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Google Jeb Bush posted:I'm not saying it's likely, but at this point I'd be completely unsurprised if he faked his district residency, US citizenship, and/or not having murdered the original George Santos and stolen his identity "Whomst among us hasn't..."
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Google Jeb Bush posted:I'm not saying it's likely, but at this point I'd be completely unsurprised if he faked his district residency, US citizenship, and/or not having murdered the original George Santos and stolen his identity Given the usual levels of projection at play, by the end of the week someone will accuse Pelosi of having smuggled Santos into the country thinking that he'd be one more reliable non-white vote in her quest to kickstart the Great Replacement.
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Jan 7, 2023 23:25
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To re-clarify something that's come up a few times already, I don't believe we presently know that Gaetz is getting Armed Services committee chair. Rumors have spread that he's getting the chair or a subcommittee chair- but we really don't know.
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delfin posted:Given the usual levels of projection at play, by the end of the week someone will accuse Pelosi of having smuggled Santos into the country thinking that he'd be one more reliable non-white vote in her quest to kickstart the Great Replacement. I predict Elise Stefanik.
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Jan 7, 2023 23:48
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koolkal posted:There is a close to 0% chance Santos gets removed. He's going to be indicted and convicted by the republican long island DA investigating him, McCarthy will incompetently attempt to lean on him as a fellow republican that just makes everything worse, he will still be in congress while in prison and when questioned on this by reporters McCarthy will promise to "talk to him"
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koolkal posted:There is a close to 0% chance Santos gets removed. The extradition request from Brazil will be pretty awkward; I wish I understood the kinda-immunity stuff in the Constitution. OddObserver fucked around with this message at 00:44 on Jan 8, 2023 |
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Jan 8, 2023 00:42
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:He's going to be indicted and convicted by the republican long island DA investigating him, McCarthy will incompetently attempt to lean on him as a fellow republican that just makes everything worse, Well he is under investigation by both state and Feds which it looks like his campaign is full of crimes. He is no doubt going to be indicted and convicted quickly. In the new rules they just pushed they are changing the rules to basically automatically remove someone when they are convicted of crime, although I don’t see them getting passed. Really though once the investigators start dropping what he did Santos is going to be radioactive. There is a level of protection and circling the wagons both parties do for members but I am pretty sure they are going to send that guy out to the sharks. There is zero upside to defending him at all and absolutely less than zero chance he will win re-election in that district. Thomas Suozzi is going to cruise to take that seat again in 2024 and the GOP has likely lost any chance at winning again there for quite awhile due to Santos.
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Djarum posted:Well he is under investigation by both state and Feds which it looks like his campaign is full of crimes. He is no doubt going to be indicted and convicted quickly. In the new rules they just pushed they are changing the rules to basically automatically remove someone when they are convicted of crime, although I don’t see them getting passed. That would admittedly be funny if it got passed and immediately blew up in Republican faces. Especially since the "crimes" they want to investigate Democrats from will be summarily laughed out of the DOJ office.
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OddObserver posted:The extradition request from Brazil will be pretty awkward; I wish I understood the kinda-immunity stuff in the Constitution. The immunity in question doesn't really exist for all practical purposes from what I understand. The rule is that Congressmen can't be arrested while congress is in session except for treason, felonies and breaches of the peace which has been interpreted as meaning basically any crime. Apparently it was common practice in the colonial era to arrest people when they got sued which doesn't really happen anymore.
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It was common legal practice at the time because basically no systems existed to track if people were actually REAL, much less where they were. So if someone was getting sued for enough to bankrupt them 1( they often would end up in debtors jail after to try and shake any hidden money out of them and 2( they had very little to stop them from throwing everything of value in a cart and moving towns to evade justice. About half the constitution is patching problems that other early and ancient democracies had, thus setting up for having thousands of teachable moments to the next wave of democracies.
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OddObserver posted:The extradition request from Brazil will be pretty awkward; I wish I understood the kinda-immunity stuff in the Constitution. the what now request can't tell if you're joking
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Google Jeb Bush posted:the what now request George Santos committed check fraud in Brazil in 2008.
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Pendragon posted:This is what I'm trying to figure out: HOW is he keeping the rest in line? What's the benefit to supporting McCarthy for the "true" Republicans? The simple answer is that nobody else is stupid enough to want the Speaker seat right now. Managing this much chaos with a slim majority is a miserable job. Kammat posted:If anyone's curious, here are the raw text and an analysis of what's currently pending for house rules. There's still a ton to finalize and they need formally introduced but you can see what were in for Monday. Monday is going to be pretty funny. Here's some highlights:
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How much of that is actually going to happen
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Great idea to open up a bunch of investigations and setting aside money for bullshit after wanting to *checks notes* make it harder to get tax revenues or indeed raise taxes at all. Gonna guess the "disputed election fund" would just be more money laundering.
