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Old Surly posted:Does KMC even have the ability to broker a deal overnight? Does anyone really like him? His ability to broker a deal overnight was crippled more and more with each vote. If he'd called for adjournment after the first vote, I think there's a good chance he ended up Speaker anyway. A lot of the no vote was initially symbolic, and even those who were firm nos would have already gotten their theater before enduring a night of donors and party/ideology "luminaries" hounding them to relent. Instead he insisted on trying to winning via attrition by forcing continuous voting, which naturally led to him losing support as it became clearer that he wasn't going to get it with each vote. No, not even Kevin McCarthy's mom likes him. StumblyWumbly posted:Are there any moderate republicans left who could say "gently caress this absolute shitshow, its dumb and bad for the country" and try to get democrats + like 20 republicans? Say its an anti-Trump republican who promises to just exclude the hard right anti-Kevin folks. There are 0 Republicans who would cross over to vote for Jeffries or another Democrat as Speaker. There is the possibility that poo poo gets so bad after multiple votes that one of the Republicans who still remembers what it was like to be sane gets to be Speaker after giving Democrats some concessions of stuff like a Debt Ceiling increase. BigRed0427 posted:So what do the MAGA Republicans want out of Kevin and rhe rest of the GOP in order to vote for him as speaker? McCarthy? At this point they expect him to die. The rest of the GOP? 
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Anyway my prediction is this doesn't resolve any time soon. Everyone is saying that eventually there will be a compromise candidate but if that person existed they would be getting mentioned by name. There's no compromise candidate and the suicide caucus is going to drive the house off a cliff. We'll get a Republican who makes a deal with The/20 Democrats to overcome the suicide voter block way before people change parties or otherwise vote the Democrats into power.
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Seth Pecksniff posted:No one in the HFC is going to budge, and the "Nobody But Kevin" crowd isn't going to move. An unstoppable force meets an unmovable object in this scenario. The way I see it is this only ends with Kevin McCarthy seeing the writing on the wall and stepping aside for the good of the conference. The only actual member of the Nobody But Kevin crowd is Kevin McCarthy. Everyone else just finds him the most acceptable person who won't shoot them for making him/her Speaker. All the other people backing Kevin are either directly bribed by him or are down for just about anyone not part of the HFC.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Making such a deal is, effectively, the same thing as up and changing parties to (D). They'd get primaries at the next election for betraying the faith and letting the evil democrats take over. I'm not talking about caucusing with the Democrats, that would be the super unlikely step before Speaker Jeffries. I'm talking about a Republican Speaker with Republican control of the House, except they agree to not block specific bills like debt increases and budgets, perhaps a few constraints on the incoming Biden witch hunt, in exchange for the Democrats taking a long lunch next round of voting.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Right, but the suicide caucus -- and the median Trump supporter -- will view that as the same thing as switching parties. They'll definitely try, but it's not going to be any more effective than labeling the person a RINO. Assuming that the Democrats decide to not show up for the vote, thus lowering the threashold, instead of actually voting for the guy. Though even if they do get Democratic votes it's going to be hard to spin it in 2 years if the Republicans are running things. We are after all still talking about a scenario where 200+ Republicans still also vote for the new guy not named Kevin.
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Old Surly posted:Hasn't the whole "fentanyl comes from BIDENS OPEN MEXICO BORDER" been partially debunked? Its mostly comes from the ports? Open Mexican border Fent is stockpiled until Halloween. A "B" is then scratched on it before handing it out to children alongside stickers soaked in LSD.
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BDawg posted:I wouldn't be surprised if they couldn't have a State of the Union. The chamber is controlled by the Speaker and she has to invite the President for the SotU, IIRC. Biden and the Senate could just crash the House, and hold the SotU anyway. It might be distracting to hear the House Memebers-elect not voting in McCarthy 4 times during the speech though. Without a Speaker, and thus no rules, maybe Biden will have Major sit where the Speaker usually sits.
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It would be quite the service to the nation if McCarthy failing the 1000th vote for Speaker killed our dumbass addiction to live speech versions of the State of the Union.
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Relevant Tangent posted:It should be noted that the House Sgt. at Arms and their people aren't getting paid until this is settled. They're probably not going to be enthusiastic about breaking up fights. Time to hand out the canes.
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There's only one possible "compromise" candidate who can save the Republicans now.
It's time to bring home Boris Johnson.
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StumblyWumbly posted:Did they burn their boats because they're all in for Donalds? Or Jordan? They burned them just to watch them burn.
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These assholes are using our tactics against us. This can not stand.
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So which of the 20 is fat man, and which is little boy?
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coelomate posted:so is 8:00 gonna be funny or should I watch Netflix? The humiliation of Kevin McCarthy by the predator Matt Gaetz is always funny.
