2 consecutive basho(s?) and it was quite villainous. It is also acceptable to jeer at both Abi and Asanoyama.
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Apr 7, 2024 16:20
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Abi is the best heel in upper division. He’s like a cartoon villain.
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Apr 7, 2024 17:05
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Abi’s sumo sucks but he’s memorable and that’s the most important thing. He has a big lunkhead face and the worlds most ungainly style and the air of a high school movie bully. I’d rather have 5 more like him than one more Meisei or Nishikifuji
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Apr 7, 2024 18:01
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Meisei is great he has the body of a giant baby and regularly wins against guys you wouldn't expect
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Apr 7, 2024 18:13
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Chinook posted:Also he did this thing where, as he squared up for the tachiai, he did a little butt wiggle. He did this for at least 2 consecutive basho(s?) and it was quite villainous. That twerking still lives rent-free in my head.
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Apr 7, 2024 18:34
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I love Abi even if (or maybe because) he's a knucklehead. I like Ryuden's sumo but as above posts point out, his off-ring activities are unfortunate.
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Apr 7, 2024 18:43
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I would like Ryuden to disappear from the sport and never be seen again. I blacked out his face and name where it showed up on my sumo calendar. I don’t like Abi and always want him to lose but not enough to deface the calendar. I used to have stronger negative feelings towards Asanoyama. He paid his time in horny jail though and destroyed his chances of ever being a Yokozuna and I don’t think hurt anyone with it but himself? Abi’s whole thing about unilaterally deciding to stay away from his wife and newborn until he got his rank back is what really turned me on him.
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Apr 7, 2024 18:56
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Shiroc posted:I don’t like Abi and always want him to lose but not enough to deface the calendar. I used to have stronger negative feelings towards Asanoyama. He paid his time in horny jail though and destroyed his chances of ever being a Yokozuna and I don’t think hurt anyone with it but himself? Abi’s whole thing about unilaterally deciding to stay away from his wife and newborn until he got his rank back is what really turned me on him. Yeah, that was very "I'm still going to be a selfish shitstain, just in a way the sumo media will report admiringly instead of criticizing me for it." Ryuden is the worst and deserves to be kicked in the balls before every match. Abi's just a selfish doofus with horrific footwork.
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Apr 7, 2024 19:05
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If you get henkad by Abi, you deserve to lose. It's like being outwitted by Biff Tannen
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Apr 7, 2024 19:49
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Communist Thoughts posted:A lot of my villains are rikishi who slighted Takayasu at some point Death to Abi Also I don’t like Kagayaki because he has giant pizza sized nips.
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I love every fat boi and little guy and I want them all to do cool throws and belly-hump eachother forever. Also, never forget Abi posted so hard he got all rikishi banned from social media.
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Apr 7, 2024 21:15
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Nativity In Black posted:Don't like that one bit. Has the rule for how this works changed over the years or is there basically no rule and this is all part of some ongoing meta game evolution? This is a good question and I don't want to seem like I'm ignoring it but I will leave it for someone who actually knows what they're talking about to give a detailed answer. My general understanding is that as long as both rikishi go at the same time it doesn't really matter how that got accomplished. Beeswax posted:I’d rather have 5 more like him than one more Meisei or Nishikifuji Aww what's wrong with Nishikifuji? He's barely been in the top division 2 years, are you thinking of Nishikigi? Brut fucked around with this message at 21:30 on Apr 7, 2024 |
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Apr 7, 2024 21:28
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Brut posted:This is a good question and I don't want to seem like I'm ignoring it but I will leave it for someone who actually knows what they're talking about to give a detailed answer. They go through stages where they let people do whatever as long as it's somewhat to both when go time is, but then every couple years they'll reset and have a tourney or two where they call matta on everything. Then once everyone is used to it, they'll loosen up the calls and guys get more slack on getting their fists all the way down until it gets out of hand and they crack down again. But generally it seems like the lower ranked guy is supposed to set first and the higher ranker gets to decide when to go if both guys want to wait. There's been a couple matches where Hak and the other Y/O boys get noticeably pissed at some maegashira upstart for trying to play mind games with them. pseudodragon fucked around with this message at 21:35 on Apr 7, 2024 |
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Apr 7, 2024 21:32
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pseudodragon posted:They go through stages where they let people do whatever as long as it's somewhat to both when go time is, but then every couple years they'll reset and have a tourney or two where they call matta on everything. Then once everyone is used to it, they'll loosen up the calls and guys get more slack on getting their fists all the way down until it gets out of hand and they crack down again. Sure but in the video I linked (and really, any video you click if you look up 1960s/1970s sumo) they're not even putting their hands down anywhere near the ground, they're basically rushing at eachother from a mildly bent standing position, so I'm not really sure how we got from that to the fists having to actually touch the ground.
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Apr 7, 2024 21:41
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Brut posted:Aww what's wrong with Nishikifuji? He's barely been in the top division 2 years, are you thinking of Nishikigi? No, Nishikigi is a recognizable, adorable, blind ball. Nishikifuji belongs with Meisei in the "men without qualities" box. There is nothing to remember about him, good or bad.