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Froghammer posted:How much of that is actually going to happen The ones involving committee investigations and the ones involving rules for the House are plausible. Anything requiring passing a law is less likely unless they can weld it to a federal must-pass bill, which appears to be a no-go unless a much larger share of the R caucus is actually in favor of it.
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Main Paineframe posted:The simple answer is that nobody else is stupid enough to want the Speaker seat right now. Managing this much chaos with a slim majority is a miserable job.
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Twincityhacker posted:I don't know. I don't think anyone knows at this point. Yeah, if the last week has taught us anything its that McCarthy, Scalise and McHenry are loving terrible at vote counting and whipping. Pelosi would dig up your favorite fourth grade teacher to tell you she was disappointed in you for not voting the right way, McCarthy just begs you on his hands and knees.
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Can't wait for the Select Subcommittee on the Weaponization of the Federal Government to come to the realization "It was us. It was us all along!" Also the national jinxing of being unable to consider anything that raises spending after a massive disaster. Sorry Texas, we'd love to help you with that meteor falling into the eye of the hurricane over Crenshaw's house. Unfortunately that would cost money and we aren't allowed to spend any more. Youth Decay posted:3/5th is an interesting fraction to use. Honestly I''m still not sure whether it's an intentional "lol we're racist trash" or just an accidental wanted to say 60% in "legislativeese" and the only people checking our numbers are racist trash thing.
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I'm pretty sure every supermajority requirement in Congress involves either a 2/3rds or 3/5ths majority, so if they chose it to be cackling silent film villain levels of racist they chose poorly because it's 99% indistinguishable from a perfectly ordinary choice.
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Those darned police defenders and their so-called Blue Line. We need to unappropriate the police.
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Gyges posted:Honestly I''m still not sure whether it's an intentional "lol we're racist trash" or just an accidental wanted to say 60% in "legislativeese" and the only people checking our numbers are racist trash thing. They could have gone with 88/140
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This explains a lot. https://twitter.com/BadLipReading/status/1611934183110365184?s=20&t=QpwzZufxTTVqEaT9MbbCcg
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Gyges posted:
They would put exceptions in. It's probably going to just be "dem states don't get any help". If New York and New Jersey get another hurricane sandy, there's no help coming from the federal government.
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I'd say New York has decent odds of getting help, since New York is about the only reason the Republicans have the House. Obviously we're dealing with a caucus of scorpions, but the way things are looking any loose block of votes is enough to force McCarthy to grovel. Still can't believe the Republicans are seriously thinking about giving each member the ability to suddenly declare "Chaos Reigns" at any moment. Especially since McCarthy is only holding onto his seat by essentially half a vote.
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Google Jeb Bush posted:the what now request he is probably the same George Santos as a George Santos who committed felonies in Brazil i hope they gently caress up passing rules
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tbf it's equally possible he murdered that George Santos and assumed his identity has anyone pressed cold iron against him to see if he's some kind of fae? all i'm saying is if George Santos is a skinwalker i won't be surprised
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Relevant Tangent posted:all i'm saying is if George Santos is a skinwalker i won't be surprised Someone find out if Santos sleeps like a coyote, nose to anus.
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Relevant Tangent posted:tbf it's equally possible he murdered that George Santos and assumed his identity "will the conservatives caucus a yee naaldlooshii willingly?" roundtable next on cnn
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Someone find out if Santos sleeps like a coyote, nose to anus. What? It's fun!
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genuinely surprised there's no "handle this bit of cold iron" part of any swearing in ceremonies in america or the uk, guess the assumption is inhuman entities can't swear on a holy book which seems like the kind of thing you wouldn't want to assume
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They get to choose their own book. There was one who swore over a Superman comic or something this time, wasn't there?
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https://twitter.com/mzanona/status/1612463232383426560?s=46&t=VkIWyMaM__3PdkRwyBpp_w So the shitshow continues at noon today?
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So what happens if they can't pass the new rules? Does everything just come to a halt, or is there some sort of "If the Speaker cannot pass rules for the house within X time, they are removed from Speaker position and a new vote for Speaker is held"... uh... rule?
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Randalor posted:So what happens if they can't pass the new rules? Does everything just come to a halt, or is there some sort of "If the Speaker cannot pass rules for the house within X time, they are removed from Speaker position and a new vote for Speaker is held"... uh... rule? They basically can't do anything without a rules package unless every single member of the House agrees on something. And doing that for literally every single action would take years to pass a single bill. So, they will find some sort of rules package. It will probably be like the Speaker situation where they just delay it for a while before ultimately landing on the original choice anyway.
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Main Paineframe posted:Monday is going to be pretty funny. Here's some highlights: Don't forget other winning policies such as no unionizing for our congressional staffers and no nda clauses that let them talk to the ethics committee or office of workplace conditions board. Truly showing they have only the workers best interests at heart and setting a model of benevolent office culture. Some of these things look like they would need real laws or constitutional amendments to actually enforce.
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