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rscott posted:https://twitter.com/costareports/status/1610805223706042369?t=6UvkdeYbNI9ZlsaXFag_-Q&s=19 The most hilarious thing about this is that about the only reason all of this is happening is that McCarthy is too loving stupid to not tell everyone that he'd do anything to be Speaker. With so many grifters and con men in the caucus there was no way he wasn't going to get fleeced once they smelt that beautiful easy mark scent. Which naturally led to an all out frenzy as more and more sharks smelled the blood in the water. If nobody wants the job, except one guy it's obvious to everyone that concessions can be gained. So the normal horse trading was already amplified. However, McCarthy then started caving to crazy demands. And once you start negotiating like an addict looking for a fix, you're going to lose everything. Right now we're down to about the title and the copper wiring in the office's walls left. Normal circumstances, he probably would be Speaker. But then his buddies started begging someone, anyone, to tell them what they had to give up so this could all be over. Now there is absolutely no incentive to back down. The insanity crew is getting all their concessions no matter who wins at this point. At the same time McCarthy is both too pathetic to follow, and his head is the last thing of value left to take from him. Maybe McCarthy's pals can scrounge up something to give to enough outside interests that enough of the "NO" votes are placated. However, it's looking more and more likely that the only way he becomes Speaker is to make a deal with Jeffries. It's unlikely, but about the only things he has left to give are things that no Republican wants but Democrats might. No matter what happens though, McCarthy is the most pathetic politician in the US now. Letting him drink himself into oblivion from his back bencher office might even be the kinder move than making him keep all his promises and become the least powerful and least respected Speaker in history. A Speaker that goes down in history for being so notably pathetic that theses in multiple fields are written about it.
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In MTG's defense, she was one of the first people to make a stupidass deal with McCarthy, so she had good reason to not expect him to be willing to sell his own kidney if it would make her happy. I just can't tell if she is just sticking to the deal because that's how she rolls or she's terrified that nobody else is dumb enough to give her what she already got so this motherfuck just has to win.
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So how many more rounds before he agrees to refer to every other Republican rep as only Master or Mistress?
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Getting McCarthy to commit to a vote on something that was already pre-struck down decades ago by the Supreme Court is a pretty novel demand. I can't imagine what the purpose of getting him to commit to pass a law that will never pass the Senate or be signed by the President, and if it did, would instantly become void other than just seeing what else he will agree to. Given who is asking for it, there's a very good chance they don't know or refuse to acknowledge that such a thing already happened. At best, it was all an activist move by the famously liberal Rehnquist Court.
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nelson posted:Hypothetically speaking, what kind of power would a minority party Speaker have? Speaker Jeffries would have nothing but debt ceilings and maybe budgets pass. However there would also be no investigations into Hunter Biden's laptop. So it would essentially be the best possible case given who got elected by our fellow idiot citizens.
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Piell posted:https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/1611125017533710339 The only way they actually get a deal in writing with the 5 core members of team insanity is if they've got 10 Republicans swearing to god that they'll fall on their swords, vote present, and let Jeffries be Speaker. And then Team Insanity will still vote no anyway, because nothing could be better for their batshit narrative than RINOs giving the House to the Democrats just to spite REAL MERICA.
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So the breaking news deal was an agreement to continue humiliatingly McCarthy? Truly the king of negotiators.
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-Blackadder- posted:This is a miscalculation on her part. She's signaling, almost certainly with leadership's agreement, that there are options other than McCarthy, Jeffries, or an unending hostage crisis instigated by the HFC.
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Ravenfood posted:Fox News' main headline in all this is "Dems keep handing votes to Jeffries who also has a history of denying elections". Am I right in assuming that the election or elections that he denied involved The Decider?
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I'm just glad they're kind enough to spread this out so it's only a few votes a day. I'm still workshopping how to turn the 20th loss into a killer Rings of Power joke.
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A shoot out in the House Chamber between members over rules fuckery would be the most American thing Congress has ever done. Edit: Almost any situation where we end up with Speaker Jeffries almost certainly involves enough time or votes to pass rules to prevent Republicans for calling for a new vote though.
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Charlz Guybon posted:Is #3 on this list actually an option? I thought it had to be a majority. A majority vote to change the method of voting is possible, and is how the longest contest for Speaker was resolved. If they wanted, the members-elect could vote to determine Speaker on basis of who could name all the State Capitals in alphabetical order the fastest.
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evilweasel posted:https://twitter.com/scottwongdc/status/1611162063837036544?s=46&t=ZVq0cfl_j7LYsMCstOzFgg I love both sides of the poo poo show negotiating with Democrats, but only to determine if the ratfucking pauses for the night or not.
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I'm surprised none of the Freshmen Democrats have tried approaching McCarthy to see if he'll think they're new Republicans and toss them some concessions while he's on his abject debasement kick.
