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I don't think Elon Musk can be Speaker. Mostly because Speaker of the House is back-up if both the President and Vice-President dies, and Musk is not a natural-born citizen.
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DancingMachine posted:The Constitution is shockingly brief and ambiguous on who can be speaker. I would interpret this passage to imply that it must be a member of the House, but it seems to be commonly accepted that anyone (any citizen?) can be speaker, and many non-members have received votes in the past. What I am getting from this is that Speaker Trump is a lock, and I should dump all in on Predictit?
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Twincityhacker posted:I don't think Elon Musk can be Speaker. Mostly because Speaker of the House is back-up if both the President and Vice-President dies, and Musk is not a natural-born citizen. It would just skip over them to the senate pro tempore
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Wayne Knight posted:It would just skip over them to the senate pro tempore ...oh, that makes sense.
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Twincityhacker posted:I don't think Elon Musk can be Speaker. Mostly because Speaker of the House is back-up if both the President and Vice-President dies, and Musk is not a natural-born citizen. Non-natural-born citizens are just skipped in the line of succession when they hold a qualifying office. He could hold speaker but the presidency would go to Patty Murray of both Kamala and Biden died
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So what do the MAGA Republicans want out of Kevin and rhe rest of the GOP in order to vote for him as speaker?
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Jan 4, 2023 01:38
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Same thing happened to Albright when she was Secretary of State.
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BigRed0427 posted:So what do the MAGA Republicans want out of Kevin and rhe rest of the GOP in order to vote for him as speaker? Nothing. They want to ruin his career just to show they can. They got everything they could want out of him. He has nothing left but his hope.
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Jan 4, 2023 01:56
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BigRed0427 posted:So what do the MAGA Republicans want out of Kevin and rhe rest of the GOP in order to vote for him as speaker? 12 pints of blood.
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evilweasel posted:Nothing. They want to ruin his career just to show they can. They got everything they could want out of him. He has nothing left but his hope. Yiiikes. Just read something saying one of the things they wanted was one congressman being able for force a vote of no confidence on the speaker? I admit, I haven't been following the invide GOP stuff. The gently caress did this guy do to piss them off this bad.
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BigRed0427 posted:Yiiikes. He's kinda so nakedly political that nobody trusts him but it's also significantly not really about him specifically. It's about showing their power as a block, showing that they CAN do this to a potential speaker.
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Why was McCarthy the presumptive speaker in the first place? How is that usually chosen?
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StumblyWumbly posted:Are there any moderate republicans left who could say "gently caress this absolute shitshow, its dumb and bad for the country" and try to get democrats + like 20 republicans? Say its an anti-Trump republican who promises to just exclude the hard right anti-Kevin folks.
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VikingofRock posted:Why was McCarthy the presumptive speaker in the first place? How is that usually chosen? House Republicans had a vote about that, and he won about 88% of that vote. But nothing actually forces the anti-McCarthy Reps to honor that vote.
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Old Surly posted:Does KMC even have the ability to broker a deal overnight? Does anyone really like him? His ability to broker a deal overnight was crippled more and more with each vote. If he'd called for adjournment after the first vote, I think there's a good chance he ended up Speaker anyway. A lot of the no vote was initially symbolic, and even those who were firm nos would have already gotten their theater before enduring a night of donors and party/ideology "luminaries" hounding them to relent. Instead he insisted on trying to winning via attrition by forcing continuous voting, which naturally led to him losing support as it became clearer that he wasn't going to get it with each vote. No, not even Kevin McCarthy's mom likes him. StumblyWumbly posted:Are there any moderate republicans left who could say "gently caress this absolute shitshow, its dumb and bad for the country" and try to get democrats + like 20 republicans? Say its an anti-Trump republican who promises to just exclude the hard right anti-Kevin folks. There are 0 Republicans who would cross over to vote for Jeffries or another Democrat as Speaker. There is the possibility that poo poo gets so bad after multiple votes that one of the Republicans who still remembers what it was like to be sane gets to be Speaker after giving Democrats some concessions of stuff like a Debt Ceiling increase. BigRed0427 posted:So what do the MAGA Republicans want out of Kevin and rhe rest of the GOP in order to vote for him as speaker? McCarthy? At this point they expect him to die. The rest of the GOP? 
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BigRed0427 posted:Yiiikes. The current "compromise" that McCarthy had given ground on was that five congresspeople would be needed for a no-confidence resolution. The functional difference between one and five is fairly negligible -- I mean, this is a House that has Gosar, Boebert, Biggs, Gaetz and Roy in it, so there's a permanent five right there -- but insisting that it go down to one is a symbolic knife-twist. The lesson of Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema is an obvious one; when narrow majorities and being in the right numeric place at the right time give you leverage, you use that leverage and grab and twist as hard as you can. The kooks want either one of their own as Speaker, or to neuter the rules and procedures to the point where the kooks will have dramatically increased input and control over committees, amendments, investigations et al. Their only tool to gain this is this withholding of support, and it's effective; McCarthy can't climb the ladder without either their support or defecting Democrats', and the latter would be instant career suicide for both him and for those Dems. Gyges posted:His ability to broker a deal overnight was crippled more and more with each vote. If he'd called for adjournment after the first vote, I think there's a good chance he ended up Speaker anyway. A lot of the no vote was initially symbolic, and even those who were firm nos would have already gotten their theater before enduring a night of donors and party/ideology "luminaries" hounding them to relent. Instead he insisted on trying to winning via attrition by forcing continuous voting, which naturally led to him losing support as it became clearer that he wasn't going to get it with each vote. Going from nineteen to twenty, with the twentieth being the guy Chip Roy voted for in round one, isn't what I'd call a massive momentum shift. It was probably more surprising that Donalds voted McCarthy in the first two rounds. Now, if he'd gone from 19 to 39 or 59 or 79 against in later votes, that's a very different ballgame. And it still might be. The backroom screaming tonight will be interesting, because while the kooks know that they can drag this out by holding firm, the pressure on some of them to cave (whether carrot or stick) will be immense. It will be illuminating whether "knock it off, already" to the kooks or "you literally can't win, endorse someone else" to McCarthy will be the prevailing vibe.
