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Sab0921 posted:Mercedes never cheated and Lewis is a god OP. FRIC and DAS are both cheating. [edit] Oil burning is cheating. MustardFacial fucked around with this message at 21:55 on Feb 14, 2023 |
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During the Lance Armstrong era, and after, it seems like every other week a new cyclist would be banned for doping, and once it came out that Lance cheated, general fan interest in the sport fell off a cliff and I don't hear much about it anymore. Was that perception wrong at the time, and if not, what's the state of play as regards doping in cycling today? I live in Austin and this city was Lance loving crazy during his run, and as soon as the doping stuff came out, it vanished as if it never existed. Just mobs of cyclists in full USPS kit riding down my semi-residential street, gone like a puff of wind. zoux fucked around with this message at 22:00 on Feb 14, 2023 |
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Feb 14, 2023 21:55
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Armstrong wasn't just cheating, he was effectively using the enormous political power he held in the sport to ruin careers. People basically got blackballed from the sport for speaking out, and Greg Lemond, one of the most beloved cyclists in history, became an object of derision in the American media. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filippo_Simeoni You still hear allegations, though they're in the unconfirmed-rumor category, that he was able to basically order positive tests on guys like Iban Mayo for pissing him off. Feels Villeneuve fucked around with this message at 22:20 on Feb 14, 2023 |
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Feb 14, 2023 22:17
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ANyway the state of cheating is that there's always a lot of noise and allegations from fans but nowhere near the types of poo poo you saw in like, 2007-2008 as far as positive tests go. There's always debate over whether the sport is actually cleaner or if people are just good at beating tests now.
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Feb 14, 2023 22:21
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David Ortiz is the only roider that I think should have a permanent black mark.
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Feb 14, 2023 22:35
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Everyone cheats at cycling - restore Lance's titles IMO since everyone was cheating and he was still better than them
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Feb 14, 2023 23:20
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This is crazy and I've never heard about it before
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Feb 14, 2023 23:27
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There are bizarre social dynamics like that in cycling because for enormous parts of each race everyone is just riding together in a giant group.
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Feb 14, 2023 23:30
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i stopped following cycling super closely in like 2016 but at the time the average tour speed was higher than in the lance era and the estimated w/kgs for the contenders were creeping back up towards the 7 w/kg territory , which is what the height of the doping era was. The teams(sky mostly) argued that it was ~marginal gains~ but who knows. there is the argument, which i tend to believe, that the cheaters will always be one step ahead of the controls because it is far more profitable
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Feb 15, 2023 00:55
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So, there is a mixed martial artist named Michael Bisping. In a 2013 fight, he got kicked in the head by Vitor Belfort (who was on doctor approved testosterone replacement therapy at the time, which is a chapter in UFC history that deserves its own post) and started having a bunch of trouble with his right eye. Nerve damage, it deteriorates, and his eye is totally done. (Nowadays, post-retirement, he has a glass eye on that side). Now, MMA is not a safe sport by any means, but fighters do have to go through a full physical before every fight. And you are not allowed to fight with only one eye! But Bisping was able to pass all his physicals with a suite of advanced techniques: - Just telling doctors that he could see instead of actually taking the tests - Buying a generic eye chart online and memorizing it because all doctor's offices have the same eye chart - Sometimes he would put up his right hand and cover his right eye, read something, then hold up his left hand and cover his right eye and doctors wouldn't notice he was using the same eye lol He went on to fight 11 times after the Vitor fight and won the UFC Middleweight championship at one point.
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Stealth Tiger posted:So, there is a mixed martial artist named Michael Bisping. In a 2013 fight, he got kicked in the head by Vitor Belfort (who was on doctor approved testosterone replacement therapy at the time, which is a chapter in UFC history that deserves its own post) and started having a bunch of trouble with his right eye. Nerve damage, it deteriorates, and his eye is totally done. (Nowadays, post-retirement, he has a glass eye on that side). king
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Feb 15, 2023 06:04
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If you are interested in Cheating in Sports, Australian sportswriter/comedian Titus O'Reilly has written a, (in my opinion), very very good bok on the subject. Called Cheat: The not so subtle art of conning your way to sporting glory. For non Aussies, it might be a bit Cricket/Rugby heavy. But it has an awesome chapter on Marseille bribing their way to Champions League glory.
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Feb 15, 2023 07:18
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maniacripper posted:In high school baseball we used to figure out a few team's pitch signs each season if the coaches were signaling them in from the dugout, it was like a game within a game for the rest of us between innings if we weren't hitting or on deck. None of this is cheating or wrong.
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Feb 15, 2023 12:47
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maniacripper posted:Also its lovely for a runner to try and relay signs from second base he picks up from the catcher, but I feel like this one is becoming more acceptable amongst the bat flipping generation. okay grandpa lets get you to bed
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Feb 16, 2023 16:55
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Stealing Signs is a tradition as old as baseball its using stuff other then the players and staff on the fields eyeballs that was the problem.
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Feb 16, 2023 16:59
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The Lance Armstrong stuff to me is some of the worst stuff ever and the fact that there's been even a centimeter of movement to try to sort of rehab his image or the fact that he isn't booed everywhere he goes just pisses me off. He's true trash.
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soggybagel posted:The Lance Armstrong stuff to me is some of the worst stuff ever and the fact that there's been even a centimeter of movement to try to sort of rehab his image or the fact that he isn't booed everywhere he goes just pisses me off. He's true trash. i always like this list of cycling cheaters ranked by how likely people are to forgive them because so much of it is just subjective and kind of cool to think about https://cyclingtips.com/2018/04/commentary-a-partially-subjective-ranking-of-cyclings-dopers-loved-and-hated/ also Armstrong was a legitimate psycho who went way beyond just doping a bit, he was and likely still is an absolute bully who ruined multiple careers
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Feb 16, 2023 18:22
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I watched part of that ESPN doc on him. It wasn't really image repair, but it was completely clear that Armstrong didn't care that he cheated, didn't feel bad, and went out of his way to blame the entire system before he took a hard look in the mirror. And again, if it was just him cheating I wouldn't really care. It's that he was so vindictive and went out of his way to destroy other people that makes him honestly pretty fascinating.
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Feb 16, 2023 19:05
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One of the reasons Lance Armstrong got caught as badly as he did was that he was such an arsehole in real life that he had people lining up eager to give evidence against him, even if it implicated themselves. They just hated that prick.
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Australia did their own number one snitch ref bit And spent a lot of money to develop tests for cutting edge doping stuff, so that their olympic athletes could train clean and then have an edge when the new test popped up and caught other countries athletes. I dunno if that’s still going on
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