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Leperflesh posted:Or, on the other hand, this is private medical information and the NFL doesn't get to decide what is disclosed to the public? Oh sure, you're right about that. quote:What specter of commotio cordis? As far as we know this is the first time it's ever happened in NFL history. There's a specter of CTE looming over fans' football experience and it's vastly worse. It's happened in college and high school, and I could swear that somebody in the 1970s in the NFL had it happen. (Edit: I'm wrong, Reggie Brown the linebacker needed CPR because of a spinal cord injury, not a heart-related issue.) When I say a "specter" I mean something which is actually mostly not real, but people will be worried about it anyway because that's what people do.
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GOOD TIMES ON METH posted:It's entirely possible that they don't actually know yet and that not everything is some vast NFL conspiracy Only most things. Not a doctor, but I would guess there will be follow up visits to ensure everything is still good. If it was a freak accident with nothing underlying, I would think the chances of it happening again to him would be pretty low. Seems there would be no reason not to play if that's what he wants to do (and he is mentally prepared to take another hit). Again, not a medical professional and I have no idea if this happening once increases it happening again.
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Pronger played for 12 more years after almost dying on the ice. Considering that was more than 750 games, the opportunity for a further injury was vastly greater than an NFL player could ever face (Brady has only appeared in 340ish games).
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Jan 11, 2023 20:14
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Whether he plays again is going to come down to a) whether he's mentally okay with it and b) what, if any, long-term physical issues may have stemmed from the initial incident. Commotio cordis presumably isn't like concussion where you're more likely to suffer another if you've suffered it once already. It's a freak thing. That said, there could be long-term ramifications from having suffered lack of blood flow, undergone CPR, etc., and some of those factors could keep him from taking the field again.
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Toaster Beef posted:Whether he plays again is going to come down to a) whether he's mentally okay with it For me this would be the biggest part of it, especially since it was such a routine play. If it was some freak accident like one of the wires from the sky view camera snapped and hit him in the chest to cause it that would be one thing, but as a safety in the NFL there's a pretty good chance he'll be expected to make routine tackles again if he can/wants to return.
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mdemone posted:It has to be a direct hit in a fairly compact area, which is when it happens in other sports. However the pads of football players absorb some of that energy and even more importantly, they dissipate the rest of the energy into a larger area. That's why it is extremely rare in football (but there are a few recorded instances aside from Hamlin). iirc chest chest protectors aren’t effective in preventing commotio cordis and a bunch of people who have experienced it were wearing one The real reason it is so vanishingly rare is that it requires an impact of certain force at a very precise location and time and it’s just a one in a billion chance
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Docjowles posted:Don't worry the memelords were way ahead of you Personally I would have gone with #41 Billy Cole if I'm playing Fortnite
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I could easily see Hamlin's family begging him not to play any more. They watched him collapse and apparently die in front of them. That's traumatic. Chris Borland walked away from an incredibly promising and lucrative career because he became fully aware of the CTE risks and decided it wasn't worth it. Plenty of other athletes have done the same. We'll see what Hamlin and his family want, what the docs tell him, etc. and ultimately if he's physically able to play, he'll have to make a pretty tough decision. That decision will probably be tougher if he gets a lot of pressure, however well-intentioned, from fans and teammates to complete the feelgood comeback narrative that is so deeply culturally ingrained.
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Leperflesh posted:I could easily see Hamlin's family begging him not to play any more. They watched him collapse and apparently die in front of them. That's traumatic. Didn’t Andrew Luck do the same? I think he got sick of the injuries, made all the money he could ever want anyway, and just quit to go fishing on his farm all day long. Can’t blame him in the slightest either.
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Leperflesh posted:I could easily see Hamlin's family begging him not to play any more. They watched him collapse and apparently die in front of them. That's traumatic.