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Shooting Blanks posted:I'm morbidly curious to know how Fox/OANN/Truth Social/etc. are somehow claiming this is the Democrats' fault. Not curious to go look, but still. Democrats continue handing votes to Jeffries, who has long history of denying elections
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Absurd Alhazred posted:If it actually mirrored this the President would appoint the government from members of the House (and the Senate), who would remain with their parliamentary duties, and the President would also be able to disband Parliament and call for an election. It's important to remember that when our deified idiots wrote our constitution, we were less a united country and more a union of individual countries. Founding USA was more like the EU than any actual single country, which was best seen in our first disastrous attempt at forming a Confederacy instead of a Republic. As a result all of our tweeks to existing democratic forms, and the underlying assumptions we built this shitshow on, are predicated on power and alliances leaning towards local rather than national forces. As a result we were terrified that some loving Virginian President would gently caress over the New England led House. Or perhaps the loving New Englanders would use their Congressional powers to destroy the interests of the good Carolina. So nobody is able to do anything on their own, lest THEY gently caress with US. Absurd Alhazred posted:Could you tl;dr that? I'm not giving them clicks. Basically, just a retelling of how McCarthy isn't winning. However what we should really be focusing on is that Jeffries is an election denier, and the Democrats say they don't like that. What despicable hypo...Hey, stop looking at the Republican shitshow going on right now...Democrats are hypocrites and Jeffries hates 'Merica.
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Charlz Guybon posted:Are we? Who is this mystery candidate? Depends on how you want to define plotting. The Democrats are open to some sort of deal, but their concessions are draconian nonsense like promise to not run things like a 5 year old with poo poo covered hands.
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PC LOAD LETTER posted:I'm not a McCarthy expert here but others have said that no one trusts him to actually hold up to any of his promises and any means to punish him for breaking those promises are limited at best since D's are a minority in the HoR. R's would happily sit back and watch the D's get hosed no matter what on broken promises and not call McCarthy out or help to vote to punish him in some fashion. Dude's promised so many things to do many people, if you can get one there's a good chance he can't even remember who he owes it to. So as long as you aren't asking him Insanity Caucus exclusive items, you just might get a Congressional trip to study Hawaiian beaches thrown on the docket.
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nine-gear crow posted:The complete absence of Steve Scalise in all this has been an enduring mystery to me since this started. The fact that he has not emerged by now as the heir apparent to get McCarthy to sit down means that he probably doesn't want to be Speaker under any circumstances, so that's why the rest of the caucus is flailing about nominating clown show candidates because no one actually seriously wants the gig besides McCarthy. The #2 option for them at this point besides McCarthy is literally nobody. Because if it was Scalise, we'd know by now because Steve Scalise, the physically dickless wonder that he is, is more than ready, willing, and able to just walk in and poo poo down McCarthy's neck like a honking giga chad if he wants something, and he hasn't which means he doesn't. Any non-Kevin has no incentive to try and save the day. Until McCarthy pulls his name or gets through they're better of just voting for him 2-4 times a day. The longer this goes on the more pressure there will be for the next guy to just be voted in. Especially since none of them actually want the job. Let the pain pig publicly immolate himself for days or weeks, it doesn't really hurt other potential nominees, and the more pathetic McCarthy looks the easier it is for you to throw out all his pathetic bribes and promises without actual repercussions. Edit: Also there's the issue of nobody apparently liking Kevin or backing his bid with all their being. Nobody feels bad letting a schmuck destroy himself. Gyges fucked around with this message at 07:06 on Jan 6, 2023 |
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Jaxyon posted:Yeah we can not stress enough how much absolute nothing they plan on doing for the next 2 years. Not true at all. They plan on investigating so very many nefarious doings and things while the Q version of a "I WANT TO BELIEVE" poster hangs behind them.. Plus they've gotta impeach Biden at least once.
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-Blackadder- posted:https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1610826413082554370 It's never not funny when a leading charlatan interacts with a leading believer, and neither side can believe the other just doesn't get it. Always fun to see someone trying to explain it was all a bit to get extra land and wealth, witches aren't actually real, to the torch bearing psycho about to burn the first person's grandma.
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Comstar posted:So? Kick them out of the party. Can't they remove the (R) next to their names? Yeah, parties have absolutely no control over who is part of them. David Duke has famously caused migraines for both parties by running for office under their banner. The only power that the party has over it's members and aligned politicians is by spending money to either help or hurt someone running for office. Something that is now being offered up to be taken behind the barn and shot, if certain people will just vote for Kevin. Please. He'll do literally anything if you'll just vote for him.
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Randalor posted:So does this end the Democrat's plurality win, or are they still winning in every sense of the word? Unless the Republicans can bribe or successfully hold the phylacteries of all but 9(?) holdouts, Jeffries will always have the most votes while nobody wins.
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Basically what we're going to see today, and maybe the next time the gavel in, is who can be personally bought out of their opposition and who is here to sacrifice McCarthy to Moloch. We're almost certain that there are between 5 and 8 hardliners who will only relent when Keven McCarthy's head is mounted above the doors to the Chamber. So as we settle in for the unending merriment of McCarthy's public humiliation, what do you think are the baseline things that the Democrats will hold out for in a hypothetical agreement to get someone into the chair? My guess is that the only absolute must for them is a guarantee that the debt ceiling raise gets brought to the floor. Everything else is negotiable. After that I'd guess that the order of asks by them in decreeing likelihood to be accepted by the mythic non-Kevin are
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Youth Decay posted:https://twitter.com/BrianKarem/status/1611440989582856203 20 votes to get a Speaker 20 votes to get rules 1 vote to get a new Speaker
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