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Proud Christian Mom posted:the polls guys, the polls. While I agree the party leadership isn't on the same page as the younger population overall, can we please not do this?
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maffew buildings posted:I don't think I'm on the same timeline as you if that's a thing you are seeing https://news.gallup.com/poll/390737/americans-pro-israel-though-palestinians-gain-support.aspx
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Cugel the Clever posted:A pogrom swept through a number of Palestinian towns yesterday, killing at least one, wounding hundreds, and torching the homes and vehicles of many. Came amidst a deconfliction agreement between the Netanyahu government and the PA, with hundreds of settlers scouring the Palestinian villages in a wave of retributive violence following the killings of two occupiers (itself quite likely retributive for recent Israeli raids that resulted in the deaths of children). In the words of one attacker, standing in the midst of burned-out wreckage: "A real war started here. I don't see any Arabs going out to throw stones or do anything else. Everything died here and I see that we've found a solution for terrorism." The Israeli right wing coalition government is also pushing through a huge set of "judicial reforms" that primarily replace professional selection with political appointment in the judiciary and rolls back a lot of the Israeli supreme court's power to conduct judicial review and invalidate laws passed by the parliament. The Israeli right has been frustrated by what they see as judicial activism when it comes to the court upholding Israeli human rights laws when it comes to Palestinians and non-orthodox Jews. I've never met an Israeli who believes you can write a constitution that will protect Israel's Jewish minority from a Palestinian majority if any attempt at a unified state is created. A lot of Israelis genuinely believe that the moment the Palestinians feel capable of doing so they will genocide the Jewish population. A lot of Jews in general also see it as nonnegotiable that there should be a sovereign Jewish state in Jewish indigenous lands and believe there is no way to constitutionally protect that against a non Jewish majority. In theory that should mean a two state solution is viable with appropriate international security guarantees. But in practice a good chunk of the Israeli right is incredibly white supremacist to the point of being super racist against non Ashkenazi Jews, especially African Jews. Then the religious Zionists firmly believe that biblical Israel is the Jewish people's god given indigenous lands and that Palestinian settlement and occupation is inherently illegitimate and unrecognizable. These groups in particular have plenty of support from far right christian organizations around the world itching to get the rapture started. I had hope when Bibi was facing corruption charges that the Israeli left and liberals might actually regain power and we could end up back in the path of a two state solution. Instead we ended up with a coalition of far right parties that hate each other but hate the left and Palestinians more. At this point I see what is left of Israeli democratic institutions continuing to crumble under the sustained assault of right wing authoritarians and fundamentalists, and the Israeli government stopping their prior efforts of reigning in the settlers. I feel like the third option is increasingly the most likely and I really wish there was an offramp we could find. Soylent Pudding fucked around with this message at 18:02 on Feb 27, 2023 |
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Feb 27, 2023 17:59
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Proud Christian Mom posted:the polls guys, the polls. I don't have enough energy to deliver a lecture on problematic language and why I don't want it in GIP so just consider this a sternly worded "don't."
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Feb 27, 2023 18:01
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I vaguely remember Scott Adams in 2016 marrying a 19 year old . Was this a fever dream? He will be a guest host on Fox talking about how he was cancelled in like 5 days.
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Feb 27, 2023 18:05
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They'll probably give him his own show
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Feb 27, 2023 18:11
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Scott Adams is a better fit for a Fox News talking head position than most of the people I see getting nominated for it (like Rittenhouse). He will not shut the gently caress up, is constantly aggrieved despite being fabulously wealthy, and boomers have full and complete trust in his takes on issues because he is the Dilbert guy.
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Sacrist65 posted:I vaguely remember Scott Adams in 2016 marrying a 19 year old . Was this a fever dream? If I remember correctly she had his kid and then ended up divorcing him.
