US House TVIV: Watch me (Whip/nay nay)

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Shrecknet posted:

assuming K-Mac is brokering his own coronation, what bargaining pieces are on the table? Committee Chairs? how does that work vis-a-vis seniority? I'm sure the guy on Energy who's been there for 30 years is gonna be pretty chuffed that Boebert is the new chair of that committee in exchange for her vote, right?
What arrows are in his quiver to even dole out? Better parking spots?

single person threshold for motion to vacate so the next two years can all be just like today

# ¿ Jan 4, 2023 00:42

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# ¿ May 9, 2024 23:10

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Twincityhacker posted:

I don't think Elon Musk can be Speaker. Mostly because Speaker of the House is back-up if both the President and Vice-President dies, and Musk is not a natural-born citizen.

Non-natural-born citizens are just skipped in the line of succession when they hold a qualifying office. He could hold speaker but the presidency would go to Patty Murray of both Kamala and Biden died

# ¿ Jan 4, 2023 01:35

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VikingofRock posted:

Why was McCarthy the presumptive speaker in the first place? How is that usually chosen?

He's the majority leader and was the top ranking republican when they were in the minority so he would by modern precedent be the top ranking republican when they were in the majority. party leadership is chosen by ballot in party meetings although usually the field gets whittled down to one person for each post by people just talking to each other and horse-trading behind the scenes in the months beforehand since its only around 200 people or so.

# ¿ Jan 4, 2023 03:01

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Bel Shazar posted:

"Much like a Taliban, I also rape children."

calling them congressman-elect is funny because its technically true and guaranteed to drive every single one of the them batty.

# ¿ Jan 4, 2023 03:09

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Torrannor posted:

I'm not American and only just skimmed the part of the constitution dealing with the House, but it doesn't seem like the requirement to have a Speaker comes from the constitution. The requirement seems to be part of the House's own rules, which can be changed by the majority. Is that a correct reading?

Because if so, a majority then could indeed decide that they can hold a vote about the debt ceiling for example without having a Speaker.

That section is literally less than a single page you may want to actually read it

# ¿ Jan 4, 2023 10:33

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Hieronymous Alloy posted:

Everyone says a non-member as Speaker is technically possible, but has it ever happened?

edit: according to google it has never happened

The root issue is gonna be that the minute anybody is named as an alternative they'll get pilloried just for being an alternative. The chaos caucus wants to be in charge and they aren't going to accept any compromise that doesn't end with them being in charge, and nobody else wants to let them be in charge because they're all insane.

So the republicans can't solve this. So it ends when some of them decide to stop being Republicans and go caucus with the democrats, and not before.

It would be a constitutional question but the Supreme Court has historically shied away from telling the other two branches how to organize themselves since meddling would violate the separation of powers

But this court? Ehhhhhh,

# ¿ Jan 4, 2023 15:05

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Piell posted:

https://twitter.com/Olivia_Beavers/status/1610680088881762314 https://twitter.com/Olivia_Beavers/status/1610680608988037125

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# ¿ Jan 4, 2023 18:15

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I thought that Byron would be the least experienced speaker in US history if elected (he won't) but actually Henry Clay and William Pennington were both elected speaker as freshman.

# ¿ Jan 4, 2023 18:24

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StumblyWumbly posted:

How is this playing in the right wing media? Has Tucker said he loves the HFC and they're definitely going to get *mumblemumblemumble*, or are they just being silent while the republicans act like useless assholes?

Tucker has said that chaos is good actually and means we live in a democracy, implying the non-HFC people are authoritarian soviet fans, Ben Shapiro has said that it�s stupid since the only thing the house can really do without the senate or presidency is roadblock Biden which literally anyone can do, hannity has said it�s embarrassing and makes republicans look bad

# ¿ Jan 4, 2023 21:22

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Old Surly posted:

Hasn't the whole "fentanyl comes from BIDENS OPEN MEXICO BORDER" been partially debunked? Its mostly comes from the ports?

It depends on what you mean since port has two different meanings here. If you're talking land vs sea: the primary supplier for black market fentanyl is illicit Chinese factories which is usually smuggled out of china via India and into the US through either through the Mexican or Canadian land borders with the Sinaloa and Jalisco Cartel being the two major importers.

If you're referring to the idea of people just hauling fentanyl in across the open desert which would stop if they just built a wall vs going through an actual port of entry then yes because its usually hidden among legit cargo going through ports of entry with San Diego being the most popular as its the second busiest international border crossing in the world and there's simply too much traffic to do a thorough inspection of everything coming through. A guy going through the desert by his lonesome is easy to spot, a truck of candy that's one of 200,000 vehicles that needs to be inspected hides easily.