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It seems like McCarthy cares mostly about is getting speaker as his job title, so it would be a win-win if Republicans and Democrats made a deal where McCarthy is speaker but the house has to hold a vote on anything that passes the senate with a filibuster proof majority. McCarthy gets to sit at the cool speaker desk with the big kids only sign on it, Democrats get to raise the debt ceiling and pass uncontroversial things, Republicans get to block BRANDON'S SOCIALIST AGENDA (or talk about bipartisanship if Trump goes down in flames next year), the anti-McCarthy group get to grandstand about how every other republican is for BRANDON'S SOCIALIST AGENDA. I mean it's not going to happen because any Republican who joins that will lose a primary to a cartoon villain who was at 1/6, but other than that it would work out for everyone involved. James Garfield fucked around with this message at 02:57 on Jan 4, 2023 |
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BigRed0427 posted:Yiiikes. He's an openly ambitious political weathervane who, by all accounts, will do drat near anything to gain power. He happily went MAGA went the Freedom Caucus was on the rise and Trump went up that escalator, but they're not convinced he'll be a reliable ally now that Trump's power has been shaken. And before Trump rose to power, he was heavily aligned with the old GOP leadership - including John Boehner, who was driven out of the speakership by the Freedom Caucus. And like others said, there's some value in thwarting the party's leading pick just to prove that they can. Even though they're a small faction, they intend to frequently present all sorts of demands and red lines. Showing that they're willing to openly buck the party like this makes it clear that their threats won't be empty and that their demands can't be ignored so easily.
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VikingofRock posted:Why was McCarthy the presumptive speaker in the first place? How is that usually chosen? He's the majority leader and was the top ranking republican when they were in the minority so he would by modern precedent be the top ranking republican when they were in the majority. party leadership is chosen by ballot in party meetings although usually the field gets whittled down to one person for each post by people just talking to each other and horse-trading behind the scenes in the months beforehand since its only around 200 people or so.
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"Much like a Taliban, I also rape children."
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Bel Shazar posted:"Much like a Taliban, I also rape children." gently caress you beat me to it!
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Bel Shazar posted:"Much like a Taliban, I also rape children." calling them congressman-elect is funny because its technically true and guaranteed to drive every single one of the them batty.
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Imagine "when he's right, he's right"-ing about somebody comparing you to the Taliban lol
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So can they actually do anything without a speaker? Or can an obstructionist party with a slim majority use something like the Freedom caucus crowd as an excuse to keep the US without a Congress indefinitely, which with a Dem in the White House seems to their advantage
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There is a halal joke In there somewhere but Gaetz shouldn’t be permissible in any circumstance
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From 2015:    
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slurm posted:So can they actually do anything without a speaker? Or can an obstructionist party with a slim majority use something like the Freedom caucus crowd as an excuse to keep the US without a Congress indefinitely, which with a Dem in the White House seems to their advantage A house without a speaker smashes through the debt ceiling and never does any business necessary for the running of the country. Getting to the 700th or 900th ballot of voting on the speaker via voice vote would be really funny though.
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seriously though, when is the FBI coming down on this guy?
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Mooseontheloose posted:seriously though, when is the FBI coming down on this guy? Never. They've already said they don't give a poo poo about prosecuting him/don't think they can make a case a jury will buy so they're just gonna let him walk.
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Gerund posted:A house without a speaker smashes through the debt ceiling and never does any business necessary for the running of the country. Which is kind of the point of the exercise, from their perspective. The McConnells and McCarthys of the world want absolutely nothing to pass either house unless (a) it directly benefits them and/or (b) it is ABSOLUTELY necessary for the continued existence of civilization. The Chip Roys of the world want to skip the (b) part entirely.
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I'm not gonna hand anything to Matt Gaetz but it WAS amazingly presumptuous of K-Mack to move all his poo poo into the Speaker's office before they even held the vote. So gently caress yeah, make him crate it all up and move it back to his original tiny cubicle, just for the continued humiliation alone.
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slurm posted:So can they actually do anything without a speaker? Or can an obstructionist party with a slim majority use something like the Freedom caucus crowd as an excuse to keep the US without a Congress indefinitely, which with a Dem in the White House seems to their advantage It looks like the House can do literally nothing without a speaker. No committees, no subpoenas, no bills, no floor speeches (maybe they can do a speech about the speaker? idk). While the Rs have been obstructionists for decades, it sounds like some of them are getting tired of it, especially since it often just doesn't work. Right now it doesn't even look like they're holding to a hard line, they just can't get their poo poo together enough to choose a leader. Gyges posted:There are 0 Republicans who would cross over to vote for Jeffries or another Democrat as Speaker. There is the possibility that poo poo gets so bad after multiple votes that one of the Republicans who still remembers what it was like to be sane gets to be Speaker after giving Democrats some concessions of stuff like a Debt Ceiling increase. It would be funny, but Jeffries definitely won't become speaker here. I was wondering if there was a more moderate republican who could get a cross party ticket, like a Liz Cheney, but its easy to believe they've all been voted out.
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StumblyWumbly posted:It would be funny, but Jeffries definitely won't become speaker here. I was wondering if there was a more moderate republican who could get a cross party ticket, like a Liz Cheney, but its easy to believe they've all been voted out. That's not to say that it couldn't happen, or that I don't want it to happen, but christ what an amazing tantrum these people would throw if it came down to that.
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