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Lore o da rings (Cockney accent)
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Imo any bronze age settled civilization would get it easily. Earlier than that, you might have a problem, but perhaps not for the reasons you expect. A stone age hunter gatherer might understand all the elf, hobbit, orc bullshit just fine - oh so they are good / evil/ corrupted spirits, yes, we got some of those around as well -, the same with spells, cursed etc., that's just part of everyday life as far as people used to be concerned, but I dunno how well he would comprehend the idea of political struggle between major city dwelling nations fielding giant armies, the vying for land etc., even the symbolic meaning of just the rings themselves would probably be incomprehensible on multiple levels (literally, as products of metallurgy, and symbolically with both the act of smithing and gifting of the rings, and the rings themselves used to convey political ideas that probably wouldn't have fully existed in his society). Thanks for attending my tedtalk steinrokkan fucked around with this message at 08:12 on Mar 4, 2023 |
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Mar 4, 2023 08:09
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Applewhite posted:If you magically got sent back in time with a copy of the Hobbit and the complete Lord of the Rings Trilogy, when is the earliest era where you could tell the story and have it be received as enthusiastically as in the modern era? (Assume you can speak the local language.) when ever gilamesh was written. so during the time of cave men but right on the edge of civilization starting to
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Mar 4, 2023 08:39
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steinrokkan posted:Imo any bronze age settled civilization would get it easily. Earlier than that, you might have a problem, but perhaps not for the reasons you expect. Those Bronze Age cultures didn't just spring into being out of nothing. Gobekli Tepe and other recent archaeological digs have demonstrated that late neolithic societies were a lot more organized and sophisticated than previously given credit, capable of coordinating enough labor to build massive permanent building complexes. So like it might fly over the heads of people in 10000 BC, but 5-6000 BC is probably fair game. They knew what farming was, they were dabbling in soft metal crafting, they had cities, they undoubtedly knew some form of warfare. They wouldn't really have reference for the scale of a lot of things but they could probably imagine them. If you've seen a couple hundred dudes charging each other with spears then at some point the thought occurs to you, woah, what if many thousands of guys did the same thing???
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Mar 4, 2023 08:57
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Tolkien probably wrote those books on the plates Joseph Smith hid in his backyard No way to confirm
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Mar 4, 2023 09:05
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Imo the salient question is: would the people of the past agree with removing tom bombadil from the adaptations?
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Mar 4, 2023 09:08
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Germans REALLY understood it in the 1930s
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Mar 4, 2023 10:10
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LOTR sucks rear end. i'd take them some videogames, or a VHS copy of die hard
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Mar 4, 2023 12:03
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steinrokkan posted:Imo the salient question is: would the people of the past agree with removing tom bombadil from the adaptations? Tell me again, future man, of how I might gently caress the mighty Tigris or Euphrates
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Mar 4, 2023 12:16
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Cut out the lore and watch Orlando Bloom be an elf
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Mar 4, 2023 12:22
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I dunno man, when were loving dorks invented? Whenever that happened, that's the answer.
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Mar 4, 2023 13:05
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Applewhite posted:I bet the classical Hellenic cultures could probably grasp most of the concepts, but the style of storytelling and the themes are very different than the stories they tell. I feel like a story about the clash of mighty nations that didn't mention the gods even once would probably fall flat for them. The Valar are functionally gods. I'd plump for around when we get armies and cities and epics so ancient Sumeria or so.
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Mar 4, 2023 13:39
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Cave man, to me, trying to tell him about the elves: "Shut the gently caress up about this dork poo poo and tell me more about these "hobbit holes". So, you like dig into the earth? And live in the hole? That's some wild poo poo"
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Mar 4, 2023 13:47
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Probably the Germanic peoples that killed the Roman Empire in the 5th century. Elvish has a bit of Gothic, Vandalic, and Latin language in it, and I would imagine the premise sounds like some sort of epic they would have told by a bonfire at night or something 
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Mar 4, 2023 14:07
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STFU NERDS
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Mar 4, 2023 14:26
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feedmegin posted:The Valar are functionally gods. The Valar are functionally gods yes but they're scarcely mentioned in connection with the events of the story. Hellenic stories had the gods directly involved in basically any major event. Frodo would have to be getting inspiration from Athena and poo poo every ten minutes.
