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"If you ain't cheating, you ain't trying". As long as games with rules have existed, cheating has existed alongside it. We simply love cheating, bending the rules, finding an unfair advantage, etc. in the name of winning. I cheated in a third grade kickball game by running out of the basepath in order to avoid someone trying to peg me with the ball to get me out, and ended up scoring the winning run. It's just human nature. As such, professional sports are no stranger to cheating. Every major or minor sports league has had tons of cheating scandals. Whether it be a Moroccan tennis player in the low levels of professional doubles getting a lifetime ban for fixing 135 matches or even in the most sacred American sport of baseball during the Golden Era when everyone looked up to baseball players as some kind of saints, chances are that someone out there is cheating. Heck, the rules of professional racing are made and re-made every year to trim competitive advantages from tinkering engineers looking to get 1% more power out of an engine due to some oversight by the rules committee. In short, I think a thread where we can discuss some of the biggest past cheating scandals in professional sports as well as current, interesting ones that spill over into public consciousness for some reason or another. My hope is that, when something like Deflategate or Lance Armstrong doping or the recent Astros Sign Stealing Scandal comes to light, that this thread can be used as a place for people to learn about the scandal, the fallout of the scandal, and whether the scandal was really that big a deal or not. After all, every team cheats.
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That Astros cheated in 2017, not sure if anyone's heard about that yet.
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Feb 12, 2023 06:20
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baseball teams definitely not cheating - oakland athletics and pittsburg pirates
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The Alpha and Omega of team-wide cheatingquote:The 2000 Summer Paralympics in Sydney, which had already seen controversy with numerous positive drug tests, would be the venue for one of the most scandalous events in the sport's history. Spain was stripped of their intellectual disability basketball gold medals shortly after the Games closed[17] after Carlos Ribagorda, a member of the victorious team and an undercover journalist, revealed to the Spanish business magazine Capital that most of his colleagues had not undergone medical tests to ensure that they had a disability. The IPC investigated the claims and found that the required mental tests, which should show that the competitors have an IQ of no more than 75,[18][19] were not conducted by the Spanish Paralympic Committee (CPE). Ribagorda alleged that some Spanish participants in the table tennis, track and field, and swimming events were also not disabled, meaning that five medals had been won fraudulently.[19][20]
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Hoping we don't get a baseball version of this https://yourteamcheats.com/ from any Astros posters or maybe we should because this site is absolutely hilarious For context, some Patriots fan created this after Deflategate Intruder fucked around with this message at 09:49 on Feb 12, 2023 |
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maffew buildings posted:baseball teams definitely not cheating - oakland athletics and pittsburg pirates It could be argued they're the biggest cheaters in baseball, knowing that winning rings and spending money isn't important to the true game of Capitalism, and that as long as they stay put as a non-relegated team in a major sports league, ownership valuation will skyrocket as more and more teams around them are sold When Bob Nutting bought the Pirates in 1996 he paid $92mil; almost a calendar year ago they were valued at $1.32bil, and next month it'll likely be even higher than that when the new calculations come in. Despite only having 4 winning records/seasons in that time and only one playoff series win to show for it (and that was a full decade ago at this point!)! Reaping the same financial rewards of all the other rich owners around them, and they don't even need to worry about on-field quality to pull it off. If that's not cheating the system, what is 
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There’s a million other examples in racing but Toyota’s European rally team cheat in 95 being so good that it flat out impressed the FIA president is forever my favorite. Car and Throttle posted:
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I don't care for motorsports but I love the NASCAR story about early cheating where you had a restriction on the size of your gas tank so they took it out of the one guy's car for inspection and I guess he didn't know so he got in his car and drove it away because it had a hidden tank for extra fuel Shocking that you'd have cheating in a sport that originated in bootlegging
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It could turn out to be a super interesting thread if the fans of teams discussed stay civil (which some couldn't in the baseball thread which is why we have this one). Here is a cool video about baseball because baseball is the world's most cheated at sport. https://youtu.be/8NZoGGryKQo
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cycling cheating was metal as gently caress. in his book "the secret race" tyler hamilton tells a story from the 2004(?) Tour de france in which the motorcycle driver transporting his rest day blood bag had to dump the bag to avoid being searched, and had to go back and get it later. Of course, a bag of blood sitting out in the summer heat is Not Good but Hamilton was apparently not told that this happened. So on rest day, Hamilton loads up on the bad blood and spends the rest of the day vomiting and feeling like he is dying. Still clipped in the next day for the stage.
