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Guy A. Person
May 23, 2003

xbilkis posted:

Da Bears



R.D. Mangles posted:

gently caress THE PACKERS

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Guy A. Person
May 23, 2003


Guy A. Person
May 23, 2003

R.D. Mangles posted:

one interesting storyline this season is that the bears have the first pick of the upcoming nfl draft. usually teams take a quarterback there, but the bears feel like they have their guy in fields... so it's possible they might trade the pick to a quarterback-desperate team in exchange for more draft picks! anyone hear anything about this?

Sounds pretty contrived, how’d they get the first pick if they have a good QB? Writers are pulling some poo poo imo

Guy A. Person
May 23, 2003


guys i'm literally crying tears of joy rn

Guy A. Person
May 23, 2003

Sataere posted:

Raspberry Beret or no deal!

uhhh a pair of crying doves?

Guy A. Person
May 23, 2003


they're allowed to have one

Guy A. Person
May 23, 2003

xbilkis posted:

As a GM I assume I would also like to tell everyone about the cool poo poo I almost pulled off, so I find this to be extremely relatable

I don't think there's any real harm in it unless other FO types get annoyed about him blabbing, and as a fan I prefer a GM that gives me too much insight into what he's thinking than nothing at all. So keep talking to impress Peter King (??), I say

Yeah pretty much everyone was talking about it as this pie in the sky "what if they actually pulled it off" thing but pretty much nobody thought it was a realistic option. Having him go "well I did try to work out if it could happen but at the end of the day went with something more solid" is cool insight, but you'd have to be real cynical* to think "well he screwed it up since he didn't pull off a historically convoluted double trade".

* I believe this is Niwrad's queue

Guy A. Person
May 23, 2003

TITTIEKISSER69 posted:

But that guy is gon... oh wait

*cue

gently caress

Guy A. Person
May 23, 2003

Niwrad posted:

And I don't see what criticism of Poles is off. The Bears would get nothing remotely close to the 32nd pick in the draft for Claypool right now. Gordon and Jones would not be 2nd and 3rd round picks if there was a re-draft. All that can change of course, but early returns look bad.

"Right now" is probably the key word there. Like yeah, hindsight is always 20/20 , and the Bears gave up the top pick on day 2 (although as mastershakemen already pointed out, there's a key distinction that keeps it from being "essentially a first round pick" like you've stated before) but they had zero way of knowing that when they made the trade on November 1st, 2022 when they were 3 and 5 and looking at a weak WR free agency. It was a desperation move and it hasn't panned out so far, luckily other things have shifted and now we have Moore for our WR1.

Of course, you called it bad from the beginning so I guess it wasn't "hindsight" for you, but like some wise people up above stated "if you take that stance you're going to be proven right more often". You've already pre-emptively stated that even if Claypool has a record season it's actually bad for the Bears because then he will just leave in free agency, so no matter what you can say you're right, but it's just kind of exhausting for everyone else.

Guy A. Person
May 23, 2003

To be clear I’m not even “defending” it as an objectively good move, especially in hindsight of it being pick 32. I’m saying it’s defensible given the data they had at the time (repeatedly harping on it being a direct trade for pick 32 is highly disingenuous)

Guy A. Person
May 23, 2003

IcePhoenix posted:

I'm not sure anyone would have predicted the Bears pick would be even close to #1 when they made the trade anyway, didn't they just lose out to finish the season after they made it? I feel like they were like 3-4 or something when it happened so getting a weapon for your young QB to see if you could make some magic happen seems fine to me and ending up in the 10-15 range otherwise would have probably been a more common prediction

Yea, they were 3-5, definitely not looking great but not “lose the remaining 8 games while other teams in the league collude to give you the first pick” territory

Guy A. Person
May 23, 2003

Sataere posted:

They were never going to be a top ten pick. I don't know why people felt that way. Two firsts next year is still really good.

From my perspective as someone who doesn't have much knowledge of teams outside the NFC North my entire thought process was "well they are the ninth pick this year and drafting a rookie QB and supposedly gave their best receiver to us, so they will probably be a little worse next year while their QB develops". I fully defer to more knowledgeable people ITT tho and agree that in any case 2 first rounds is still really good

EDIT: also probably subconscious Bears fan bias: "teams just get worse and worse each year till everyone gets fired, right?"

Guy A. Person
May 23, 2003

MJeff posted:

He started this whole stupid thing by trading up to do a ludicrous reach for a QB prospect that hasn't seen the field in three years in the middle of a Super Bowl window without telling his current QB.

