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Nativity In Black posted:Isn't the other part of the lore here that Hakuho turned around and did the same thing to ... Shodai(?) later in the tournament? Day 14 of the same tourney. The Tobi match seemed like "You think you're hot poo poo? Come at me at find out, I'll give you a free shot" intimidation. The Shodai match seems to be Hak being worried because no one (including Shodai) has any idea what Shodai will do and just seeing what happens until he realizes has nothing to worry about. https://youtu.be/F1_lPza2ZG4?si=9xt9Z-IBwdm_qsX_
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I guess there's a documentary out there that goes over the whole tournament (This is Hakuho's last iirc). I haven't been able to find it anywhere. Edit: I guess that's because I was trying to go by what I thought to be the title. I think this may be it:https://youtu.be/XApsMOJyB9U?si=pkd-6gzwNyYNtRNv Nativity In Black fucked around with this message at 22:55 on Apr 9, 2024 |
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Tobi is on the record as saying he goes into each bout with no plan or strategy whatsoever. Sometimes it works in his favor, because he's not mentally locked into any one tactic that he might find hard to abandon if things start going south; he's quick enough on his feet that he can often adapt to a shifting situation, and it can work out very well for him. But sometimes...not so much.
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When it works, it really works, but when it fails, it Shodai level fails.
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Tobizaru is by far the wrestler that smiles the most when he loses (most don't smile at all, even when they win!), as far as I can tell he just likes fun and interesting sumo. Come to think of it, does anyone remember Tobizaru ever trying a henka?
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Was it Hakkaku who had a remark after one of Tobi's good results that was something like "it's good to see he's stopped doing sumo that belongs in the circus" or something to that effect?
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Brut posted:Yeah this came up recently and What is a forum for, other than having the same conversations again and again! Seriously, thanks again for the tips on getting more up-to-date numbers!
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whats for dinner posted:Was it Hakkaku who had a remark after one of Tobi's good results that was something like "it's good to see he's stopped doing sumo that belongs in the circus" or something to that effect? I thought that was the YDC grumbling and grumping about Ura because they dislike all that is fun and good.
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Brut posted:Tobizaru is by far the wrestler that smiles the most when he loses (most don't smile at all, even when they win!), as far as I can tell he just likes fun and interesting sumo. Come to think of it, does anyone remember Tobizaru ever trying a henka? Ura is a huge smiler too! 
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Ice Phisherman posted:Ura is a huge smiler too! It's hard to tell while he's doing flips!
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pseudodragon posted:The Shodai match seems to be Hak being worried because no one (including Shodai) has any idea what Shodai will do and just seeing what happens until he realizes has nothing to worry about. Shodai had also been incredibly passive the entire tournament, to the point where commentators were calling out that he wasn't doing sumo appropriate for his rank. A lot of people thought Hakuho's gambit was a way of reminding him that without both people striving to win sumo sorta turns weird. In retrospect that tournament was the start of Shodai's decline, but at the time it was mostly just confusing and unusual.
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Someone pointed out that it coincided with his favourite anime getting cancelled
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I would love to know what Shodai's favorite anime is
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Ice Phisherman posted:Ura is a huge smiler too! the Ura/Tobizaru matches that end with some wacky bullshit and then both of them have a look on their face like they just got away with a great prank are great.
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Elephant Ambush posted:I would love to know what Shodai's favorite anime is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2s6i_PtOSo
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14 minute well researched video that concludes "Shodai"
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Shiroc posted:14 minute well researched video that concludes "Shodai" As any proper video about Shodai should.
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lmao I love her videos
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https://twitter.com/davemeltzerWON/status/1778227087910097092 Rest in power, Akebono. 
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gently caress Akebono was literally the guy who got me into sumo back in '96 
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Akebono had to beat both the hana brothers and the rest of the Fujishima stable who never had to face each other and still won 10. A legend.
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Great Muta and Yingling the Erotic Terrorist must be beside themselves. It's always a tragedy when parents outlive their baby boy.
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Elephant Ambush posted:gently caress So I have to know, how did you watch sumo all the way back in '96? I thought I was smart because I found original episodes of Dragonball at six in the morning for Saturday morning cartoons in the mid nineties.
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https://ameblo.jp/masaru-hanada/entry-12847930204.html From Uncle Waka: DeepL posted:A rival, a friend, a colleague with whom I shared many hardships and joys, has departed.
