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Apr 20, 2007

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PinheadSlim posted:

Tank combat at distances of 5KM, beyond the ability of the tankers to even see what they are shooting at, as drone operators act as forward observers and correct the tankers fire.

And they did it in T-62s. Holy poo poo.

Is that because the Russian tanks are pretty much stationary?

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Almost half of the IT people work underhand, without a work book, and officially registered employees often receive 40–60% of their salary in envelopes, follows from accounting documents. Between themselves, Prigozhin's employees discuss that in addition to the white salary in other companies, "there is something that we do not have and will not have": a flexible start of the working day, medical insurance, bonuses. Former employees also complain about the "climate in the team" - in particular, mutual intrigues. Uncompetitive working conditions may explain the low level of education among IT specialists of Prigozhin's structures. Qualified specialists can hardly withstand Prigozhin's spontaneous micromanagement and rudeness - many had moved to "unfriendly" countries even before the start of the war.

Now I can't stop imagining a reboot of Hogans Heroes, only this time it's the IT Crowd trying to stay alive as they work to foil the plots of an evil mastermind who kills people off screen with a sledge hammer.

Every episode our low level techie pragmatists have to dodge getting executed for failing him for the last time.


<Queue Laugh Track>. The violance is as bad other British Comedies like The Young Ones.

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Apr 20, 2007

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Taerkar posted:

Also some M2s had bullet deflectors installed on the corners so that the sponson MGs could ricochet bullets off of them and into trenches as the tank drove along them.

The cult of the MG was filled with wiiiiiild ideas.

Pre-WW2 US army wargames came down to "Who has the most points at location X wins" and you got points for having more weapons.

So they pretty clearly built the tank like you build a custom made Battlemech - fit as many guns as you can on to each single vehicle so you can roll more d6's damage.


And always bring a ton of ammo. Per gun.

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Apr 20, 2007

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Crossing the Dniper would break the Russian defence and unhinge all their defensive lines to be useless and outflanked.

Saying there’s good tank country elsewhere is what the French army thought in 1940- there was but it was all a feint to draw the defenders away. And I can’t think the Russians defending the river are very deep or good troops- why put your best defence somewhere the enemy is not going to go?

Also its the best place the Ukrainian air support can probably be used and the worst one for Russian air- being further away from any of the Russian air bases and the ones in Crimea easy to hit.


I guess we’ll find out by next month or so? When’s the mud going to be gone by?

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Apr 20, 2007

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EasilyConfused posted:

Only partially related, but one of Herwig's first books, Politics of Frustration (1976), is a fascinating account of how Germany tried to develop a naval strategy to fight the US between 1889 and the start of WWII, with much ensuing comedy (towing battleships across the Atlantic, seizing Provincetown, Massachusetts as a base to take Boston, etc.).

Is there a Dracinfel video about this?

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Apr 20, 2007

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Ukraine will needs boots in the Crimea to take it. Once they break through the narrow defence at the neck, nothings going to stop an armored advance all the way to Sevastopol.

Blowing the bridge will be part of it, but only the beginning. Once they break through (using Helicopters to out flank it) it will fall very quickly.


Who wants to be the last Mobik defending something that's going to fall?

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Apr 20, 2007

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What this means: The battle for the city is over. No one's going to attack another building when they all leave next week.


Ukraine has won the battle of Bakhmut.

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Apr 20, 2007

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So....ah...the Russian government is now telling corporations to buy their own Air Defense Artillery and sensor systems to defend their buildings and property?


NOW we're living in a cyberpunked...punk.

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Apr 20, 2007

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Wait… how does that even work if you need to get out of the turret to reload the main gun?!? What??

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Apr 20, 2007

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These ARGs for a remake of Kelly’s Heroes are getting out of hand.


I know the Russians were robbing the banks when they invaded- wonder if they got any gold out if it.

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Apr 20, 2007

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I feel like it needs to be done as a Star Wars Trench Run too.

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Apr 20, 2007

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Toxic Mental posted:



This looks more like a junkyard than anything else

Next on the Discovery Channel- our two teams have to make one working T-62 out of this junk yard.


The winners get sent to the Ukrainian front.

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Apr 20, 2007

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Shaman Tank Spec posted:

After the war everyone basically sat up and took notice, and realized that while the Sherman wasn't the best tank in any kind of Top Trumps way, it was the best tank in that it was easy to mass produce, and very easy to repair and maintain in the field. NATO-adjacent countries have basically designed their tanks since World War II with the same principles in mind, and you can just basically pull the entire engine out of most modern tanks quite simply and just plug in a replacement, and the same for many other components.

When did the British tanks start doing this? I recall a lot of stories of the British having the best tanks in Europe...so long as it broke down in a good firing position.

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Apr 20, 2007

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Reddit reports: Ulitsa Lenina, 58, Shebekino, Belgorodskaya oblast', Russia, 309290

https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1664183790284013569 https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/1664204065801220097

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Google street view shows how it was before remodeling with a sign on the building I've translated as: "Russia's success is in our hands!"

