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MrMoo
Sep 14, 2000

Seen this a couple of times now: AI bus, needs two people to monitor for safe driving. However it is only a trial in Edinburgh.

https://futurism.com/the-byte/self-driving-bus-human-operators

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outhole surfer
Mar 18, 2003

outhole surfer
Mar 18, 2003

rotor
Jun 11, 2001

classic case of pineapple derangement syndrome
when i think 'yospos' i think 'sophisticated humor and wordplay'

NoneMoreNegative
Jul 20, 2000
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rotor posted:

when i think 'yospos' i think 'sophisticated humor and wordplay'

I only read it for the articles.

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

rotor posted:

when i think 'yospos' i think 'sophisticated humor and wordplay'



oh, word?

rotor
Jun 11, 2001

classic case of pineapple derangement syndrome

drat, i got caught out on this one

SpaceAceJase
Nov 8, 2008

and you
have proved
to be...

a real shitty poster,
and a real james
You Old S*** Posting Online


Your Opinion Sucks, Please Overthink Something

SpaceAceJase
Nov 8, 2008

and you
have proved
to be...

a real shitty poster,
and a real james
This isn't a parody subforum... AI lies throughout

NoneMoreNegative
Jul 20, 2000
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shit wizard dad

lmao this thread / article

https://twitter.com/drewharwell/status/1645745104064327680

Analytic Engine
May 18, 2009

not the analytical engine

NoneMoreNegative
Jul 20, 2000
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shit wizard dad

Look out! It's HOUUUM!



https://www.instagram.com/creepmart/

retpocileh
Oct 15, 2003

Okay these are actually awesome.

NoneMoreNegative
Jul 20, 2000
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shit wizard dad

retpocileh posted:

Okay these are actually awesome.

lol I followed the Creepmart account and just got a follow back from the Canadian knockoff version

https://instagram.com/sheggiebrostoys

haruspicy
Feb 10, 2023
community developed AI tools are cool and good because of the completely idiotic names that we are all forced to use. the local LLM webui called oobabooga has a “memory” function called superbooga

how long can this continue, imagine some serious CNN person has to say superbooga

Ornamental Dingbat
Feb 26, 2007

https://twitter.com/CZaneH/status/1660305979496439808?s=20

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.
using a gan to generate a captcha seems deeply perverse

Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005

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i could understand using it for the text i guess (i suppose if you give it a good enough description it could probably free associate its way into giving you what the object is)

...but lol why would you use it for the image examples too :psyboom:

~Coxy
Dec 9, 2003

R.I.P. Inter-OS Sass - b.2000AD d.2003AD
I don't get why discord shows that awful captcha when I've already entered a correct six digit code from 2FA

rotor
Jun 11, 2001

classic case of pineapple derangement syndrome

~Coxy posted:

I don't get why discord shows that awful captcha when I've already entered a correct six digit code from 2FA

because it has nothing to do with authentication, they just need some mechanical turks (ie you)

mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

Excuse me, pardon me, sheer perfection coming through

infernal machines posted:

using a gan to generate a captcha seems deeply perverse

they’re been doing it for a while around the web, i’ve encountered it a bunch

distortion park
Apr 25, 2011


I don't understand why that even works - if a computer generated it shouldn't it be particularly easy to classify as well?

distortion park
Apr 25, 2011


Or is it actually just to generate/score training data

jemand
Sep 19, 2018

distortion park posted:

Or is it actually just to generate/score training data

mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

Excuse me, pardon me, sheer perfection coming through

mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

Excuse me, pardon me, sheer perfection coming through
getting close to ai replacing echi

NoneMoreNegative
Jul 20, 2000
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Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005

not flashy, but now this is a good read on an important (and, importantly, real) problem: https://arxiv.org/abs/2305.09800

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.
just based on the abstract, yes, gpt based llms are being intentionally designed to provide responses in a way that anthropomorphises them

Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005

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i mean... of course they are? chatgpt and bing (in particular, used to) both emulate personhood to some degree and we've already seen people blow up their careers over a llm's supposed sentience

just taking a glance at the paper makes it seem as if it's stating the obvious

mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

Excuse me, pardon me, sheer perfection coming through
yeah though it’s good to approach seemingly obvious concepts with scientific rigour just the same if for no other reason than to help build a foundation on which to build further progress and research (note: i haven’t read the paper yet).

i’d point out that part of the problem with anthropomorphism in regards technology is that it makes it more approachable for normal people to use, and i think it’s probably difficult to have a machine that understands (for some definition of understands don’t @ me about llm cognition) really well to not be anthropomorphic in some respects.

probably making them avoid first person language is a good step tho if the target is to reduce that property

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.
@mediaphage, re: your recent statements on llm cognition

...

