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i love that after, idk, a decade of attempts at consumer windows on arm, we're still hopeful that qualcomm will make an arm processor that doesn't suck sure, every previous attempt has failed because the performance was absolute dogshit, but i've got a good feeling about this one. they've got graphs and everything infernal machines fucked around with this message at 13:23 on Apr 24, 2024 |
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Jonny 290 posted:love how congress is worrying about meme websites way more than people loving dying of starvation and fent in the streets and we have nazis in f350s rolling coal and bullets on minorities who gives a gently caress about tiktok rofl the state is not originally for any of that crap, the state is originally for war
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infernal machines posted:i love that after, idk, a decade of attempts at windows on arm, we're still hopeful that qualcomm will make an arm processor that doesn't suck
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on microsofts side it is for sure extremely classic playbook, much like windows nt on mips, alpha, powerpc, etc. not that expensive to get done and creates solid security if winds do change. and indeed afaik there's nothing wrong with the arm port of windows, it is impractical in that the socs are garbage and the 3rd party support is weak, but i don't think they're that worried about changing that unless it changes by itself.
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Apr 24, 2024 13:33
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the problem with windows on arm isn't windows qualcomm has tried and failed for like 16 years to make a processor as performant as apple's arm designs. i'm skeptical they've succeeded this time. selling the equivalent of a late 2000s netbook that runs most of your apps terribly isn't a great consumer proposition in 2024
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Apr 24, 2024 13:38
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they've acquired and killed like three different companies for it lol
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i use windows on arm on parallels on mac when i need to do windows things and its Fine
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Shame Boy posted:i use windows on arm on parallels on mac when i need to do windows things and its Fine yeah, infernal machines is right like, the fact that windows works great on mac arm parallels and poo poo doesn't do poo poo for microsoft and it doesnt do poo poo for qualcomm, you know?
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their conclusion sounds different from yours like i don't think windows on arm is going to get very widespread adoption, but it sounds like it works fine
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mystes posted:I see windows on arm mostly as a hedge against the possibility that non-apple arm cpus will overtake x64 cpus that's exactly what it is, the fake rear end qualcomm graph at the bottom proves it lol even if their performance claims pan out (they won't, not yet anyway) i'm pretty sure this is 100% right
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bob dobbs is dead posted:yeah, infernal machines is right they don't actually have anything in the article about the new snapdragon's performance though, just the previous one that was in a recent surface. it's not out yet, so there hasn't been any independent testing (and lol, i would not believe qualcomm or microsoft, though the latter is slightly more trustworthy)
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Beeftweeter posted:their conclusion sounds different from yours right, but as we've mostly agreed, windows isn't the problem, the problem is qualcomm can't make a cpu that runs windows and translated windows apps worth a drat. they've been trying for a long time, and so far all they've managed is performance parity with poo poo apple was shipping in the iphone ten years ago. microsoft can hedge that non-mac arm will be a viable product at some point, but counting on qualcomm to make it happen hasn't worked so well. the joke with the article is betteridge's law. never mind ars' conclusions about anything, they're a tech press hype machine. infernal machines fucked around with this message at 15:11 on Apr 24, 2024 |
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this is like the endless "ipad killer?" articles that came out for like two years around the launch of the ipad. the answer is always "no, probably not" e: anand has some more coverage of the launch. no benchmarks yet infernal machines fucked around with this message at 15:34 on Apr 24, 2024 |
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infernal machines posted:right, but as we've mostly agreed, windows isn't the problem, the problem is qualcomm can't make a cpu that runs windows and translated windows apps worth a drat. i wouldn't be surprised if ms starts their own cpu design team. seems like that's the direction most of the industry is headed in anyway, amazon has one, google has one, meta has one, and of course so does apple, etc. it'd help them get a leg up with xbox even. of course their biggest rivals there, sony and nintendo, also have their own experience with processor design, but not anytime in the past ~25 years lol
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bob dobbs is dead posted:the state is not originally for any of that crap, the state is originally for war what is your point tho
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it means they're getting back to war, which was the main content of the bill, the tiktok stuff was the sideshow
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bob dobbs is dead posted:the state is not originally for any of that crap, the state is originally for war that doesnt mean war is the states primary purpose right now. how do you think they pick which wars to fight?
