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Tigey
Apr 6, 2015

Futanari Damacy posted:

If stopping genocide goes hand in hand with stopping the war, then I don't see how supporting peace could be a controversial position :shrug:

Except 'stopping the war' by 'supporting peace' won't stop the genocide - it will accelerate it as Russia moves to consolidate its gains.

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Tigey
Apr 6, 2015

steinrokkan posted:

Welcome to the historically Canadian territory of Nunavut

An essential buffer zone against Greenland's ever expanding sphere of influence

Tigey
Apr 6, 2015

To be fair, that sounds exactly like something Elon Musk would say

Tigey
Apr 6, 2015

Vladimir Poochie died on the way back to his home planet

Tigey
Apr 6, 2015

StrangersInTheNight posted:

I also think that like two generations of folks being raised during the American 20-year ForeverWar has broken people's brains such that they can't possibly imagine that American isn't the main character of this conflict. For them, it's all a puppet proxy war between America and Russia, because at the end of the day American hyper-individualism means it's never not about us.

You say its a puppet proxy war, but ultimately, even Russia is basically just an NPC player to them, as it has zero agency, and can only automatically respond to US actions. It has no choice or culpability in anything it does.

All actions, from colour revolutions, countries wanting to join NATO or the EU, heck even Russia's internal politics, are ultimately due to the US.

Tigey
Apr 6, 2015

zone posted:

https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1635635671518916609
So sending Strelkov and friends to kickstart the whole shebang in Donbass is, according to you, "peaceful means." gently caress you, rear end in a top hat.

Russia has never attacked anyone. Ever.

And even if it did, it was tricked into it.

And even then, they deserved it.

Tigey
Apr 6, 2015

Tai posted:

https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1634987464267022336

Living rent free. As cringe as nafo is, it sure as poo poo gets under pro invasion peoples skin.

Just upset because even a single avatar makes their oh so serious reporting look ridiculous. No academics or commentators chiming in, just an army of terminally online nobodies and ridicule from cartoon dogs.

Maybe if they want more serious engagement they should rethink their habit of plastering the Wagner skull patch over nearly everything they post.

It doesn't help your cred to be cheering the advances of the Neo-Totenkopf brigade, it just gives off major "Are we the baddies" energy.

Tigey
Apr 6, 2015

Deki posted:

NAFO memes are loving awful in a vacuum but throw 20 at them at some scraggly bearded contrarian's twitter and the ensuing butthurt is glorious.

Speaking of, I just heard that Gonzalo Lira got booted out of Ukraine for materially helping the Russian army. Apparently he narc'd out a bunch of other collaborators to avoid any punishment but being kicked out of the country.

Saw similar claims, including that he requested to be 'deported', as he was afraid that if he stayed in Ukraine after snitching he was at risk of reprisals from Russia sympathisers for betraying them.

All just rumours at the moment, not seen any real confirmation.

Tigey
Apr 6, 2015

Pennsylvanian posted:

Lazerpig claimed that he asked into it, and a Ukrainian rep told him that Lira stayed in Ukraine after ratting out his collaborators, but grew so paranoid that he would be killed that he didn't leave his apartment at all. Police did a wellness check to find him begging to be escorted out of the country. That's entirely from a Youtuber with a goofy name though, so take it with a pound of salt.

If true then lol

But also, it shows that:

1) Even during an full-scale invasion that poses an existential threat, Ukraine is still permitting explicitly pro-Russia foreign political 'commentators' to operate unhindered on its territory.

2) Police even carried out a wellness check - during wartime when their resources are presumably stretched - in order to check up on his safety and wellbeing.

That's evidence of functioning institutions, respect for rule of law and freedom of the press. Neo-Nazi Banderite Regime my rear end.

Tigey
Apr 6, 2015

Gresh posted:

should've used a balloon imo

Yeah, that came to mind, that this could be Russia trying to draw a parallel between the Chinese balloons, and US drone/recon flights: "Why is it OK for the US to shoot down balloons, and not for us to 'graze' its drones?"