# ¿ Jan 4, 2023 21:53

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Cpt. Mahatma Gandhi posted:

lol all 3 votes today have been the exact same totals

better do it a couple more times just to be sure

# ¿ Jan 4, 2023 22:23

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Youremother posted:

Any democratic congressman reading this, and I know you are, PLEASE do not let them adjourn. Please squeeze every drop of blood and tears out of McCarthy you can. Please.

hey congressman, you don't have to vote for the guy you nominate right? nominate scalise.

# ¿ Jan 4, 2023 22:26

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https://twitter.com/alexanderbolton/status/1610712127685246990

i don't believe anyone's asked for him. He just saw the poo poo flying and flew on a redeye from michigan to cold call the speakership.

# ¿ Jan 4, 2023 22:35

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Youremother posted:

And we're adjourned. Thanks a lot Goon Congressman <>

the only one who could be a goon is Frost but that would entail someone from Gen Z on this website.

# ¿ Jan 4, 2023 22:37

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Charliegrs posted:

Between McCarthy, Scalise, Jordan, Biggs, and Donalds who would the house Dems "prefer"? I mean I know they are all terrible but the least terrible from the Dem perspective is probably McCarthy right?

From a cynical standpoint:
McCarthy is the one most likely to be dumb as poo poo and say crap that plays bad in the news while also not doing poo poo like blocking the debt ceiling so of those 5 yes. Biggs, Jordan and Donalds would probably piss off the dem base the most which is good for fundraising and turnout.

# ¿ Jan 5, 2023 03:08

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https://twitter.com/lruskin/status/1611089001049640960?s=46&t=tssO1AwKr8_ohGkTbkSbD

Compromise candidate beginning to be floated publicly by a completely unsurprising person

https://twitter.com/lruskin/status/1611089001049640960?s=46&t=tssO1AwKr8_ohGkTbkSbDg

# ¿ Jan 5, 2023 23:12

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McCarthy has no path to speaker and he will be the last person in Washington to realize this

# ¿ Jan 6, 2023 00:01

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-Blackadder- posted:

This is a miscalculation on her part.

I lived in Anchorage and R&D coalitions do work in Alaska, but it's because Alaska has its own identity separate from the lower 48, so national parties don't matter as much as someone's reputation.

That's not something you can just drop in and automatically make work in the U.S. Congress.

I�m sure it helps build her reputation back in Alaska though

# ¿ Jan 6, 2023 00:54

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delfin posted:

How pissed must Trump be that Good went off about "we need a BUSINESSMAN as Speaker of the House" and he didn't mean Trump

Is this in reference to Hern? Donald�s has private sector experience but as an employee from what I can find (McCarthy has never had a private sector job from what I can tell so it could still be Donald�s in contrast to that I guess)

# ¿ Jan 6, 2023 00:59

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Charlz Guybon posted:

Are we? Who is this mystery candidate?
https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1611168127106031619

Upton's turned it down while Amash is wandering around congress lobbying for it with nobody being interested. Not a lot of moderate Western Michigan republicans left unless we can figure out how to resurrect Ford.

# ¿ Jan 6, 2023 06:07

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coelomate posted:

Informed speculation:

https://twitter.com/MEPFuller/status/1611465200590266387

https://twitter.com/MEPFuller/status/1611466089405505536

Kevin will get to be called speaker and that�s what�s important

# ¿ Jan 6, 2023 23:06

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Charlz Guybon posted:

https://twitter.com/TonyGonzales4TX/status/1611524269602918400?t=guojAOdW9M_ssT5I0VDLzg&s=19

McCarthy loyalists don't want to reward the crazies. He might get 218 votes for speaker, but he's not going to be able to pass a rules package and without that there is no majority

McCarthy's shown loud and clear that in his congress being a team player is for suckers, and being an Obstructionist jackass who gums everything up means you get catered to. Why would you not obstruct? Even if you're okay with it he'll two-face himself into giving you a better one.

# ¿ Jan 7, 2023 03:06

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tanglewood1420 posted:

As a non-American, two year terms for the House always seemed completely nuts. It seems like House Reps spend half their time campaigning for re-election.

the theory behind its pretty simple:
the house is supposed to reflect the popular will of the people as quickly as possible because the elites will try to prevent changes for as long as possible because they benefit from the current system and there needs to be someone agitating for what the people care about.
the senate is supposed to reflect the long-term will of the establishment and institutions because the people are all a bunch of easily-distracted idiots and what the people care about is probably some frivolous nonsense they didn't think through and someone needs to keep the rabble in check.

the american system is based fundamentally around the idea that everyone is incompetent and corrupt and nobody can be trusted. Its failing now because it was too optimistic.

# ¿ Jan 7, 2023 03:13

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surf rock posted:

Isn't Matt Gaetz the guy involved in sex trafficking? how on earth is he the key vote

McCarthy's cowardice and open lust for getting a shiny office and title regardless of how much actual power is attached means being an rear end in a top hat's rewarded and Gaetz figured this out while other republicans didnt

# ¿ Jan 7, 2023 05:07

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One of the funniest parts about this is that Gaetz's seat is probably the safest republican seat in loving florida. If McCarthy had just punished and ejected him when the underage stuff broke he would have actually looked like he had a spine and be speaker now. His own belief in power over principles is why he's here.