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Soylent Pudding posted:The Israeli right wing coalition government is also pushing through a huge set of "judicial reforms" that primarily replace professional selection with political appointment in the judiciary and rolls back a lot of the Israeli supreme court's power to conduct judicial review and invalidate laws passed by the parliament. The Israeli right has been frustrated by what they see as judicial activism when it comes to the court upholding Israeli human rights laws when it comes to Palestinians and non-orthodox Jews. On its current trajectory, Israel can either be a democracy or a Jewish majority state, but not both. Israel is already an apartheid state and will be destined to remain that way if it fails to reign in the settlers, and considering how Bibi's strategy for continually slithering back into power has been to build coalitions with the hard right settler's bloc, this isn't going to happen. The settlers are creating "facts on the ground" by continuing to subsume Palestinian land and basically whittling down any territory for a future Palestinian state to a series of patchwork territories that are barely connected to each other, if at all. Even if a dovish PM took power from Bibi, it would be extremely difficult to negotiate an equitable two-state solution because they would likely have to first win a civil war in Israel over settlement evictions. There is no international pressure that will fix this. Even if the US told Israel to go gently caress itself, they've already established themselves as the dominant regional power that will never fight a conventional war with its neighbors ever again. With the exception of Hezbollah in Lebanon, there aren't any real groups that can pose a major threat to Israel. No one is going to war with Israel over the plight of the Palestinians- any pro-Palestinian rhetoric espoused by the other Arab states is basically propaganda as their governments basically see Israel as a counterweight to Iran. It's all hopelessly hosed up.
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pantslesswithwolves posted:It's all hopelessly hosed up.
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Cugel the Clever posted:That's the danger of going off vibes. Polls show a marked shift in attitudes that, while they certainly don't reflect a staunchly pro-Palestinian mindset, would suggest the traditional blinders are lifting. Particularly were the current Israeli government to more overtly drop its mask, the prevailing narrative wouldn't hold up outside of the GOP. Hence Bibi's likely preference to keep the pot on low simmer instead of drawing attention as it boils over. drat how could I be so silly as to go off vibes, like the vibe where the US just gives Israel billions and doesn't care how they are conducting pogroms. drat if only I embraced the power of polling If you see things different, great, your reality sounds nicer, but I disagree
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The US isn't exactly doing great in its fight against rising right-wing authoritarianism. "Not getting as much power as expected in one election" isn't exactly a crushing, movement-ending rebuke. That fight is still ongoing and the future is not super bright. Seizing power no matter what, even violently if required, and warping the system so that only they can maintain it is the entire playbook.
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bird food bathtub posted:The US isn't exactly doing great in its fight against rising right-wing authoritarianism. "Not getting as much power as expected in one election" isn't exactly a crushing, movement-ending rebuke. That fight is still ongoing and the future is not super bright. Seizing power no matter what, even violently if required, and warping the system so that only they can maintain it is the entire playbook. As ashamed as I feel to admit it, there have been a couple times when American right wing violent rhetoric, like how my friend in Nashville just had his neighborhood covered in flyers saying "Jews are funding pro-childhood gender reassignment surgery propaganda to sterilize the white race", makes a part of me feel "well at least this time when they come for us we have a nuclear capable state to flee to."
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Why couldn’t the Jews pull a Book of Mormon and find a newer homeland on I dunno Cyprus or such. Surely the God of Peace would less strife in the world. lol
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Crab Dad posted:Why couldn’t the Jews pull a Book of Mormon and find a newer homeland on I dunno Cyprus or such. Surely the God of Peace would less strife in the world. Ah yes, Israeli Utah.
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Crab Dad posted:Why couldn’t the Jews pull a Book of Mormon and find a newer homeland on I dunno Cyprus or such. Surely the God of Peace would less strife in the world. They actually considered it in the early days of Zionism. It was the Orthodox communities embracing Zionism that lead to the specific focus on reclaiming Israel. Some of the initial secular socialist Zionists just wanted to move somewhere they could have an agrarian commune and not get pogromed every few decades. CommieGIR posted:Ah yes, Israeli Utah. Back in high school my grandma gave me some alt history book where after the Holocaust the western powers refused to allow Jewish resettlement to British Palestine and as a compromise the US basically gave the European Jewish refugees a reservation in Alaska. I never read more than a few chapters and it was weird.