Key distinction of course is that the US/NATO haven't violated Russian airspace.

Tigey
Apr 6, 2015


Much like Putin, he also likes pooping his pants

Tigey
Apr 6, 2015


Tigey
Apr 6, 2015

zone posted:

Contents of upcoming Danish donation package IX:

8,000 pieces of hats

Wait what

Tigey
Apr 6, 2015


Help, she's touching my special operation area!

Tigey
Apr 6, 2015

zone posted:

https://twitter.com/OzKaterji/status/1636790283861135360
Spare me the whataboutism. The current topic is concerning Russia's crimes of illegally invading a sovereign country, killing its people, and kidnapping its children. If you want to bleat about america and the evil west being bad, bleat about it somewhere else.

Thing is, I think everyone here would agree that raised in isolation, there are genuinely valid points to be made about previous Western war crimes (in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere) going unpunished and the perpetrators walking around with impunity.

But the fact they are raised here by people like this, with the sole intention of trying to excuse and justify Russian crimes renders them utterly irrelevant to this topic. These commentators aren't raising them because they are genuinely angered by the injustice, but solely because they think it can muddy the waters and be used to further their propaganda.

And as others have said, Putin will never actually be hauled before the ICC. So in practice he will go as unpunished as Bush, or some Navy Seal that shot up a bunch of surrendering Iraqis/Afghan civilians, etc.

Tigey
Apr 6, 2015


Have you seen our face masks, Hans?

Its just... they've got skulls on them.

Tigey
Apr 6, 2015

FirstnameLastname posted:

noone will arrest the sitting president of a nuclear state

i mean if he tried doing a road trip through Europe, it'd force their hands, but without that kind of flaunting, it's not happening.

far too much to lose for any individual place with the capability and will, nothing to really gain - it's not like it'd end the war, it would be a huge vector to escalate it if anything, imagine the propaganda of "the westerners kidnapped our president", combined with the incentive it'd create to fully north-koreanize Russia for whoever took power after him, it would be a bad move

any nation that did it would be geopolitically hosed, regardless of how much common goodwill it earned then internationally - no leader of any world power is gonna associate with a Snitch State that might bag their dudes for an international court

plus the US wouldn't be down for it happening because supporting it would set a precedent for charging people like Cheney & GWB

The ICC charges are functionally theater to make Putin lose face internationally and discourage neutral countries from dealing with Russia, noone will act on them unless Russia's govt. actually collapses

I think this is all broadly true in the case of Putin.

What is interesting though, is that in addition to issuing a warrant for him, they also issued one for a mid-level bureaucrat, the Commissioner for Children's rights, Maria Lvova-Belova.

I think the fact her warrant was also issued, sends a signal that to people within the regime, that whilst Putin may be untouchable, they aren't. They can and will be targetted, and won't have the same protection he has. They will have to watch where they travel for the rest of their lives.

And furthermore Putin won't be around forever to protect them... A future Russian president could potentially see them as a useful bargaining chip to be extradited, in an effort to ease sanctions.

I think this is going to make some Russia elites a bit more anxious. They aren't immune from consequences anymore.

Tigey
Apr 6, 2015

Alan Smithee posted:

bringing back potemkin villages. The Soviet Union lives!

Who let Putin use the upstairs toilet?

Tigey
Apr 6, 2015


Tigey
Apr 6, 2015

Just scatter lego around key targets as an anti-infantry area denial weapon.

Tigey
Apr 6, 2015


Pooh Bear meets the Poo Bear

Tigey
Apr 6, 2015

Ups_rail posted:

why do they want swift back?

I thought the brics were gonna make their own swift with black jack and hookers

If making a replacement for SWIFT was easy, someone would have done it by now.

