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TheKevman
Dec 13, 2003
I thought Mad Max: Fury Road was
:mediocre:
so you should probably ignore anything else I say

seiferguy posted:

Scott Van Pelt said he's in critical condition in the hospital. So, he's still alive.

Hoping for the best but my god I think that this can mean a lot of bad things too

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TheKevman
Dec 13, 2003
I thought Mad Max: Fury Road was
:mediocre:
so you should probably ignore anything else I say


Yes, do it now

TheKevman
Dec 13, 2003
I thought Mad Max: Fury Road was
:mediocre:
so you should probably ignore anything else I say

Gadzuko posted:

Yeah nobody is going to replay that ever again unless he recovers. There is a chance you are watching someone die in that footage

That's how I felt in real time when he collapsed, I immediately texted my friend that was watching and my parents and my dad said "holy poo poo, I don't think that guy is gonna be ok"

Not religious but I'm praying and hoping my rear end off.

TheKevman
Dec 13, 2003
I thought Mad Max: Fury Road was
:mediocre:
so you should probably ignore anything else I say

Shimrra Jamaane posted:

Just give me a tweet that he's conscious again. Even if he needs assistance to keep stuff running just tell me he's there.

This

TheKevman
Dec 13, 2003
I thought Mad Max: Fury Road was
:mediocre:
so you should probably ignore anything else I say

FistEnergy posted:

What a horrible turn of events. Really hope he pulls through. At least a team of medical professionals was there to respond almost instantly.

This is the silver lining of this, if there is any. I think I remember from the Ryan Shazier injury that they were able to use some sort of brain stem/core coolant that was considered essentially inaccessible except for this situation.

Hopefully it prevented the worst outcome and Hamlin makes it through.

TheKevman
Dec 13, 2003
I thought Mad Max: Fury Road was
:mediocre:
so you should probably ignore anything else I say

RestingB1tchFace posted:

Over 600k now.

I'm in, least I can do

TheKevman
Dec 13, 2003
I thought Mad Max: Fury Road was
:mediocre:
so you should probably ignore anything else I say

fartknocker posted:

Same. Almost $700K now...

gently caress yea, let's loving goooooooooo

TheKevman
Dec 13, 2003
I thought Mad Max: Fury Road was
:mediocre:
so you should probably ignore anything else I say

Nice work goons, let's keep pushing the GFM if you can!

TheKevman
Dec 13, 2003
I thought Mad Max: Fury Road was
:mediocre:
so you should probably ignore anything else I say


Fair enough I mean it sounds like there's not much we'd be able to find out if he's in a medically induced coma.

TheKevman
Dec 13, 2003
I thought Mad Max: Fury Road was
:mediocre:
so you should probably ignore anything else I say

Literally just cracked 1 million in his GFM as I refreshed!

TheKevman
Dec 13, 2003
I thought Mad Max: Fury Road was
:mediocre:
so you should probably ignore anything else I say

fartknocker posted:

It's over $1 million now.

:dance: :dance: :dance:

TheKevman
Dec 13, 2003
I thought Mad Max: Fury Road was
:mediocre:
so you should probably ignore anything else I say

Mooseontheloose posted:

I feel like ESPN just gave a generation of people PTSD tonight.

Mostly Suzy Kolber with her eulogy-esque cut ins from commercial breaks.

At least 2 times I thought she was breaking the fact that he had died.

TheKevman
Dec 13, 2003
I thought Mad Max: Fury Road was
:mediocre:
so you should probably ignore anything else I say

Crazy Ted posted:

So possibly two lives saved tonight then

Oooof

Sad, but true.

TheKevman
Dec 13, 2003
I thought Mad Max: Fury Road was
:mediocre:
so you should probably ignore anything else I say

surf rock posted:

It's honestly incredible that there isn't an injury on most plays. Maybe it'll turn out that this was an underlying condition or whatever but football is such a ridiculous violent sport; I don't know how human bodies survive it.

It makes me think back to when we used to play tackle football on Thanksgiving turkeybowl. I was ~19 back from college and 6'3 210, so naturally running back :laugh:

I steamrolled over a guy I didn't know, and next series he dropped his shoulder into my sternum (not even trying to tackle) and cracked it. I'd imagine it was way worse looking than what we saw tonight, because he lined up and leapt into me.

