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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:They basically can't do anything without a rules package unless every single member of the House agrees on something. And doing that for literally every single action would take years to pass a single bill. Is there another speaker election next year or does it hold until new House elections? Can McCarthy now go, "Well, sorry guys your crazy rules package didn't pass. We'll have to go with the old rules." and not have to worry about blowback until a totally new House is elected?
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PostNouveau posted:Is there another speaker election next year or does it hold until new House elections? Can McCarthy now go, "Well, sorry guys your crazy rules package didn't pass. We'll have to go with the old rules." and not have to worry about blowback until a totally new House is elected? Every new House. So, every 2 years. Although, they can apparently force a vote whenever they want if they agree to the rule changes McCarthy promised.
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Barrel Cactaur posted:
Honestly? The potential pipeline of: Rules package -> court case -> supreme court win seems like a way more credible agenda than any actual legislation
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PostNouveau posted:Is there another speaker election next year or does it hold until new House elections? Can McCarthy now go, "Well, sorry guys your crazy rules package didn't pass. We'll have to go with the old rules." and not have to worry about blowback until a totally new House is elected? The sitting Speaker can be removed at any time by passing a motion to vacate, which is essentially a no-confidence vote. However, House rules sometimes restrict when and how a motion to vacate can be brought to the floor. So how easy it is to remove McCarthy depends entirely on the contents of the rules package that gets passed. One of the concessions the Freedom Caucus demanded from McCarthy, of course, was a rule that would make it extremely easy to bring a motion to vacate to the floor, allowing just a single member to call a no-confidence vote at any time. Barrel Cactaur posted:Don't forget other winning policies such as no unionizing for our congressional staffers and no nda clauses that let them talk to the ethics committee or office of workplace conditions board. Generally, the ones that require a law are just saying "McCarthy commits to bring a bill about this to the floor so that it could be voted on and turned into a law". It basically requires him to bring their dumb poo poo up for a floor vote, and prevents him from ignoring their wild ideas on the specified subjects.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Every new House. So, every 2 years. Main Paineframe posted:The sitting Speaker can be removed at any time by passing a motion to vacate, which is essentially a no-confidence vote. However, House rules sometimes restrict when and how a motion to vacate can be brought to the floor. So how easy it is to remove McCarthy depends entirely on the contents of the rules package that gets passed. Thanks. It kinda sounds like letting the crazy rules package fail and then telling the Freedom Caucus to go pound sand could be a viable move for this session but then McCarthy would have to either beat them all in primaries or the Dems would have to win in 2024 for him to not face any consequences from that.
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PostNouveau posted:Thanks. Yes, but at the same time McCarthy has yet to show any long term thinking. It seems like 70-85% of his problems come from being a dumbfuck with a customer of the month parking at the political payday loan center. So whatever happens, we can be confident absolutely no thoughts about what happens in 2024 ever crossed his mind.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:They get to choose their own book. There was one who swore over a Superman comic or something this time, wasn't there? It was a pretty cute setup for Robert Garcia. He was sworn in on a copy of the US Consitution, but underneath was his citizen certificate, a photo of his parenrts who died of COVID-19, and the aforementioned Superman comic. One of the ways Garcia learned to speak English after he came to the US was though reading comics. So the most famous immigrant superhero would be 10/10 on the symbology scale.
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Is there anything in the rules stopping Mc Carthy from making the Rules 'need a 25% of Republican Caucus to initiate a vote to vacate, the House recognizes Gaetz is a fuckstain and I don't give a poo poo about a broken promise to him?' besides, well, the wrath of primary electorate?
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Shogeton posted:Is there anything in the rules stopping Mc Carthy from making the Rules 'need a 25% of Republican Caucus to initiate a vote to vacate, the House recognizes Gaetz is a fuckstain and I don't give a poo poo about a broken promise to him?' besides, well, the wrath of primary electorate? From putting them down on paper? No, but you would still need a majority of the house to approve them to make them binding.
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Twincityhacker posted:It was a pretty cute setup for Robert Garcia. He was sworn in on a copy of the US Consitution, but underneath was his citizen certificate, a photo of his parenrts who died of COVID-19, and the aforementioned Superman comic. 
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Shogeton posted:Is there anything in the rules stopping Mc Carthy from making the Rules 'need a 25% of Republican Caucus to initiate a vote to vacate, the House recognizes Gaetz is a fuckstain and I don't give a poo poo about a broken promise to him?' besides, well, the wrath of primary electorate? nope, but the freedom caucus might decide to vote those rules down on general principles and the democrats are going to keep chaos house going as long as possible
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In the land of Mordor, in the fires of Mount Doom, the Dark Lord Brandon forged in secret a master coin, to control all others. And into this coin he poured his cruelty, his malice, and his brother's magnum dong.