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Cartoon Man posted:Didn’t Andrew Luck do the same? I think he got sick of the injuries, made all the money he could ever want anyway, and just quit to go fishing and reading on his farm all day long. Can’t blame him in the slightest either. Yeah. Andrew Luck was the best
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It's pretty amazing that one week ago Hamlan was still on a vent and now we're already talking about whether or not he plays again.
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Dango Bango posted:It's pretty amazing that one week ago Hamlan was still on a vent and now we're already talking about whether or not he plays again. While the human body can sometimes be weirdly fragile (see: this happening in the first place), it's easy to forget that as a species we're remarkably resilient to injuries. When you pile modern medicine on top of that, you get things like this that are, honestly, miraculous. He wasn't breathing and didn't have a pulse. He was, briefly, dead. And now he's up and about, and working back towards high-level athleticism.
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its kinda funny; it may have been traumatic for everyone watching it happen, but from Damar's perspective he was playing football and then suddenly woke up in the hospital with some broken ribs how much would being told that you almost died freak you out if you didn't really experience it, and you knew the chances of it happening again were astronomical? I could see the decision to play again not necessarily being that difficult for someone
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GOOD TIMES ON METH posted:It's entirely possible that they don't actually know yet and that not everything is some vast NFL conspiracy
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The Lord of Hats posted:While the human body can sometimes be weirdly fragile (see: this happening in the first place), it's easy to forget that as a species we're remarkably resilient to injuries. When you pile modern medicine on top of that, you get things like this that are, honestly, miraculous. He wasn't breathing and didn't have a pulse. He was, briefly, dead. And now he's up and about, and working back towards high-level athleticism. I know this has been touched on before ITT and in a way your posts hints at it too but NFL athletes (and realistically any top level pro in most any sport) are so insanely strong in all aspects of their physical fitness. I remember seeing something posted about a NFL player going snowboarding for the first time and doing it very much the wrong way but their muscles being so strong and their coordination being so good, it literally didn't matter and they could stay upright even with bad technique. I have a feeling my rear end at Damar's same age would not have bounced back as fast even if everything else was the same in terms of our treatment (to state what's probably obvious).
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tangy yet delightful posted:I know this has been touched on before ITT and in a way your posts hints at it too but NFL athletes (and realistically any top level pro in most any sport) are so insanely strong in all aspects of their physical fitness. I remember seeing something posted about a NFL player going snowboarding for the first time and doing it very much the wrong way but their muscles being so strong and their coordination being so good, it literally didn't matter and they could stay upright even with bad technique. Yeah it was Kamara just like casually bombing straight down a mountain in Montana on apparently one of his first ever runs lol. I think most of us have friends or family (or maybe even the rare goon athlete) who easily do well at any kind of athletic stuff they try. Now imagine that natural ability times 10 plus it's literally their job to train year round with the best possible facilities and coaches and yeah. The video itself isn't anything crazy, other than doing it for the first time and immediately being very good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJE5L4IifUM
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I dunno about any of you but ever since this happened I keep thinking about how mentally hosed up i would be literally forever if at 24yrs old I had a man run into me and my heart stopped and i loving died
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beep by grandpa posted:I dunno about any of you but ever since this happened I keep thinking about how mentally hosed up i would be literally forever if at 24yrs old I had a man run into me and my heart stopped and i loving died Clint Malarchuk had severe PTSD after his injury. Don't look it up if you've never seen it.
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Kevlar v2.0 posted:Clint Malarchuk had severe PTSD after his injury. Or do if you want to see how much blood you can lose and still survive if you've got an ex-army medic right behind you (no really don't look it up).
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Grittybeard posted:Or do if you want to see how much blood you can lose and still survive if you've got an ex-army medic right behind you (no really don't look it up). Is this the hockey blade to the throat thing? Because I have seen that and holy poo poo no thanks.
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I've seen that once and that was enough thank you.