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the actual-profitable wars take like 6 weeks or drag on with low casualties, this is at the brutally unprofitable stage of war at high intensity anglo-mughal wars vs. napoleonic wars
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bob dobbs is dead posted:the actual-profitable wars take like 6 weeks or drag on with low casualties, this is at the brutally unprofitable stage of war at high intensity profitable for who? who is paying the costs and who stands to gain? you gotta answer those questions before you can even start talking about a war being profitable or not
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look, war was a constant thousands of years before capitalism was a twinkle in some dutch and british peeps eyes and it will be a constant hundreds of years after the glorious socialist revolution. don't pretend capitalism has trammelled war, it hasn't
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Beeftweeter posted:i wouldn't be surprised if ms starts their own cpu design team. seems like that's the direction most of the industry is headed in anyway, amazon has one, google has one, meta has one, and of course so does apple, etc. they've been using amd x86 designs for this generation and the last (well, sony and ms have, the switch was a tegra but it's also like eight years old now). it'd be interesting if ms actually managed a laptop/desktop arm design with a bit of mustard on it though
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bob dobbs is dead posted:look, war was a constant thousands of years before capitalism was a twinkle in some dutch and british peeps eyes and it will be a constant hundreds of years after the glorious socialist revolution. don't pretend capitalism has trammelled war, it hasn't i didn’t
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similarly, you shouldn’t pretend class conflict started in the 1700s or whatever im not saying you are, but it’s the same type of accusation
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one of the grand cyberpunk themes that panned out absolute poo poo in a real sudden manner is the general thinning away of the state in favor of corporations oops! the state is still a thing!
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corporations would rather there be a state because they can simply exert influence over it without assuming any of its responsibilities
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Jonny 290 posted:what is your point tho he’s trying to say, as per usual, the problems of contemporary american society are generizeable to the problems of all civilization past and present. what little is new are both details and common to most or all contemporary societies
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all windows on arm needs to do is render web pages quickly, and with low power consumption native software support matters less and less, the majority of the 'work' normal people do on computers is in a browser or an electron app, so cross-compiling isn't the issue it was a decade ago the only modern requirements for a consumer laptop is 1) load facebook/gmail/amazon quickly, 2) long battery life, and 3) enough ram that it doesn't bog down when you're running chrome and msteams at the same time
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thats not the windows Way and you know it
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excuse me, I am reliably informed that war never changes
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Tijuana-A-Go-Go posted:all windows on arm needs to do is render web pages quickly, and with low power consumption ms doesn't care about consumers using windows anymore. windows 11 is proof, it's garbage for consumers and is overtly hostile to them it's also garbage for businesses, but less so, and those are the customers that ms cares about. and they absolutely do care about backwards compatibility (going way further back than you'd think)
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Tijuana-A-Go-Go posted:all windows on arm needs to do is render web pages quickly, and with low power consumption they've already ceded that market to idevices and chromebooks, particularly in the educational sector. they're 10-15 years too late to the party at this point
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i don't think they've ceded education to anyone. globally probably ahead, as i think chromebooks are mostly a us thing. and wisely they're all over the segment and will probably pounce when google inevitably loses interest in some aspect.
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the arm version of windows has some kinda translation layer so it can run x86 stuff like how rosetta on mac works, and it seems to do Fine
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Tijuana-A-Go-Go posted:all windows on arm needs to do is render web pages quickly, and with low power consumption that's the thing, chromebooks exist already, they don't run windows, and many are already using arm. microsoft has variously tried to make versions of windows that don't run windows apps, and they have not been successful in the market, at all infernal machines fucked around with this message at 17:44 on Apr 24, 2024 |
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Shame Boy posted:the arm version of windows has some kinda translation layer so it can run x86 stuff like how rosetta on mac works, and it seems to do Fine yes, it does fine on an apple silicon mac. it does less fine on any qualcomm produced arm design to date
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fart simpson posted:he’s trying to say, as per usual, the problems of contemporary american society are generizeable to the problems of all civilization past and present. what little is new are both details and common to most or all contemporary societies yeah i pretty much agree with that. that aligns with my misanthropic worldview nicely.
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i mean, the hell nature of social media is kinda new but its completely globalized pretty instantly so its more of a new hell thing inserted into the human condition
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is it though? i mean we’ve had hundreds of thousands of years of hosed up social pressures.
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they had writing thousands of years before the printing press and yet the sheer differential quantity of writing made protestantism, rendered the holy roman empire a smoking ruin, etc etc.
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Eeyo posted:yeah i pretty much agree with that. that aligns with my misanthropic worldview nicely. well yes i think he’s partially correct
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