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This one is always going to baffle me. I just don't understand the motivation behind it. The cash prize for winning a Paralympic Game tournament can't be that much, and the gold medals probably have little more value. Did they do it just for fun?
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Chris James 2 posted:It could be argued they're the biggest cheaters in baseball, knowing that winning rings and spending money isn't important to the true game of Capitalism, and that as long as they stay put as a non-relegated team in a major sports league, ownership valuation will skyrocket as more and more teams around them are sold close thread now
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As a fan of the Saint Louis Cardinals of Saint Louis Missouri baseball team, I would like to call attention to 2014, when Chris Correa of the Cardinals' front office hacked into an Astros scouting database. Correa pled guilty and was sentenced to about 4 years, while the Cards were penalized about $2m and gave up two 2017 draft picks to the Astros, who used them for Corbin Martin and J.J. Matijevic. SI has a surprisingly long article on the crime and Correa's time in prison.
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How you gonna tell that story and leave out the Eckstein123 part
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Intruder posted:How you gonna tell that story and leave out the Eckstein123 part I'm not familiar with this part. What is this "Eckstein123" part you are referring to?
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Pungry posted:I'm not familiar with this part. What is this "Eckstein123" part you are referring to? Jeff Luhnow came from the Cardinals organization. Correa worked for him, and he "hacked" the Astros by guessing the password to their scouting database was Eckstein123 Or so the story goes anyway, I'm not sure it was ever confirmed e: from the story https://www.sportingnews.com/us/mlb/news/cardinals-hack-astros-password-eckstein123/1shab3b697j2r1wli1fju6n99q quote:According to court transcripts from the Jan. 8 hearing that were obtained by the Houston Chronicle on Friday, the password of a high-ranking Astros executive, that Correa and his team used to access Astros’ systems, was based on the name of a player “who was scrawny and who would not have been thought of to succeed in the major leagues, but through effort and determination he succeeded anyway." Intruder fucked around with this message at 21:08 on Feb 12, 2023 |
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DJExile posted:There’s a million other examples in racing but Toyota’s European rally team cheat in 95 being so good that it flat out impressed the FIA president is forever my favorite. This is the GOAT motorsport cheat for me. Better than (technically legal) fan car, better than (technically legal) basketball in the gas tank, better than (technically legal) extra long fuel hose.
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clean ayers act posted:cycling cheating was metal as gently caress. in his book "the secret race" tyler hamilton tells a story from the 2004(?) Tour de france in which the motorcycle driver transporting his rest day blood bag had to dump the bag to avoid being searched, and had to go back and get it later. Of course, a bag of blood sitting out in the summer heat is Not Good but Hamilton was apparently not told that this happened. some lady in a cyclocross U-23 world championship race got caught with a hidden motor in her bike which is hilarious, and led to years of allegations from fans of pros using motors in bikes
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ilmucche posted:This is the GOAT motorsport cheat for me. Better than (technically legal) fan car, better than (technically legal) basketball in the gas tank, better than (technically legal) extra long fuel hose. The Ferrari pulsed fuel injection timed to bypass the fuel sensor is a very nice cheat. I like the turbocharged one better just because it's such a mechanically ingenious solution.
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Feels Villeneuve posted:some lady in a cyclocross U-23 world championship race got caught with a hidden motor in her bike which is hilarious, and led to years of allegations from fans of pros using motors in bikes lol yeah that was wild. also coined the hilarious phrase "mechanical doping" E: also, im assuming most have seen it, but if not go and watch the netflix documentary "icarus" immediately. the premise is an amateur cyclist trying to see if he can dope during a stage rage and avoid popping positive. but it turns into a wild unveiling of the russian state's doping program in the sochi olympics, which was truly like something out of a KGB spy thriller clean ayers act fucked around with this message at 23:34 on Feb 12, 2023 |
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The only thing the Astros are guilty of is being very aware of what day trash day is and I demand apologies from everyone who wrongly accuse them of cheating frauds. We could all aspire to be so responsbile as Altuve or Correa. Kirios fucked around with this message at 03:27 on Feb 13, 2023 |
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They cheated this year too.
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The Kansas City Chiefs cheated in Super Bowl 57.