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I can watch just about every gross injury clip, but Clint Malarchuk is the one I will never watch
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Fellatio del Toro posted:on the other hand, no one wants to be the second guy to kill Hamlin, so that's gonna give you an advantage Counterpoint: The NFL is full of enough psychopaths that would view “My tackle/block killed a dude” as an accomplishment. I’m pretty sure horrible people like Taylor Lewan, or going back a bit Richie Incognito, would be proud of it.
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The most gnarly thing about the Clint Malarchuck thing is that he skated off under his own power and said afterward something to the effect of "I didn't want my mother to watch me die on the ice" Adrenaline is a hell of a drug.
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Rogue Elephant posted:Adrenaline is a hell of a drug. It’s wild to watch someone try to walk on an open tib-fib fx after a bad motorcycle wreck.
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Kevlar v2.0 posted:Clint Malarchuk had severe PTSD after his injury. from the replies to this i seem to remember something from a very long time ago about a dude (hockey goal keeper? i seem to recall him being by the net) who basically got his throat slit by an ice skate or something and the ice looked like an execution took place
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beep by grandpa posted:from the replies to this i seem to remember something from a very long time ago about a dude (hockey goal keeper? i seem to recall him being by the net) who basically got his throat slit by an ice skate or something and the ice looked like an execution took place Did they just clean up the blood and finish after this? I imagine they have some procedures in place for biohazard cleanup, but, uh, maybe not at that scale. Although depending on how long ago it was maybe that wasn't as big a concern.
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You just do a lot of zamboni-ing. Seriously. It happened about 15 years ago to another guy and there was only like a 15 minute delay
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fartknocker posted:Counterpoint: The NFL is full of enough psychopaths that would view “My tackle/block killed a dude” as an accomplishment. No, I don't actually think the NFL is full of players who want their opponent's heart to stop beating
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Come to think of it, I was at a minor league game where I saw the guys go into the corner, I followed the puck, and when I looked back, it was like a gallon jug of blood had exploded on the ice. No idea what happened and NO ONE SEEMED WORRIED. Nobody on the ice seemed to react or be injured. The only time I've ever seen so much was a deer getting vaporized by a tractor trailer. They just blew the play dead and mopped it up.
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go type in Zamboni Oil Leak into google images to see a very unfortunate coincidence  (I really hope i'm the first to show some of you this)
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Sash! posted:You just do a lot of zamboni-ing. That makes sense, but still kind of surprising. Between that and having been at two different hockey games where someone getting checked broke the glass, it is impressive how little downtime there is for fixing issues with the rink during hockey games.
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beep by grandpa posted:from the replies to this i seem to remember something from a very long time ago about a dude (hockey goal keeper? i seem to recall him being by the net) who basically got his throat slit by an ice skate or something and the ice looked like an execution took place That’s Clint Malarchuk. Happened in 1989.
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Kevlar v2.0 posted:Clint Malarchuk had severe PTSD after his injury. Just being around physical trauma or high-stakes situations like that can really mess a person up. Crazy Ted fucked around with this message at 04:34 on Jan 13, 2023 |
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Crazy Ted posted:Another blast from the past: The guy who rescued "Baby Jessica" from the well ended up getting PTSD & other mental health problems from the incident, and later committed suicide. This even though Baby Jessica herself suffered no long-term physical effects from her fall down the well - she's a married Special Ed teacher with kids. Just the pressure of the rescue itself had an enormous affect on the guy who did it. I read an article about Malarchuck because of this thread, he's ok now and did the whole 'Become a born again Christian with a book and a speaking tour" thing but he only got diagnosed with PTSD because he shot himself in the head and somehow survived that as well, and that's what got him to the right therapist
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Kevlar v2.0 posted:Clint Malarchuk had severe PTSD after his injury. Agreed, do not do that. Also I would absolutely retire and disappear
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I was watching the Redskins game when Joe Theismann got his compound ankle fracture. The worst part was the defensive lineman covering his helmet earholes in an effort to un-hear it.
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