Ok but that was only one time!

Guy A. Person
May 23, 2003

Johnny Five-Jaces posted:

i hope the lions win the nfc north and, hell, the super bowl

Same, let them win before the Bears dynasty activates

Guy A. Person
May 23, 2003

Abugadu posted:

Synchs up well to Blink-182’s All the Small Things.

Lmao

Guy A. Person
May 23, 2003

xbilkis posted:

Indefinite suspensions were for betting on NFL games, 6 game suspensions were for betting on college games from a team facility (which is such horseshit; NFL properties can be decked out in sports gambling ads and literally house sportsbooks, but god forbid a guy place a bet on his phone from the practice building or whatever)

Yeah this is such horseshit mixed messaging. Being in the NFL and betting on NFL games I can totally understand being a huge deal because there could be questions of insider knowledge/collusion/rigging etc, but "you can't bet on other leagues/sports while standing 3 feet away from a 100 foot tall billboard about DraftKings that the owners are raking in money over" is loving nonsense

Guy A. Person
May 23, 2003

fennesz posted:

:tipshat:

I'll go back to lurking! Keep your head in the sand folks!

"Did you mean this stupid thing I am inferring from your post?"

"No"

"lol okay wow, denial much? Guess I'll just be the man with one eye in the land of the blind over here"

Guy A. Person
May 23, 2003


is there something especially egregious about this pick? I admittedly don't know anything about him but we need defensive linemen

edit: apparently an article a buddy was reading mentioned he didn't get a single holding penalty during his entire college career

Guy A. Person
May 23, 2003

Niwrad posted:

I have nothing against Poles. I just don't think GMs should get credit for tearing down teams and "acquiring assets". That's just poo poo on paper and easy to do.

And I'm not knocking the strategy at all. If that's what it takes to build a winning team, that's what it takes. I did think they should have given Fields a little more help last season to speed up development. But he'll ultimately be judged by the results, not hypotheticals. We'll find out next season how well he's doing as this team should improve considerably.

I just think it's weird that some of you won't admit that the Claypool trade was bad. I mean I'll give a pass to those who think 26 year old Velus Jones just needs time to develop, but no one would seriously take a season of Claypool over the 32nd pick in the draft.

I mean, Claypool was their attempt to get the help for Fields that you wanted, and at the time they made the trade they didn't realize they would be giving up the 32nd overall pick or that they were going to be in a position to get DJ Moore. It's not that "some of us won't admit the Claypool trade was bad" since in hindsight it was, it's that people were giving them the benefit of the doubt for taking a calculated risk that didn't pan out (but mostly just because obviously better options became available to them through a series of unforeseeable events after they made the trade)

Guy A. Person
May 23, 2003

xbilkis posted:

The Bears cause for optimism is the run after the mini-bye where they were putting up ~28 ppg with Fields at QB and generally staying competitive against solid teams even after intentionally gutting the defense

HootTheOwl posted:

because they were reverse vikings last season, loosing like 10 games by one score, so if Fields improves at all and scores one more point then suddenly they're 13-4 instead of 3-14

Yeah it's these two mainly, plus the last few games likely being intentional tanking. Also I feel like the ceiling being .500 is not an obscene amount of optimism, esp when most people are saying that's "reachable" and most other people are putting their optimistic win total at like 6 or 7.

I'm also in line with the Vegas odds and think 6 or 7 games should be what we are reaching for in order to show meaningful progress, but there's going to be a lot of other factors to watch. If the Bears somehow win 10 games but nearly kill Fields doing it I am going to be a lot more disgusted and hopeless than if they only win 5 but keep Fields super healthy and showing progress.

Guy A. Person
May 23, 2003

Yeah it's a weirdly worded tweet due to the choice to use "protected" as well as saying Bears fans "travel well" so I initially thought they were afraid that there would be more Bears fans traveling to Germany which would look lopsided for the Super Bowl champions to have fewer fans abroad than KC fans. But I think getting Bears fans money at hotels and nearby businesses is more of the calculation here.

It's a loving bummer because I was going to use my 40th birthday being a month before as an excuse to travel to Germany to watch the Bears, definitely not wasting a big birthday trip on fuckin' Kansas City

Guy A. Person
May 23, 2003

IcePhoenix posted:

In the same sentence that says they travel well it says they don't want to lose local revenue it's worded fine :v:

Yea fair

Guy A. Person
May 23, 2003

Aaaaaaarrrrrggggg posted:

Look at those scrappy underdogs from Green Bay. On average still failing to take the division...