I've rubbed that spot on my chest a couple times throughout this ordeal this evening, not gonna lie.

TheKevman
Dec 13, 2003
I thought Mad Max: Fury Road was
:mediocre:
so you should probably ignore anything else I say

Honestly guys they don't even deserve the shares, just ignore and move on.

TheKevman
Dec 13, 2003
I thought Mad Max: Fury Road was
:mediocre:
so you should probably ignore anything else I say

In happier news, according to my projections, Damar Hamlin's Go Fund Me will reach 10 million in the next few hours.

E: currently 1.2M

TheKevman
Dec 13, 2003
I thought Mad Max: Fury Road was
:mediocre:
so you should probably ignore anything else I say

abelwingnut posted:

i mean...yea, i don't have a good solution for this. no one does. what i know is it is not reasonable to have the bills or bengals play in five days. that's got to be the one criterion they have to make sure of.

go from there and figure out what works.

maybe the entire nfl takes the week off next week and pushes everything out a week? super bowl still happens at its normal time, but there's no longer the week gap before it?

Honestly, just shooting from the hip and not thinking things through really, but due to the severity of this injury and this being a first, I think this makes really good sense. An added bye of sorts.

"Logistics" and such, but man...unenviable spot, to be sure.

TheKevman
Dec 13, 2003
I thought Mad Max: Fury Road was
:mediocre:
so you should probably ignore anything else I say

BlindSite posted:

They should just play the game on line wednesday and flex both teams into an MNF double header or something. Either that or these two teams both effectively take a tie. You can't skip a week of football. or push back a playoff schedule.

You're probably right but the human in me says that a lot of players who, up until this point maybe hadn't really seen an injury that actually questioned mortality, might be having second thoughts about suiting up.

We see concussions and stuff multiple times every weekend and it's gross how we've normalized them as just part of the game, like an ankle sprain, but this was far, far different.

TheKevman
Dec 13, 2003
I thought Mad Max: Fury Road was
:mediocre:
so you should probably ignore anything else I say

Hopefully whatever the league decides, they let Skip know first because this is really, really serious stuff, and I need to know what he thinks about it.

TheKevman
Dec 13, 2003
I thought Mad Max: Fury Road was
:mediocre:
so you should probably ignore anything else I say

BlindSite posted:

I'm not denying that this situation is different and I'm not trying to handwave what Hamlin is going through - by any means, but the league doesn't and won't just stop. I'm not talking about whats right or what I would do. I'm just talking about what the league may do.

Yea I totally get that and you're right. The machine keeps rolling.

TheKevman
Dec 13, 2003
I thought Mad Max: Fury Road was
:mediocre:
so you should probably ignore anything else I say

$1.45m for the GFM! Dang!

It doubled since I donated! Crazy!

TheKevman
Dec 13, 2003
I thought Mad Max: Fury Road was
:mediocre:
so you should probably ignore anything else I say

wandler20 posted:

So apparently that toy drive was from 2020. Wonder what happens here.

Underprivileged and underserved kids get toys, in one way or another.

TheKevman
Dec 13, 2003
I thought Mad Max: Fury Road was
:mediocre:
so you should probably ignore anything else I say

Just do HORSE with the field goal kickers winner get the W.

TheKevman
Dec 13, 2003
I thought Mad Max: Fury Road was
:mediocre:
so you should probably ignore anything else I say

pyrotek posted:

Burrow vs. Allen in that Dr. Pepper scholarship game.

It's a tie! They both win!

TheKevman
Dec 13, 2003
I thought Mad Max: Fury Road was
:mediocre:
so you should probably ignore anything else I say


It's catching loving fire. In the span of you posting this til me writing this it jumped to almost 2.7m

TheKevman
Dec 13, 2003
I thought Mad Max: Fury Road was
:mediocre:
so you should probably ignore anything else I say

YOLOsubmarine posted:

Huge paragraph is a stretch. He says the NFL must be considering cancelling, wonders how they can do that given the complications, then says it ultimately doesn’t matter.

So then why post it since it doesn't matter?