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Beeswax posted:"men without qualities" box. There is nothing to remember about him, good or bad. Every basho there’s a bout or two where I’m like “I have no idea who the gently caress this is” and it turns out it’s one or two men without qualities that I’ve been watching for like 6 years now.
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Apr 7, 2024 22:21
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I like Meisei 
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I love Abi and his big dumb face.some kinda jackal posted:Every basho there’s a bout or two where I’m like “I have no idea who the gently caress this is” and it turns out it’s one or two men without qualities that I’ve been watching for like 6 years now. That's Tobizaru for me as well as... somone else with a T-name I don't remember.
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Apr 7, 2024 22:33
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Posting just to say I like Meisei too.
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Elephant Ambush posted:I like Meisei Meisei all day
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Here are Meisei's qualities. 28 years old and in Sumo since 2011, which means he came up completely though the stable system rather than coming from university Sumo or even high school Sumo. Was in sanyaku for the second half of 2021. 2 Kinboshi, one of which is the recent one which is almost luck of who gets paired with a very injured Terunofuji, but his first one last year was against an otherwise undefeated Terunofuji (finished 14-1). His real first name is Meisei. He's kind of living proof that the sumo system still works. Nishikifuji as I mentioned has just not been in the top division that long, only 10 tournaments technically. (but 2 years because there's a brief drop to Juryo in there) I remember him being quite fun his first 2 or 3 tournaments but I'm also probably somewhat mixing up my feelings about Midorifuji and Nishikifuji, since they came up around the same time and I was definitely mixing them up at first.
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Midorifuji is cool because he’s the first small guy since I’ve started watching who can really hang with the big guys. Sorry Enho, you burned so brightly and briefly.
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How can anyone forget Tobizaru’s beautiful face and skincare routines
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Shiroc posted:Midorifuji is cool because he’s the first small guy since I’ve started watching who can really hang with the big guys. During a Tobizaru-Midorifuji bout the commentary mentioned they were the shortest two rikishi in the division, for some reason that blew my mind, I knew Midorifuji was a lil dude but Tobizaru just looks taller but he isn't??  Midorifuji's katasukashi owns though, so satisfying seeing him pull it off days in a row.
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Here's the banzuke with Height/Weight shown (it's just a checkbox on the left) Here's a query for the top 2 divisions that actually lets you sort by height or weight Here's a similar query but for all 6 divisions and some extra fields selected, I expected a bunch of the shortest guys to be brand new because of the rule changes, but most of them have been around a few years. The "Hatsu" column is when they started Sumo.
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Roctavian posted:How can anyone forget Tobizaru’s beautiful face and skincare routines  (Oho wanted Pokémon cards.)
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Hirayuki posted:Or his wish on Tanabata, when most of his colleagues wanted an injury-free basho and a kachikoshi. Tobi wanted to be beautiful. I don't get it. Why wish for something you already have?
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Tobizaru has 20kg on Midorifuji, so he's a bit bigger of a guy even if their listed heights are similar.
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Roctavian posted:How can anyone forget Tobizaru’s beautiful face and skincare routines He's burned into my mind forever since seeing this amazing performance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEJxwKP_x2Y
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Dimebags Brain posted:He's burned into my mind forever since seeing this amazing performance: ok that is hilarious
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Brut posted:Here's the banzuke with Height/Weight shown (it's just a checkbox on the left) The weight thing got me wondering again about how often it's updated -- from what I can see it's not done so per-basho, ran into this a bit ago while doing a bit of Sumo data visualization.
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Kerrzhe posted:ok that is hilarious It's the funniest match ever
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ce3ZjjyezUU
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Iron Chef Nex posted:The weight thing got me wondering again about how often it's updated -- from what I can see it's not done so per-basho, ran into this a bit ago while doing a bit of Sumo data visualization. Yeah, sumodb doesn't update too often. I think the JSA site updates anytime they do official weigh ins but I don't know if there's a way to scrape it. There's some guys with pretty big discrepancies. Takakeisho is listed on the JSA site as 165 kg and 183 on sumo db (March 2021 measurement) JSA: https://www.sumo.or.jp/EnSumoDataRikishi/profile/3582/ sumodb: https://sumodb.sumogames.de/Rikishi.aspx?r=12191
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Tobi caught such hell from that match. Bless his heart, he was trying but you could see the "alright now what" gears turning. His brand of sumo has improved greatly, but he'll forever be known for that fight.
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Isn't the other part of the lore here that Hakuho turned around and did the same thing to ... Shodai(?) later in the tournament?
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Iron Chef Nex posted:The weight thing got me wondering again about how often it's updated -- from what I can see it's not done so per-basho, ran into this a bit ago while doing a bit of Sumo data visualization. Yeah this came up recently and Brut posted:I think at least once a year but also whenever they have medical checkups (which might be more frequent? not sure), but I don't think sumodb pulls that data automatically, but rather requires manual update. So I think whatever you're seeing on the official sumo association website should be considered very recent, maybe even every basho? Can't take that long to have guys step on a scale, particularly if it is just Sekitori. SumoDB does tell you specifically when data was pulled if you go to the individual wrestler page, and it is still nice to see historical (though infrequent) data, like seeing Hakuho start his career at 80kg. edit: oh wait, you're who I replied to originally back then, oops. Brut fucked around with this message at 19:22 on Apr 9, 2024 |
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