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They've already given in on every position except Kevin himself. Some other KM supporters have mentioned that their support does have an expiration and that they'd look to a compromise candidate if KM keeps losing. But the probability of success of a compromise candidate is greatly increased by KM actually first stepping aside. If KM doesnt step aside and if enough of the moderates become incensed at the fact that the Gaetz/Boebert faction doesnt even have the respect for them to try and hide that they're being chaos agents, that could harden some of KM's core support just out of spite and make it more difficult for a compromise candidate to actually win. The longer this goes on, the more animosity-driven stubbornness we're likely to see, at least until they all reach some exhaustion point and need to go take their meds and have a nap. -Blackadder- fucked around with this message at 21:51 on Jan 5, 2023 |
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Feels Villeneuve posted:republicans in disarray cr0y posted:I wonder if any of the Democrats are playing video games wirelessly with each other Hopefully the Dems are paying attention to the humiliation on display and taking the correct lesson from it... It hasn't exactly been a well-oiled machine on Team Blue, but it's a far cry from the days of the blue dogs and anyone hearing the name of Joe Leiberman. There was a time a few decades back when the GOP had the entire country convinced that the Republican Party were the adults in the room and it was the Democrats who were in disarray. For a former segregationist and octogenarian Biden's been surprisingly effective for us as a reprogrammed Terminator. Jeffries seems to have his people in line as well, which means there's actually a chance he can fill Pelosi's shoes. The entire country seeing you as weak and ineffectual is not a fun feeling. Hopefully the Dems remember that.
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:Compromise candidate beginning to be floated publicly by a completely unsurprising person This is a miscalculation on her part. I lived in Anchorage and R&D coalitions do work in Alaska, but it's because Alaska has its own identity separate from the lower 48, so national parties don't matter as much as someone's reputation. That's not something you can just drop in and automatically make work in the U.S. Congress.
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Gyges posted:She's signaling, almost certainly with leadership's agreement, that there are options other than McCarthy, Jeffries, or an unending hostage crisis instigated by the HFC. Hopefully. If Jeffries didn't give a speech to the freshmen that included, "if this is your first year in the U.S. Congress, then welcome to the U.S. Congress, keep your mouth shut until you've been here at least another year", then he's not doing his job.
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https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1610826413082554370 It's interesting to watch this dynamic play out. Boebert seems genuinely shocked that she received no GOP memo stating that, much like "fiscal conservatism", all that "drain the swamp" talk was just something Republicans say they're going to do while they're in the opposition and then actually do the opposite when they're in charge. I don't see how the 20 holdouts don't eventually fold. For one, they're not just up against the establishment GOP, they're also up against all the major players that would usually be on their side like Trump, MTG and Jordan, etc. Boebert also looks like a deer in the headlights and at some point she and the rest of the holdouts are going to start getting berated by someone whose opinion they do care about. The only one I might believe would never cave and just stand there with a poo poo-eating grin on his face for the next two years while the rest of the House Republicans burned, would be Gaetz.
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Saw these flips coming. That Hannity interview with Boebert I posted last night really showed how disorganized the holdout coalition was. It was pathetically obvious that they have no viable alternative candidate. Their strategy seems to be just stonewalling and humiliating McCarthy until he gives in and steps aside so that a viable compromise candidate can emerge. But McCarthy seems to realize that no matter how many miles of poo poo he has to crawl through and humiliation he has to suffer, as long as he keeps going, and never steps aside, there will be no space for a viable compromise candidate to emerge and he will eventually be elected Speaker due to there simply being no other options, and he will have his Shawshank moment. Only 7 holdouts left. Should just be a matter of time now. Social Psychology suggests enough of the holdouts will cave (or compromise by voting present) to the peer pressure eventually. -Blackadder- fucked around with this message at 19:28 on Jan 6, 2023 |
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Gyges posted:Basically what we're going to see today, and maybe the next time the gavel in, is who can be personally bought out of their opposition and who is here to sacrifice McCarthy to Moloch. We're almost certain that there are between 5 and 8 hardliners who will only relent when Keven McCarthy's head is mounted above the doors to the Chamber. I think Gaetz is the only irredeemable hardliner who will burn it all and that's just because the guy takes absolutely none of this seriously. Even him they could probably flip if they came up with something to give him that he thought was even funnier than him continuing to troll everyone. As for the Dems, is it accurate that any backroom concessions or promises McCarthy makes to anyone are just based on his word alone and there's no real legal basis that any of those promises be kept? If so then the Dems would be idiots to accept any deal from McCarthy. McCarthy's biggest shame is that he wants everyone on his side to like him so much, yet they all, even his supporters, actually hate him. For the GOP one of the worst crimes is working with the Democrats. At the same time, one of best ways to score points with the GOP is to gently caress over and humiliate the Democrats. So McCarthy would be incredibly incentivized to go back on any deal he made with the Democrats and then smugly pretend it was all part of some chessmaster genius strategy to gently caress them over and advance Conservative ideals.
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Looks like what's left of the holdouts have regrouped and made their blood pact. Will be interesting to see if Trump can flip the ones needed.
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Youth Decay posted:https://twitter.com/BrianKarem/status/1611440989582856203 Sounds like the Dems being cute and trying to blow up the newly established fragile McCarthy coalition. Question: If the rules package needs to be written and then voted on, and that all takes place AFTER McCarthy is made speaker, why would Perry and the rest trust that any of these extreme concessions that McCarthy is making would actually go through? McCarthy wouldn't even have to stab them in the back personally, if the rules package with all their crazy poo poo in it fails, he's Pontius Pilate, it's not on him that the rest of the party is reluctant to adopt a rules package that could've been written by the Joker.
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House in session debating the rules package now. Will be interesting to see if McCarthy has the votes. Most of the backroom deals that were made aren't actually going into it. Looks like a few R's have said they won't support the rules package because of this, but there may not be enough votes to block it. They seem to be intent on pushing forward pretty quickly. https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1612555075456585766 I was only able to find a stream by logging in with my tv subscription credentials here:https://www.c-span.org/networks/?channel=c-span. Post any other streams if they pop up.
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