This however is just another bad faith proposal:

If the West agrees - excellent! The precedent has now been set that sanctions can be loosened if we apply pressure indirectly, by threatening to hurt non-Western countries. Now lets see if we can repeat this victory in other areas and cause sanctions to collapse more fully - for example, getting 'independent' German businessmen or Hungarian Prime Ministers to push for more sanctions to be loosened. Or maybe just abuse the system by using it to transfer money for weapons trades labelled as 'grain sales'.

And if the West disagrees? No problem, we expected them to! But the fact we have publicised this, creates material for our propaganda in Africa and Asia to use! Maybe we can unravel the grain deal and blame the West for it, for being unreasonable. Or just threaten to do so and see what happens. Regardless of what we do, a bunch of wise African and Indian commentators will nod seriously and sagely as we express disbelief at "How could the US do this?"

The best strategy is for the West to just ignore this. Russia has a history of making proposals that aren't intended to resolve or progress an issue, but just to hurt/divide their opponents or make them look bad to naive onlookers - going back at least as far as the Stalin Note and the like.

Tigey
Apr 6, 2015

I mean, that kind of approach is understandable when it comes to using cheap, disposable drones to soak up Ukraine's precious, expensive and limited air defense missiles. That makes a degree of sense - it costs more to shoot down it down than it does to manufacture it. And none of your pilot's lives are put at risk - who cares if a drone is downed.

But even if these tanks are lovely 50+ year old ones from the Soviet reserve yards, they still requires multi-man crews... Even if you are evil and callous enough to not care about the moral value of those people's lives, they still require some training and investment of time and resources. And the vehicle itself needs at least basic upgrades to optics and comm systems, etc, which are in short-supply and can't be wasted. And anti-tank missiles are a lot cheaper and more common than expensive, high-end SAMs.

Doesn't seem a sensible strategy. But then that could be said for so many of the things Russia has done in this war so far.

Tigey
Apr 6, 2015

Shinjobi posted:

I just wanna say as awful as everything is I can still crack a smile remembering Steven Seagal's "dance"

Forget tank engine chat, what about Steven Seagal's terrible power to weight ratio

Tigey
Apr 6, 2015

Just Another Lurker posted:

Scotland copied that fine Finnish tradition and implemented theirs last year, it's not as good as the original but it's a start.
Yeah, Glasgow in particular have their own regional variant of the box with everything a new baby needs to get started:

Tigey
Apr 6, 2015

Dial A For Awesome posted:

What’s that on the bottom right, between the onion salad and the curly fries?

Looks like Spicy Wings and Chicken Pakoras

Tigey
Apr 6, 2015

Its location is indeed critical, with control over the Bosphorus Straits, long Black Sea Coastline and Caucausus border being central factors to its importance. But it also shouldn't be forgotten it has a very large military by European standards.

Tigey
Apr 6, 2015

From the man who lived in Ukraine for how many years and never bothered to learn the language.

Tigey
Apr 6, 2015

zone posted:

https://twitter.com/AlexKokcharov/status/1643181476345774080
Get lost, are you going to try justifying your wholesale kidnapping operation? :qqsay: 🤡🤡🤡

Its to demonstrate the 'powerlessness' of the ICC decision and how Russia can 'flaunt' it.

In reality, it just demonstrates how feeble Russia's tit-for-tat responses are.

Tigey
Apr 6, 2015

Roblo posted:

Wait I'm sorry, they think Bahkmut is going well for Russia?!

They don't really think its genuinely going well, hence why they need this as a morale boost, or at least provide new content for their disingenuous shitposting. They can treat it as a victory 'on paper', in that they have taken a town that they have been declaring as an objective for many months.

Its of course a pyrrhic victory, with the Russians exhausting themselves against a single target for months on end (including wearing down Wagner) and using up a lot of the manpower gained during the mobilization. The opportunity costs are tremendous, and it leaves them in a weaker position than before.

But it can be framed as a 'victory' that their propaganda can use, even if its not a particularly credible one.