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Or Israeli Hamburg like one of the other post war ideas suggested
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Milo and POTUS posted:They'll probably give him his own show I'm willing to accept this if it means any of the cretins on The Five or Ingraham/Tucker/Hannity lose their shows which lol will never happen so why did I bother typing this? (Because Greg Gutfeld can suck my gently caress.)
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CommieGIR posted:Ah yes, Israeli Utah. A Jewish buddy had a chuckle when he learned Mormons include Jews in their category of gentiles. Soylent Pudding posted:Back in high school my grandma gave me some alt history book where after the Holocaust the western powers refused to allow Jewish resettlement to British Palestine and as a compromise the US basically gave the European Jewish refugees a reservation in Alaska. I never read more than a few chapters and it was weird. The Yiddish Policemen's Union, I thought it was an interesting alternate history story.
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Hyrax Attack! posted:The Yiddish Policemen's Union, I thought it was an interesting alternate history story.
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Hyrax Attack! posted:A Jewish buddy had a chuckle when he learned Mormons include Jews in their category of gentiles. That was it! I may have to give it another try.
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https://twitter.com/AP/status/1630247111546552323?t=hUIgsmkPIpQl-z0t2ewH8Q&s=19 "Major" doing a lot of work in that sentence
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Soylent Pudding posted:They actually considered it in the early days of Zionism. It was the Orthodox communities embracing Zionism that lead to the specific focus on reclaiming Israel. Some of the initial secular socialist Zionists just wanted to move somewhere they could have an agrarian commune and not get pogromed every few decades. Didn’t most of these alternate plans involve genociding a bunch of people in Madagascar or wherever?
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Yeah that’s the issues, most places you’d want to live in already have people living there.
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Nick Soapdish posted:https://twitter.com/AP/status/1630247111546552323?t=hUIgsmkPIpQl-z0t2ewH8Q&s=19 Did she make it to the debates last time? The name is familiar, but in a "I kinda remember a joke vaguely and her name was the punchline" familiar.
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ASAPI posted:Did she make it to the debates last time? The name is familiar, but in a "I kinda remember a joke vaguely and her name was the punchline" familiar. She was the one going all in with Bernie on socials during last dem primaries, doing orb/jo crystal power memes.
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US Berder Patrol posted:actually Marianne Williamson is cool, way cooler than 90% of the ghouls and creeps we see in any given primary season Wasn't she anti-vax?
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US Berder Patrol posted:actually Marianne Williamson is cool, way cooler than 90% of the ghouls and creeps we see in any given primary season This un ironically is exactly how we got Trump. It was chuds saying the exact same thing about Trump. Just saying, as a matter of course, it’s best to strangle some babies in the cradle before they get the SIOP Biscuit.
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Oh man, double poo poo post, my b.
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Accidentally triple poo poo posted. Sorry
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Soylent Pudding posted:Wasn't she anti-vax? Hell, probably, she's pretty woo woo. Not to defend an antivax position at all, but you had to see the anti-vax backlash coming no matter what the pols were saying, MW or President Trump himself included. This wave of anti-vax sentiment had been cooking for years before corona hit the streets. If a nominally progressive Oprahverse character like MW was spouting that nonsense, that just goes to show how far out of the niches of right or left wing extremes antivax narratives had gotten by that point. All that is a digression, though. My point is I'll take a woo woo Bernie Lite over whatever jerk the dem establishment will push forward next.
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double shitposting in solidarityLtCol J. Krusinski posted:This un ironically is exactly how we got Trump. It was chuds saying the exact same thing about Trump. Yeh, but President Trump was always fashy and shouting hateful, spiteful things. MW was stumping with messages about a United States Department of Peace and governing by love lol If the presidential primary and then election season goes completely out of round and we end up handing the football to orb mommy, I think that's a drat sight better than giving it back to Trombone lol I do not consider her likely to win, for the record.