Distance from the Ukrainian border (as the crow flies) is 7km.


Maybe setting the building on fire was to burn all the documents.

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Apr 20, 2007

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Scorpion class Battlemech.


Lucky for the Russians that Ukraine had not got Madcats.

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Apr 20, 2007

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Looks like HIMARS hitting Tokmak. Looking at a map it’s got roads going everywhere and is a very obvious point of attack.

I’ve never heard of that town before today but I expect we’re going to hear about it a lot very shortly.

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Apr 20, 2007

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Hughmoris posted:

Anyone want to predict how this particular saga ends?

Wagner wins and gets command of the army. Later -> takes down Putin

Wagner chooses not to fight. Later -> It's head loses his head.


Someone is losing their head over this.

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Apr 20, 2007

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a pipe smoking dog posted:

I assumed I was going to wake up this morning to "Prigozhin dead in ditch" not "Prigozhin captures Rostov in hours, commences march on Moscow"

Well the Biggest mistake you can make is to March on Moscow in winter.

The 2nd biggest mistake is committing your land armies to a conflict in Asia.


Prigozhin is yet to do the 2nd. Putin did that one already.

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Apr 20, 2007

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OctaMurk posted:

how is wagner dealing with helicopters at a faster rate that the ukrainian army, does he have a bunch aa missiles or something

https://twitter.com/akaclandestine/status/1672426735265038339?s=20


Belrus maybe too.

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Apr 20, 2007

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Wait what the hell airborne command post??!?

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Apr 20, 2007

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I'm getting the feeling of the Space Marine's coming towards Earth while Horus is about to drop his shields to invite the big E to come meet him.


Fortunately, the only golden throne that Putin can sit on, will not keep him alive for 10000 years.

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Apr 20, 2007

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KitConstantine posted:

It's coming back in a big way


Moscow in 3 days or Moscow in 3 hours. If they're 100km away they could be there in that time in an APC.


How close did the Germans get to it last time?

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Apr 20, 2007

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Mokotow posted:

It’s literally the presidential plane, like AF1, and it’s on publicly available sources shown flying out of Moscow to St. Pete’s. while no one has seen Putin board it, it would be highly unusual for his personal plane to be flying away from where he’s at.

You do not send the presidential plane away without you being on it.

He's fled to St Petersburg. When Qaddafi had to flee Tripoli, he's days were numbered.


His only hope is that Russian Aviation can roll a double-6 and get the kill.

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Apr 20, 2007

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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:

Literally everything russia thought was going to happen with ukraine is happening to them right now

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oracular_statements_from_Delphi

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n 560 BC, Croesus of Lydia, in a trial of oracles, consulted all the famous oracles as to what he was doing on an appointed day. According to Herodotus, the oracle proclaimed:

οἶδα δ'ἐγὼ ψάμμου τ᾽ ἀριθμὸν καὶ μέτρα θαλάσσης,
καὶ κωφοῦ συνίημι, καὶ οὐ φωνεῦντος ἀκούω.
ὀδμή μ᾽ ἐς φρένας ἦλθε κραταιρίνοιο χελώνης
ἑψομένης ἐν χαλκῷ ἅμ᾽ ἀρνείοισι κρέεσσιν,
ᾗ χαλκὸς μὲν ὑπέστρωται, χαλκὸν δ᾽ ἐπιέσται.[6]

[Translation: I know the number of the sand and the measure of the sea;
I understand the speech of the dumb and hear the voiceless.
The smell has come to my sense of a hard-shelled tortoise
being cooked with a lamb's flesh in a bronze pot:
bronze is the cauldron underneath, and bronze is the lid.]

Delphi was declared the winner. Croesus then asked if he should make war on the Persians and if he should take to himself any allied force. The oracles to whom he sent this question included those at Delphi and Thebes. Both oracles gave the same response, that if Croesus made war on the Persians, he would destroy a mighty empire. They further advised him to seek out the most powerful Greek peoples and make alliance with them.

Croesus paid a high fee to the Delphians and then sent to the oracle asking "Would his monarchy last long?" The Pythia answered:

ἀλλ᾽ ὅταν ἡμίονος βασιλεὺς Μήδοισι γένηται,
καὶ τότε, Λυδὲ ποδαβρέ, πολυψήφιδα παρ᾽ Ἕρμον
φεύγειν μηδὲ μένειν μηδ᾽ αἰδεῖσθαι κακὸς εἶναι.[7]

[Translation: Whenever a mule shall become sovereign king of the Medians,
then, Lydian Delicate-Foot, flee by the stone-strewn Hermus,
flee, and think not to stand fast, nor shame to be chicken-hearted.][8]

Croesus thought it impossible that a mule should be king of the Medes and thus believed that he and his issue would never be out of power. He thus decided to make common cause with certain Greek city-states and attack Persia.[8]

However, it was his empire, not that of the Persians, that was defeated, fulfilling the prophecy but not his interpretation of it. He apparently forgot that Cyrus, the victor, was half Mede (by his mother), half Persian (by his father), and therefore could be considered a "mule".[9]

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Apr 20, 2007

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Deptfordx posted:

Also maximum 'comedy' option. Kadyrov decides 'Welp. Good time to launch my coup attempt'.