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Mar 4, 2023 14:34
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The Silmarillion is near indistinguishable from any other mytho-poetic poem right down to the gods getting freaky with mortals and making the sun too sexy to look at for too long.
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Mar 4, 2023 14:36
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Applewhite posted:The Valar are functionally gods yes but they're scarcely mentioned in connection with the events of the story. Hellenic stories had the gods directly involved in basically any major event. Frodo would have to be getting inspiration from Athena and poo poo every ten minutes. You've got Gandalf in that role, though.
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Mar 4, 2023 14:37
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Applewhite posted:The Valar are functionally gods yes but they're scarcely mentioned in connection with the events of the story. Hellenic stories had the gods directly involved in basically any major event. Frodo would have to be getting inspiration from Athena and poo poo every ten minutes. The Valar have servants, like the Eagles and Maiar, in the world. They're also the Elves gods, even in text they're not viewed the same way by men, who view them dimly/distantly and have way more connection to the maiar. One can also make the case, based on the Silmarillion's own wording, the maiar were the humans original gods that got slapped into the pantheon the elves already had when Elves ran the show, so when the Elves lost control sometime during the 3rd age the Valar lost prominence in human religion but left humans with weird polytheistic mess of systems. Also, I think Lord of the Rings mentions Gondor practices ancestor worship. Barudak fucked around with this message at 14:42 on Mar 4, 2023 |
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Mar 4, 2023 14:39
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Applewhite posted:The Valar are functionally gods yes but they're scarcely mentioned in connection with the events of the story. Hellenic stories had the gods directly involved in basically any major event. Frodo would have to be getting inspiration from Athena and poo poo every ten minutes. I think the Greeks would understand Gandalf, Sauron etc to be stand in for the gods, it at least agents of the gods.
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Mar 4, 2023 14:39
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The eagles take me away when I'm in danger too Don't worry I can whistle for a magical horse
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Mar 4, 2023 14:42
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I could worship the beings that these racist rear end Elves tell me don't give a poo poo about me and wont let me into their heaven or I can worship this dude with some sick rear end yellow boots in the woods near my house.
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Mar 4, 2023 14:45
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I still don't know how anyone can understand a story told by a man who constantly interrupts himself to discuss the history of every passing cave, field, and hill, at length, none of which bear any relevance to the plot or will ever be mentioned again.
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Mar 4, 2023 14:48
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Das Boo posted:I still don't know how anyone can understand a story told by a man who constantly interrupts himself to discuss the history of every passing cave, field, and hill, at length, none of which bear any relevance to the plot or will ever be mentioned again. Yeah, the Aeneid sucks.
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Mar 4, 2023 14:51
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Just think about it as playing Morrowind and exploring every empty cave in the world before begrudgingly going to Mt Doom / Mt Red
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Mar 4, 2023 14:55
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Das Boo posted:I still don't know how anyone can understand a story told by a man who constantly interrupts himself to discuss the history of every passing cave, field, and hill, at length, none of which bear any relevance to the plot or will ever be mentioned again. I'm in the middle of listening to the unabridged trilogy again on audiobook and I think you might be exaggerating.
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Mar 4, 2023 15:00
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Barudak posted:Yeah, the Aeneid sucks.
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Mar 4, 2023 16:26
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I think the concept of “no ring” is timeless op
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Mar 4, 2023 16:27
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Icochet posted:That's not how I remember it. Song after song that you can just skip. Actual story maybe 15 pages Touché.
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Mar 4, 2023 17:18
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BAGS FLY AT NOON posted:I think the concept of “no ring” is timeless op The Eye of Sauron, too, if you know what I mean. 
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Mar 4, 2023 17:27
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Before they discovered smoking weed they might have understood pipeweed intellectually, but not emotionally
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Mar 4, 2023 18:01
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Tunicate posted:Before they discovered smoking weed they might have understood pipeweed intellectually, but not emotionally The dankest weed in the Southfarthing
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