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Elephant Ambush posted:gently caress Ok now I feel loving old since my first sumo memories were watching Takanohana struggle throughout 1993 and 1994 to reach Yokozuna and Akebono was almost always the massive wall in his way. RIP to the best tsuppari guy of all time IMO. May he be launching fools into the 5th row in the afterlife.
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54 years old. Woof :[
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Ice Phisherman posted:So I have to know, how did you watch sumo all the way back in '96? I was actually in Japan studying abroad for the summer I wasn't able to watch every match of every basho after that summer but I was in college at the time so I could at least read results and watch low res clips that people would post I dropped off sumo once the woman who is now my wife moved in with me in 2000 and, to my dismay, I missed out on the entirety of Hakuho's career It's been really fun catching up on everything that's happened since I got back into sumo last July
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Elephant Ambush posted:I dropped off sumo once the woman who is now my wife moved in with me in 2000 and, to my dismay, I missed out on the entirety of Hakuho's career July would have been a great jumping on point. Missing out on Hak's dominance sucks but coming in right at the transition is a good place to start. You already got to see the birth of 3 new Ozeki plus what could be a golden generation in the making with Onosato, Atamifuji, Takerufuji, Hakuoho, etc. It's like you missed the season finale/close of a big arc of a show but jumped in right at the start of the next big thing so you're on the same page as everyone else and not missing out on the big storylines.
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pseudodragon posted:July would have been a great jumping on point. Missing out on Hak's dominance sucks but coming in right at the transition is a good place to start. You already got to see the birth of 3 new Ozeki plus what could be a golden generation in the making with Onosato, Atamifuji, Takerufuji, Hakuoho, etc. Yeah it's been great so far but Teru got injured in July and I really didn't get to see him at full power until January The new Ozeki and the new batch of young guys fighting their way through the veterans have been a lot of fun to watch Also, Shodai
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Does anyone with more familiarity with that era of sumo have any thoughts on Akebono's style? He was huge, of course, but it seems kinda like when people say that Mike Tyson was just strong. He developed a world-class style based on his strengths! I've read sumo grognards say that he relied too much on striking, and read other people say that he was part of a growing emphasis on a powerful tachi-ai, but I have no idea really.
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Halloween Jack posted:Does anyone with more familiarity with that era of sumo have any thoughts on Akebono's style? He was huge, of course, but it seems kinda like when people say that Mike Tyson was just strong. He developed a world-class style based on his strengths! I did a post comparing Akebono's tsuppari to Abi's a few years ago. anakha posted:Check out Akebono's footwork when he starts the match here. Starts far back because he doesn't want his opponent to have a chance to reach for his belt, but also steps forward with hand thrusts that start out with his arm not fully extended before making contact. The combination of both allows him to shove with a lot of force and send Takanohana stumbling back. He continues to plant his feet well with every step forward to generate max force. Note as well that he is able to do powerful thrusts with both hands so that he continues the pressure with every step forward. And you can see how elite his striking was against arguably the greatest Japanese yokozuna of the modern era. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLFYuyJTxGI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ipBrvlIR6c
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Thanks! It's really impressive the way he seems to lean all his weight on Takanohana without allowing him to just sidestep and e.g. hikiotoshi. Controlled yet unrelenting offense.
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Ice Phisherman posted:So I have to know, how did you watch sumo all the way back in '96? It was easier in the U.K. to watch sumo in the late 80s/90s than today because of Transworld Sport that would show whole days of the Makuuchi divisions bouts.
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ESPN also used to show sumo for a couple years in the mid 90s, but then they decided to rerun sportscenter all day.
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Akebono highlights used to make it to Nine's Wide World of Sports saturday and sunday afternoon sports anthology shows back in the 90s I'm pretty sure
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Bad week for former yokozuna. Asashoryu announced on Instagram that he's going through treatment for cancer. Hopefully he can beat it https://twitter.com/SumoFollower/status/1779789931818176571?t=SqkcHgTXM45J2v06Iui6KA&s=19
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Was this posted here yet? American Pizazz Meets the Staid Traditions of Sumo
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Ice Phisherman posted:So I have to know, how did you watch sumo all the way back in '96? There was a brief time in the late 90's when sumo was on ESPN late at night. That's when I first saw it, and came back to it like 20 years later.
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There've been some changes to the tachiai: a new "get ready" phrase from the shinpan and a more tightly regulated requirement that all four rikishi hands are actually touching the dohyo before the bout begins. Despite the headline making it sound like the changes are only for amateur sumo, I believe they apply to professional-level sumo as well; am I reading it right? For amateur sumo, a fresh start offers hope against time-wasting and gamesmanship
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