In reality though, if this is literally all you have been able to achieve after spending so much blood and treasure, and you have nothing else to celebrate - things really ain't going well.

Tigey
Apr 6, 2015

ZogrimAteMyHamster posted:

:lmao:

What the gently caress is that statue supposed to even be?!

A bomb

Tigey
Apr 6, 2015

Joke Miriam posted:

So do Russians equate Nazis primarily with treachery for betraying their pact of friendship?

What Soviet/Nazi pact of friendship do you speak of?

My history textbook says nothing of this? Just that the sweet, innocent USSR was minding its own business behind its historical borders and was attacked out of the blue.

Power Khan posted:

https://twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1643550586283991040

Looking at the state that russia is in and soon is going to be when the offensive starts, I don't think they'd bet on this smoking wreck of a shithouse.

The Chinese Ambassador to the EU's priority is furthering China's interests in its relations with the EU. He's going to say what he thinks needs to be said to do that, and if that means downplaying Sino-Russian relations, he will do so. I'm sure the Chinese Ambassador to Russia tailors his public messages for Russian audiences.

To be clear, I do think you are broadly right, I'd just warn against reading too much into this individual comment.

Tigey fucked around with this message at 15:37 on Apr 5, 2023

Tigey
Apr 6, 2015


Please don't post crimes against humanity without NMS tags

Tigey
Apr 6, 2015

Its good to question your assumptions!

Generally, if I see something and my reaction is an emotional "That's SPOT ON MATE!", a lot of the time switch is flipped in my head and I start thinking "Why do I agree with this? Am I right to? Am I so out of touch and is it the children who are right?", etc. If doubts start to creep in, I reconsider my opinion.

But you don't really need to do more than question and challenge your assumptions and arguments. You don't need to also immerse yourself in counter propaganda as some kind of self-flagellation. I would strongly advise against it in fact for your own mental health and wellbeing.

Tigey
Apr 6, 2015


War Thunder needs to do something drastic and leak some T-14/Su-57 Blueprints or its gonna lose its crown

Tigey
Apr 6, 2015

mobby_6kl posted:

Sure but can you perform 0 point safety check? That's the difference between the woke and stronk army.

Step 1 in non-woke army safety check - look straight down the barrel and pull trigger

Tigey
Apr 6, 2015

zone posted:

https://twitter.com/SamRamani2/status/1645366751658496001
Why would Luka look at what happened to Armenia and think that yes, Russia will save us in the event of internal unrest or even an actual attack on Belarusian soil?

I suspect its nothing substantive, like with the nukes. They are just trying to artificially create optics that make it appear like they are managing a tit-for-tat response to Finland joining NATO.

NATO expands? In response Russia tightens defense pact with Belarus! BAM - in one single counterstroke of equal magnitude, Russia matches the declining failing homo-NATO's moves blow for blow and maintains the balance of power!

Half of these things are just wasted efforts to create material to further propaganda narratives. If they took even half the amount of time and treasure that they spend on all these smoke and mirrors, and allocated it toward their military instead, they might have had more luck in this war.

Tigey
Apr 6, 2015

ZogrimAteMyHamster posted:

The thumbnail though!


:lmao:


NATO has 31 members. Who are the other 19?

Tigey
Apr 6, 2015

HonorableTB posted:

like

just look at it lol

look at this piece of poo poo lmao



it looks like a boonie hat and i cant unsee it

The units really stopped looking realistic from Red Alert 3 onward.

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Tigey
Apr 6, 2015

Karate Bastard posted:

Is "hershey" a word? Like "hershey chocolate", "hershey reporting"? As in "man, this article was really hershey".

Its a new term for feeling an unpleasant, sour and tangy taste in your mouth.

Hershey's chocolate is widely believed by non-Americans to taste like vomit, due to using Butyric Acid as an ingredient.

Seymour Hersh's articles on Ukraine have recently been proven to have a similar effect, making most people reading feel sick in their mouth.

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