Kadyrov depends on Putin giving him money. Wagner isn't going to care and will want him gone.

Kadyrov has to go all in or he's going to be getting on a plane to escape his collapsing empire too.


Right now it looks like Wagnar will get to Moscow first before Kadyrov get's to Rostov.

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Apr 20, 2007

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Barudak posted:

Can't believe Moscow is gonna fall because they can't spare any soldiers to stop this.

Isn't this how the Czar fell? He just had some cadets and everyone else noped out?


I'm sure Putin is glad he's escaped that ignominy.

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Apr 20, 2007

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https://twitter.com/Heroiam_Slava/status/1672586075208810497?s=20

Yes, Yes. I know codes, command, all that thing.


He doesn't need to use them. He just needs to capture them and offer to sell them to the highest bidder.

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Apr 20, 2007

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Someone asked about the large jet that got shot down:

:nws: :nms: report has link to video of jet going down. No chutes, and I doubt anyone survived that.

https://mil.in.ua/en/news/an-il-22m-air-borne-command-post-shot-down-in-the-voronezh-region/

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The Aerospace Forces of the Russian Federation have lost an Il-22М11 air-borne command post.

A video of the fall of a burning aircraft was published on social media.

Enemy aviation suffered a loss in the sky over the Voronezh region.

Russian propagandist Ilya Tumanov posted information about the tail number of the lost aircraft – RA-75917.

This number belongs to an Il-22М11 air-borne command post aircraft, which is essentially an air command post of the enemy army.

It is known that in recent years the Russian Federation has been modernizing these aircraft.

Il-22М11 is an important link in the building of a system of a unified information field at the group of troops level.

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Apr 20, 2007

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https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1672616852319551488?s=20


I can't say if this is accurate or not, but it probably does not matter anymore.

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Apr 20, 2007

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Blow posted:

What in the gently caress is happening?


The Fall of an Empire.

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Apr 20, 2007

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steinrokkan posted:

No, Kadyrov's got the best deal possible under Putin, he's de facto a sovereign prince who has all his whims fulfilled by Russia, which pays him a tribute in exchange for brutalizing the populace (which he enjoys). He doesn't have to run a country, he can just lounge around and torture people on Moscow's buck. The flip side of that is, there's plenty of Chechens who hate that he is Moscow's goon and a disgrace to his people, and who would be very happy to murder him if he ever fell out of grace.

If he's smart he'll offer the same deal. Kadyrov can keep his kingdom and won't need to commit anything.

The complete lack of reports of battle indicates he's either waiting to see who is the winner, or already got a deal made.


Kadyrov has to be bought off, and Wagnar would have known it and planned for it.

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Apr 20, 2007

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Captain Beans posted:

loving lol pro reads right here

russian army doing literal ferris bueller style mileage scams on their tanks

This was a plot point in Red storm rising . So it’s not a new problem for Russian armies.

The solution was to charge and death by firing squad a lot of supply Sargents and colonels.


Putin must never have read it.

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Apr 20, 2007

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Kevin DuBrow posted:

Hasn't there been a reassessment of Nevile Chamberlain from "naive appeaser" to someone whose actions are defensible in the context of preparing Britain for war? WW2 isn't my strong suit.

Germany was vastly weaker and would have been fighting through fortifications and without the Chech arms industry. So err no.


I think Turtledove did a series on it happening but I think everything goes * worse* somehow.

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Apr 20, 2007

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Does Prig want to be the King of Heaven (Russia), would he settle for Hell (Belrus) or does he just want to be rich and powerful?


Like, what does he actually want in life?

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Apr 20, 2007

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This is going to make models of these post war harder to paint after assembly.

I feel they should be using it to put camo on too.


A moving forest or something would be a lot harder to see from above.

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Apr 20, 2007

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I'm wondering how fast the Ukrainian advance compares to WW1 battles. Are we talking faster than the Somme? A lot slower than 1918?

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Apr 20, 2007

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redshirt posted:

Best thing to do when your invasion is failing? Open up a second front against the most powerful military alliance.

I take it you’ve never heard of the IJA and IJN.

So I expect Putin not to have heard of them either.


Uh oh.

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Apr 20, 2007

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GundamHealer posted:

A million moving parts, all rapidly rotating around an oil leak waiting for metal fatigue to set in. And also slowly taxiing towards a streetlight lmao.

Do you see it get hit by lighting?? The pole did its job.

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Apr 20, 2007

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What I find interesting is the US loudly told all nationals to leave Belarus…. 2 days ago.


They knew.

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Apr 20, 2007

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I suspect the Russian's put a lot more mines into the first defence line, and instead of treating it like a 1st line of 3, they just put everything they had into the first one.


The 3rd line around Tokamok will be a lot easier.

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