YOLOsubmarine posted:

It was posted when nobody knew what was going to happen, whether the game was going to be restarted, and plenty of people were wondering the same thing including some on the thread here. Would the NFL actually dare to postpone or cancel the game?

And most decent people at that time were in universal agreement that none of that poo poo mattered at that moment and was, for all intents and purposes, irrelevant.

At the time that it happened, being in this thread and the GDT thread, NO one was openly opining about the game, when it would be played, how it would be played, except for that it didn't matter.

Except for Skip, who immediately wondered these things, and just had to give the first take.

It was heartless, poorly worded, and reflective of his overall callousness and beady-eyed rear end in a top hat approach to most things and he rightfully got called out for it. It has nothing to do with comprehension and everything to do with just being a decent human.

TheKevman
Dec 13, 2003
I thought Mad Max: Fury Road was
:mediocre:
so you should probably ignore anything else I say

Ches Neckbeard posted:

All we know for certain is critical condition in the ICU after cardiac arrest.

And 5 million extra reasons for him to smile after he recovers.

TheKevman
Dec 13, 2003
I thought Mad Max: Fury Road was
:mediocre:
so you should probably ignore anything else I say

Techno Remix posted:

Why does it feel so weird to be so affected by this? Like, I’ve seen people get hurt before, even pretty badly, but this is really sticking in my mind and I can’t get it out.

His team and his family are suffering so much more, I feel like such an rear end for feeling like I have any reason to be fixated on this.

I think in general we've become numb to most injuries, unfortunately, up to and including broken necks. I had to walk away from football for a while after I saw Jahvid Best in college suffer a nasty concussion and his body locked up in a super unnatural position. It made me want to vomit.

I think that collectively, we watch and know it's a dangerous sport replete with vicious injuries, but we never seriously consider death to be a possibiity- we know it is, and I think we've all worried at some point that we may watch the game where it happens (because we all know it will, at some point) but the realization last night that that very well could have been it shakes you to your core and, at least in my case, makes me think about taking a break again because the benefits (for me) of watching don't outweigh how I felt and what I saw last night, regardless of how rare.

TheKevman
Dec 13, 2003
I thought Mad Max: Fury Road was
:mediocre:
so you should probably ignore anything else I say

Cartoon Man posted:

Also, we all like Football. Like, really really really like football. The fact that a football player can die from a normal football hit is mega disturbing and most of us have never had to confront that reality before.

Exactly this.

TheKevman
Dec 13, 2003
I thought Mad Max: Fury Road was
:mediocre:
so you should probably ignore anything else I say

I want to believe in the hope that the uncle is sharing but I also understand that literally anything that they hear can and will be interpreted in the most positive way possible and I think that, as much as we want to believe, it's also probably mentally healthy to not allow ourselves to emotionally swing with whatever bits and pieces we get without getting a clearer picture from medical professionals.

C'mon Damar! :pray:

TheKevman
Dec 13, 2003
I thought Mad Max: Fury Road was
:mediocre:
so you should probably ignore anything else I say

Proteus Jones posted:

The GoFundMe is about $65K shy of $6M. Almost 200,000 people have donated.

This is amazing.

It's crazy to think that it has almost 10x'd just from the time that some of us found it...after it had already 300x'd.

TheKevman
Dec 13, 2003
I thought Mad Max: Fury Road was
:mediocre:
so you should probably ignore anything else I say

mllaneza posted:

In my experience 80% of chiropractors are woo idiots or just want you to come in twice a week for an adjustment indefinitely. These are the guys that will paralyze you by loving up a neck adjustment. The other 20% know how your bones are supposed to fit together, and why your muscles are in extreme pain when they don't. They mix massage therapy, physical therapy, radiology, and other specialists to figure out why you're in pain and fix it.

If the NFL hired the 1 in 5, the players are in good hands. If not, and this is far, far more likely, it's wasted effort at best.

I was always skeptical of the profession as well, having had the former.

Then I had an ex who got in a ski accident, could barely walk, the doctor's answers were painkillers and back surgery, and she met a chiro thru a friend of a friend that was the latter.

Now she walks pain free and doesn't have to go in anymore either for "maintenance" or whatever other term they use to try and get you in all the time.