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Shogeton posted:Is there anything in the rules stopping Mc Carthy from making the Rules 'need a 25% of Republican Caucus to initiate a vote to vacate, the House recognizes Gaetz is a fuckstain and I don't give a poo poo about a broken promise to him?' besides, well, the wrath of primary electorate? There are almost no rules stopping The Rules from being whatever fever dream The Speaker wants. The main limit is that The Rules must pass with a majority, so McCarthy only has like 5 votes to gently caress around with if the Democrats all vote no. Primaries are all but irrelevant. There are virtually no rules that would be laid out which anyone would think about when it comes time for an election. Like any rules about Gaetz specifically are only going to maybe affect Matt Gaetz' primary. Even in the event of an insane rule, like "All interns must be approved by Matt Gaetz after a private meeting in his office" I doubt it has any effect in a primary. In the general it'd be used as a cudgel against the Republicans, but it's unlikely to be worded that glaringly terrible. I can't think of any time in American History anyone has cared about House Rules when they specifically aren't members of the House. I don't even expect the proposed rule that the Debt Ceiling be held hostage for SS/Medicare cuts to have any effect electorally.
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House in session debating the rules package now. Will be interesting to see if McCarthy has the votes. Most of the backroom deals that were made aren't actually going into it. Looks like a few R's have said they won't support the rules package because of this, but there may not be enough votes to block it. They seem to be intent on pushing forward pretty quickly. https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1612555075456585766 I was only able to find a stream by logging in with my tv subscription credentials here:https://www.c-span.org/networks/?channel=c-span. Post any other streams if they pop up.
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Still amused that some Republicans now want to cut defense spending because of "wokeness", which of course makes other Republicans against the rules package. EDIT:  quote:Rep. Tom Cole, the chairman of the House Rules Committee, told CNN: “I’m willing to cut spending and we need to do that. I’m not willing to cut defense and that is half the discretionary budget.” I mean, I know this poo poo is obvious and that it doesn't really matter but it's loving hilarious that Republicans constantly drop the mask on spending cuts the moment cuts to defense come up as a remote possibility. Angry_Ed fucked around with this message at 23:33 on Jan 9, 2023 |
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the house got rid of the cool cspan cameras to make it more boring because mccarthy is a cowardly piece of poo poo
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-Blackadder- posted:I was only able to find a stream by logging in with my tv subscription credentials here:https://www.c-span.org/networks/?channel=c-span. Post any other streams if they pop up. Here ya go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdNeXCnBeXE
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-Blackadder- posted:House in session debating the rules package now. Will be interesting to see if McCarthy has the votes.
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There was no majority until the speaker was elected, so this is technically correct. The best kind of correct.
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So there's 100% an addendum with all the poo poo Boebert and Gaetz squeezed out of McCarthy, then?
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Echophonic posted:So there's 100% an addendum with all the poo poo Boebert and Gaetz squeezed out of McCarthy, then? Absolutely and I think some republican rep said that it exists and they were "going over it" to reporters.
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It only takes 6 defections to no to sink the rules. Badd odds of your trying to instantly betray before even floating the dead letter fascist wishlist.
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Jaxyon posted:"1st order of business. Get the cameras out of here like we were cops" It's The People's House. No, The People, who pay our salaries, are not allowed to watch what we're doing.
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Dems are about to go on a really bad ride. https://twitter.com/RepGosar/status/1611781401099268096?s=20
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Nonsense posted:Dems are about to go on a really bad ride. The evolution of Jan 6th in the rightwingosphere has been amazing.
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Can't believe Joe Biden did a coup to stop Joe Biden from getting elected.
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It’s what the next two years are going to be: insane grievances invented solely to appeal to their most rabid base with nothing of note happening that they’ll try to spin as UNENDING SCANDALS by corrupt Joe Biden during the next presidential election like they tried to do back in the 90s with Clinton’s re-election. It’ll go well with their base, who they don’t have to appeal to, but everyone else will get exhausted by being told they need to be outraged at Joe Biden selling straight white children to alien space Jews or whatever imagined grievance they investigate at the time of the election
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Didn't Clinton's approval go up after his impeachment? I could see that happening here, especially if it's the transparent bullshit it's likely to be.
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Meatball posted:Didn't Clinton's approval go up after his impeachment? I could see that happening here, especially if it's the transparent bullshit it's likely to be. Yes, he's the only President to have left office with a higher approval rating than when their term began. Though the economy probably played a bigger role in that than the impeachment stuff
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Dr. VooDoo posted:It’s what the next two years are going to be: insane grievances invented solely to appeal to their most rabid base with nothing of note happening that they’ll try to spin as UNENDING SCANDALS by corrupt Joe Biden during the next presidential election like they tried to do back in the 90s with Clinton’s re-election. It’ll go well with their base, who they don’t have to appeal to, but everyone else will get exhausted by being told they need to be outraged at Joe Biden selling straight white children to alien space Jews or whatever imagined grievance they investigate at the time of the election Well, there's also the possibility some genuine crisis comes up in the next two years that requires swift action from the government to deal with, which is where things get
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The thread was resurrected almost to the day after a year. So when I scrolled up to read about McCarthy, I thought I’d missed a major plot turn and return.
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