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I think the main difference is that Trump is a ego-driven sociopath who was ruthless/dumb enough to mock the GOP establishment and that endeared him to a already formed CHUD base. Marianne "Dept of Peace" Williamson does not have the single-minded ruthlessness to take on the Dem establishment.
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BadOptics posted:I think the main difference is that Trump is a ego-driven sociopath who was ruthless/dumb enough to mock the GOP establishment and that endeared him to a already formed CHUD base. Marianne "Dept of Peace" Williamson does not have the single-minded ruthlessness to take on the Dem establishment. She's also a ditz that I don't want anywhere near the levers of power. She can preach about peace and crystal powers and the evils of mRNA all she wants. It's the "running for President" part that I oppose.
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US Berder Patrol posted:Hell, probably, she's pretty woo woo. Not to defend an antivax position at all, but you had to see the anti-vax backlash coming no matter what the pols were saying, MW or President Trump himself included. This wave of anti-vax sentiment had been cooking for years before corona hit the streets. If a nominally progressive Oprahverse character like MW was spouting that nonsense, that just goes to show how far out of the niches of right or left wing extremes antivax narratives had gotten by that point. All that is a digression, though. My point is I'll take a woo woo Bernie Lite over whatever jerk the dem establishment will push forward next. More or less agree with all of this except one point: Antivaxx sentiments were highest with upper-middle / upper class white college non-science educated families pre-2016. Basically richer white folks that could afford to send their kid to private schools and these strongly trended democratic voting. All the early measles outbreaks and the 1st whooping cough outbreaks were starting around shitlib strongholds outside of LA and in Austin and all of that timed up pretty well with Wakefield losing his medical license and moving to Austin in the early 2000's while getting early "influencers" on board like Jenny McCarthy etc. lovely rich non-scientist people who were uselessly famous and at the time democrats included Trump who was vocally an antivaxxer since at least 2010. Once elected he did little initially to move the needle but as the cult of personality around him developed and the whole "deep state" narrative extended to any government agency the groundwork was set to heavily politicize antivaxx trends in a way they had not been before. After 2019 antivaxx beliefs were decidedly partisan right leaning and trended far more into lower education status than had been seen before. I don't know how much people appreciate the entire disintegration of public health in the USA and how swiftly it's been happening. I am quite confident that the next time a 2016 type result happens with full R control across the branches we'll see the dismantling of the CDC and NIH etc completely. Just look to Florida for a peek into the future in that regard. source - I teach a college class on a lot of this stuff, can provide deets if needed.
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shot https://twitter.com/JuddLegum/status/1630333878605889542?s=20 chaser https://twitter.com/halomancer1/status/1630269070233976834?s=20 Kesper North fucked around with this message at 23:37 on Feb 27, 2023 |
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Lmao, its too much to expect justice but its gonna be hilarious watching Dominion wring Murdoch and Kushner for cash after all the attack ads they pulled on them. Also deeply ironic the party that pushed 'CyberNinjas' over the voting machine fraud myths is getting out cybered by said voting machine company.
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LtCol J. Krusinski posted:Can sincerely say I’ve never read 4chan, so I’m not trying to be disingenuous when I say I’ve never heard of this. I’m terminally online but i actively avoid the nazi part of the internet. It’s hard, but not impossible to do. Only seeing tweets on SA really lowers the number of ardent national socialists types randomly dropping hot new slurs in my lap. You've never heard of it because you don't watch anime. It's a term 4channers (and related folk) came up for anime girls that are actually anime boys dressed as girls and if you search ADTRW (don't) a few years back you'd probably run into it too. It's so old the general response to a post of one of those characters is an Admiral Ackbar image macro. That it went from extremely online anime fetish to possible slur is kind of weird. Like if "dickgirl" became a slur somehow.
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