TheKevman
Dec 13, 2003
I thought Mad Max: Fury Road was
:mediocre:
so you should probably ignore anything else I say

Arsenic Lupin posted:

Not true. Old people who have seen dentists all their lives don't get full plate dentures anymore. Dentures used to be so common that denture cream and denture cleaners were advertised on TV.

Why? You used to go to the dentist only if your mouth hurt. At that point, pulling the tooth might be the only answer. In the 1950s, one dentist (forget his name, obit was in the NYT) advocated for regular preventative care. Result? Small cavities were caught and fixed before they became abscesses.

Poor people can't afford preventative dentistry, and dentures are far more expensive now thanks to low demand. It's a double whammy.

Can confirm I haven't seen a Polydent denture cleaner "look, I just drop my dentures in and it fizzes!" commercial since like 1992.

TheKevman
Dec 13, 2003
I thought Mad Max: Fury Road was
:mediocre:
so you should probably ignore anything else I say

It's nice to know that not everyone, all the time, is Skip Bayless.

TheKevman
Dec 13, 2003
I thought Mad Max: Fury Road was
:mediocre:
so you should probably ignore anything else I say

Knocking on almost 48hrs without any sort of "real" news or updates.

Is this fairly standard? I think people were mentioning that we likely wouldn't know much for at least a few days.

I just hope that this isn't a situation where no news is bad news :ohdear: :pray:

TheKevman
Dec 13, 2003
I thought Mad Max: Fury Road was
:mediocre:
so you should probably ignore anything else I say

I'm not sure if they used the AED while he was on the field but I think there's speculation that one video in particular from what felt like an end zone cam may have been showing reactions of players as they literally were watching their guy, who only minutes earlier was playing football and laughing and high fiving with them, potentially get zapped by panels, something they'd almost assuredly only ever seen on TV.

I saw a guy get AED'd at the airport and to say it's unsettling would be a massive, massive understatement as someone who isn't in the medical profession.

TheKevman
Dec 13, 2003
I thought Mad Max: Fury Road was
:mediocre:
so you should probably ignore anything else I say

Asproigerosis posted:

I work in health care, I've watched people die, watched them run the code into futility and call it. Still gets me gucked up, even with years of seeing the brutal horrors of human frailty. I would not be surprised if this was a very significantly traumatic experience for not only the bills and Bengals, but the league at large. I certainly hope the NFL is offering counseling services to every player. All of the games this weekend are going to be difficult for players.

I can't remember if it was Clark of Booger or maybe Suzy but I feel like I remember someone saying this pretty soon after and they were spot on.

Seriously though, that SVP and Clark broadcast is something I'll never forget.

TheKevman
Dec 13, 2003
I thought Mad Max: Fury Road was
:mediocre:
so you should probably ignore anything else I say

Chief McHeath posted:

Working where there are lots of AEDs and a very real chance of needing to use one any given day will make you look at those things with a tremendous amount of respect and a burning hope that you never do have to use it.

God, I can absolutely imagine.

TheKevman
Dec 13, 2003
I thought Mad Max: Fury Road was
:mediocre:
so you should probably ignore anything else I say

Lifespan posted:

This is for real.

This is also for real.

I'm actually really thankful and glad that the players and staff walled up around him so there isn't more/detailed video of it.

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TheKevman
Dec 13, 2003
I thought Mad Max: Fury Road was
:mediocre:
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:five::five::five::five::five::five: holy gently caress this is incredibly well said and while the optimist in me wants to think this moment will translate to more, the realist in me says the NFL will keep it business as usual.

I'm acknowledging my own queasyness for the foreseeable future. I stopped watching the NFL for a year or so after Kevin Everett (which I saw live) and Ryan Shazier got me hosed up pretty good.

I'll be skipping the games this weekend and think it's time for me, personally, to take another break. Yes, it's a violent sport, yes they know it, yes, they signed up for it but there have to be bare minimums in a $100B league where we don't just chew up and spit out these players.

Obviously not gonna try to sway anyone else because everyone needs to do what they need to do but this one got me shook, bad.

At a minimum, guarantee the contracts and healthcare of our players. Every other sport has it, and this is far and away the one that deserves it the most.

I just feel so...dirty. And I hate it.

TheKevman fucked around with this message at 09:29 on Jan 5, 2023

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