I stared at this chart with my mouth hanging open for like 10 minutes before I realized that should be 2022 and not 2002 (which means packers got first 15 out of 28 years which is def above average)

Guy A. Person
May 23, 2003

TITTIEKISSER69 posted:

Titties'll do that

“I’m here to kiss titties and play football…and I’m not very good at football”

Guy A. Person
May 23, 2003

BigBeefCity posted:

*shrug*
The guy said the concrete weeps piss and it's a dump.
Here - look at it.



Wow that's really 'white knighting' and wanting to gently caress it. Sure.

Lambeau is indeed a beautiful stadium, I watched the Bears get their heads kicked in there twice and both times everyone was still super polite and fun to be around.

But also if someone just heard a false rumor maybe don’t get super pissed off and aggressive at them? For being misinformed?? Like a simple “nah it’s not like that, you were told wrong” is plenty, you constantly post like you’re on the verge of getting into a fist fight with someone, goddamn

Guy A. Person
May 23, 2003

trevorreznik posted:

The big bridge (currently being repainted) on GB is way the heck nicer than whatever Peoria has.

Peoria's claims to fame are the riverboat casino (in east peoria), not being as racist as its neighboring town Pekin, the burger barge (also in east peoria), and having Tiktok influencers convince millenials to move there

As a Chicagoan I applaud Green Bay's decisive and thorough victory over (rechecks quote to make sure I spell this right) Peoria, Illinois

Guy A. Person
May 23, 2003

BigBeefCity posted:

Who the heck was 'being super pissed off and aggressive'?
The dude said the concrete weeeped piss smells and I posted some pics of the place.
I wasn't being super pissed off and aggressive by doing that - chill.

It's like "Your house smells like moth balls and I'm crying!" And you respond with "Well it doesn't, really." And people are like "WHY ARE YOU GOING CRAZY YOU MONSTER"

Okay well SORRY for posting in such a way that made it seem like I was BEING WEIRDLY ANGRY by capitalizing RANDOM parts of my post

Guy A. Person
May 23, 2003

BigBeefCity posted:

the gently caress is wrong with you?

I don't know what you're talking about lol, i'm totally chill, maybe just relax a bit

Guy A. Person
May 23, 2003

Yeah the tailgating rules, it is simultaneously more chill than say Soldier Field since you have way more room (when we did it we were in a walmart parking lot and people were parking on people's lawns for like $20 or whatever) but also people get really into it so its a bunch of fun

Guy A. Person
May 23, 2003

Yeah tavern-cut is just like a general midwest thing, when you search google you get a bunch of pages calling it "Chicago tavern style" but I've always heard it originated from southern Illinois or possibly St. Louis

Guy A. Person
May 23, 2003

AnoHito posted:

Approximately how much copium do pizza eaters outside of the New Jersey/New York area huff per hour?

I dunno what that stuff is but it seems like wasted calories we could instead be using on delicious midwest style pizza

Guy A. Person
May 23, 2003

Ugh typical packers fans taking our hatred in stride and being charmingly self deprecating, drives me bonkers

Guy A. Person
May 23, 2003

CharlestheHammer posted:

Bears fans are weirdly cocky considering they are also bad

I’m confused, is Jordan Love the Bears fan? He was the one attempting trash talk there

Guy A. Person
May 23, 2003

“Jets leave chemtrails” after some players test positive for PEDs

Guy A. Person
May 23, 2003

Metapod posted:

Can I be put on the list? I don't hate him but I don't want to watch bears games to see if he starts performing well

I mean it became exciting to watch Bears games last season specifically because I was waiting for him to break off a 50+ yard touchdown run.

Now, I would much rather this was paired with several good passing touchdowns, and rarely it was but hopefully that will change with our new additions to the offense.

Guy A. Person
May 23, 2003

HootTheOwl posted:

Are you doing a bit?

Look the kids only 25 and he keeps getting better every year!

Guy A. Person
May 23, 2003

Hizawk posted:

Jordan Love is 24 years old. He's practically 27.

And that's practically 28! he's aging faster than Cole Kmet!

Guy A. Person
May 23, 2003


lol literally creating a culture where being happy that you did well is discouraged, what an absolute bumblefuck, happy for Lions fans that you got rid of this guy

Guy A. Person
May 23, 2003

HootTheOwl posted:

The opitimism of bears fans is disgusting.

"Bears....fine? :ohdear:"

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Guy A. Person
May 23, 2003

Niwrad please send us some kind of signal if you are being held at gun point and forced to write hopeful things about the Bears

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