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I am intrigued. What sort of cheats did they do? Did they read the signals the Eagles were putting up?
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In high school baseball we used to figure out a few team's pitch signs each season if the coaches were signaling them in from the dugout, it was like a game within a game for the rest of us between innings if we weren't hitting or on deck. Looking back it's pretty lovely but I just assume(d) everyone does it too that's why we all use signals and go through the whole process of trying to obfuscate our future intentions. I think if you cheat you have to just include the guys/girls actually playing the game. Calling out a batter's last name while hes hitting because the backup infielder figured out the pitcher is going to throw a curveball every time the coach touches his hat after his nose is fine but doing the same via camera from center field from a field manager at a table around the corner is like next levels of lovely. I don't know why it breaks down like this, maybe CTE but there's a distinct line of who's putting in the effort and how. Also its lovely for a runner to try and relay signs from second base he picks up from the catcher, but I feel like this one is becoming more acceptable amongst the bat flipping generation. clean ayers act posted:E: also, im assuming most have seen it, but if not go and watch the netflix documentary "icarus" immediately. the premise is an amateur cyclist trying to see if he can dope during a stage rage and avoid popping positive. but it turns into a wild unveiling of the russian state's doping program in the sochi olympics, which was truly like something out of a KGB spy thriller Couldn't think of the name when I posted but yes this should be required viewing it's really good. maniacripper fucked around with this message at 05:07 on Feb 13, 2023 |
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Pungry posted:I am intrigued. What sort of cheats did they do? Did they read the signals the Eagles were putting up? They paid the refs off an obscene amount to call a holding call during a critical moment of the Super Bowl. This was a holding call that was, at best, subjective, and something you could call on every defensive play in football. Honestly, the Astros wish they could cheat to such an extreme. But alas, baseball does not have the deep coffers that football does.
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The defender literally said after the game "I held and hoped they wouldn't call me for it".
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Kirios posted:They paid the refs off an obscene amount to call a holding call during a critical moment of the Super Bowl. This was a holding call that was, at best, subjective, and something you could call on every defensive play in football. going to need to see some proof to back that one up
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The eagles d cheated themselves out of stopping a one legged qb
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ilmucche posted:going to need to see some proof to back that one up He's loving with you
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Kirios posted:They paid the refs off an obscene amount to call a holding call during a critical moment of the Super Bowl. This was a holding call that was, at best, subjective, and something you could call on every defensive play in football. just part of the script, that's all
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SamuraiFoochs posted:The defender literally said after the game "I held and hoped they wouldn't call me for it". Right, so like he said, it's every defensive play in football
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it was cheating when the Chiefs used a receiver in motion in the red zone who doubled back his direction before the snap and confused the Eagles DB and it was double cheating when they did it a second time on the other side of the field. it is cheating because I am personally biased against the Chiefs.
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Don't think this thread has gone enough into high school cheating, because you can find some real doozies there. I'll be damned if I can find a link about it, but when I was a teenager there was semi-national news made by a varsity football parent who sharpened the screws on the front bumper/nameplate of his son's football helmet, and he then taught said son how to hit opponents in the head/neck area screws-first so they'd be knocked out of the game.
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ilmucche posted:This is the GOAT motorsport cheat for me. Better than (technically legal) fan car, better than (technically legal) basketball in the gas tank, better than (technically legal) extra long fuel hose. the Toyota Celica WRC one is so good because it is clear that they aimed some serious R&D budget at it, absolutely unreal. also, which fan car  there's too many from motorsports to count, could almost do a thread on them alone, but another that was both very smart and promptly banned was McLaren's 'extra' brake pedal in 1997-1998. It was found because a photographer thought it was weird that the rear brake was glowing during cornering.
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Nobody does cheating like motorsports does cheating: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfq7-1ePW-M MustardFacial fucked around with this message at 18:12 on Feb 14, 2023 |
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One of my favorite articles was one ranking cycling cheaters by how likely fans were to forgive them and its cool how much of that doesn't really have much to do with how blatant the cheating was
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motorsports cheating is beautiful in that when one team starts mollywoppin' others in certain areas everyone just assumes 'ok, they found a new way to cheat' and that's usually correct
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maffew buildings posted:motorsports cheating is beautiful in that when one team starts mollywoppin' others in certain areas everyone just assumes 'ok, they found a new way to cheat' and that's usually correct Mercedes never cheated and Lewis is a god OP.
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