# ¿ Jan 7, 2023 05:11

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Did the missing Mccarthy guy come back in time to vote? I assume so given all the fistfights and teeth-gnashing

# ¿ Jan 7, 2023 05:21

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Lol at the democrats voting as a bloc to stay past midnight just so kevin can get humiliated again.

# ¿ Jan 7, 2023 05:28

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Caros posted:

If only the democrats had picked up a few more seats.

Could you imagine if this hinged on gates and boebert?

if the dems had done any better boebert would have been the first to drop given how close her race was but after that it would have mainly been McCarthyites that would be getting taken away

# ¿ Jan 7, 2023 05:32

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Raenir Salazar posted:

THE NAYS HAVE IT!? WTF IS HAPPENING!?

Gaetz flipped since McCarthy switched it immediately after talking to Gaetz

# ¿ Jan 7, 2023 05:34

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Crazy that 100 years of legislative power getting centralized into leadership dashed in a week by one dude who wants a big desk.

# ¿ Jan 7, 2023 05:51

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It's very impressive that in a caucus with both the Squad, and Golden, Peltola, Cuellar; a leadership team that's completely new to leadership has managed to hold everyone together so firmly in votes and messaging with the only absence being a dude who needed surgery who still got back in time to vote. Incredible contrast to guys who've been here 2 decades and got humiliated 15 times by a gelled-up sex trafficker before surrendering completely.

# ¿ Jan 7, 2023 06:23

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I guess I'm showing my provincialism here but Jefferies is the first non-white guy from New York I've ever heard to talk in this cartoon 50s Brooklyn accent

# ¿ Jan 7, 2023 07:11

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Rigel posted:

OK drat it I love this. Jeffries is totally loving stabbing into the eye of McCarthy, "you might have the vote, but I am calling all single last bit of bullshit before I finally have to hand over power."

Jefferies better loving watch how he talks to the speaker if he doesn�t want Kevin to give him everything he wants

# ¿ Jan 7, 2023 07:16

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Archonex posted:

Have they even got these rules set in stone yet because lol at that going through in a party as power hungry as the Republicans.

The debt ceiling stuff is legit terrifying though given how crazy the Republicans are nowadays. We know what happens when a country defaults on it's debt due to historical examples and it's loving ugly. Like, depending on how bad things go it's "you're better off emigrating than waiting for the country and your life in it to recover" levels of ugly.

Just as a recent example that I can recall: Mexico did it and it put them into a massive slump that they're still feeling the effects of. For America to do that it'd be even worse. We're looking at the collapse of the global economy in the short term, the extremely likely possibility that the US dollar is no longer considered a primary standard of currency and trade (which means losing all the privileges that the US takes for granted that come with it), and generally just utter chaos and at the absolute worst possibly great depression levels of goods being unaffordable leading to potential starvation depending on how bad the whole situation is handled and what sort of rebound happens.

It'd be like Brexit but on steroids, only with all the stops that would keep the economy from going into the shitter on a historic level yanked out by financial interests fleeing overseas with their monetary assets.

Which means that feckless monsters like Gaetz are of course going to try and rip the country to shreds because of their insane and bigoted views.

I�m not worried. I do not have faith in republicans desire to do the right thing but I do have faith in their cowardice.

# ¿ Jan 7, 2023 21:17

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koolkal posted:

There is a close to 0% chance Santos gets removed.

He's going to be indicted and convicted by the republican long island DA investigating him, McCarthy will incompetently attempt to lean on him as a fellow republican that just makes everything worse,
he will still be in congress while in prison and when questioned on this by reporters McCarthy will promise to "talk to him"

# ¿ Jan 8, 2023 00:38

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OddObserver posted:

The extradition request from Brazil will be pretty awkward; I wish I understood the kinda-immunity stuff in the Constitution.

The immunity in question doesn't really exist for all practical purposes from what I understand. The rule is that Congressmen can't be arrested while congress is in session except for treason, felonies and breaches of the peace which has been interpreted as meaning basically any crime. Apparently it was common practice in the colonial era to arrest people when they got sued which doesn't really happen anymore.

# ¿ Jan 8, 2023 01:10

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Twincityhacker posted:

I don't know. I don't think anyone knows at this point.

Yeah, if the last week has taught us anything its that McCarthy, Scalise and McHenry are loving terrible at vote counting and whipping. Pelosi would dig up your favorite fourth grade teacher to tell you she was disappointed in you for not voting the right way, McCarthy just begs you on his hands and knees.

# ¿ Jan 8, 2023 03:08

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