Armitag3
Mar 15, 2020

Forget it Jake, it's cybertown.


infernal machines posted:

@mediaphage, re: your recent statements on llm cognition

...

@distribution, @mediaphage, @infernalmachines, re: re: your recent statements on llm cognition

please remove me from this email chain

thank you

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Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005

it is absolutely quite obvious, but that's needed as the non-obvious stuff is mostly dreamed up nonsense. to save people reading it opens with the figure:



and closes with the observation:


there's a lot of very sensible stuff in there, but it might indeed be a bit of a bore for general consumption.

Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005

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kinda reminds me of this prompt injection to make bing act more like it used to

https://twitter.com/CrisGiardina/status/1652835268716576769

i agree that the paper's de-anthropomorphized response is better though, but the cat's already out of the bag for anthropomorphism. people already expect these things to respond like a person and that's part of the appeal to businesses that want to replace workers with a llm. i think it's a problem too, but i doubt anything will change

even if there are regulations or guardrails built into future llms to de-emphasize this kind of stuff the prompt injection thing above makes me think people will either just build anthropomorphized versions or try and find some other way to make an existing model behave that way

e: i'm not using a pc at the moment but the prompt injection within edge is at http://bringsydneyback.com/

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005

i don't think the ship having sailed is the take though. it is not necessarily that if *one* system people interact with is anthropomorphic they will misunderstand the tech as human-like, rather as long as they are faced with one which they recognize as sophisticated but which is *not* anthropomorphic they are likely to understand the technology better in general.

the dominance of a few sv companies might make that a moot point though. though otoh there's an element of uncanny valley to it all as well, do people enjoy feeling manipulated to be polite to the things?

Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005

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i don't disagree, but keep in mind they want people to misunderstand the technology, most of this is a (admittedly pretty brilliant) marketing ploy

part of it is not just manipulating people into being polite, it's also that they want to showcase its natural language processing capabilities and an excellent way to do that is by having people interact with it as an ostensible person. if it were more machine-like then people's queries to it would probably become that as well. like, most people don't query search with complete sentences, but they probably would if it presented itself as a person trying to help you find something

considering most of this comes from the standpoint of openai wanting to sell their services it's extremely effective. it gives a necessarily skewed perspective of what the thing is capable of because from a marketing perspective that's exactly what they want. if someone thinks it's capable of doing x task, openai certainly don't want to imply that it's not able to do something. of course they don't want to imply that it is, either, so they just let everyone play around with it and then draw their own conclusions. conveniently they can throw up their hands and say they don't know what it's capable of, which just adds to the intrigue for most people

lol, this kinda veered into a rant about marketing but i think they're very much connected. as long as there's profit motive i don't think we're gonna see companies voluntarily restrict their tech demo's abilities

Beeftweeter fucked around with this message at 18:14 on May 29, 2023

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005

not really going to really disagree with anything there. it'd be debate club hairsplitting from here

Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005

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yeah, we don't disagree. i think it's a problem too, i just don't see that voluntarily changing. the paper has good suggestions for future models though

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NoneMoreNegative
Jul 20, 2000
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Thread:

https://twitter.com/vashikoo/status/1661939940719198212

The Photoshop AI stuff is all built around licensed & royalty-free images, no using artists work in the learning corpus without asking. (of course the PS tools wouldn't be here without the previous success of the less ethical forerunner tools, standing on the shoulders of pirates etc)

Also lol at the Reply Posters absolutely shrieking about this being the MURDER of CINEMA

NoneMoreNegative fucked around with this message at 10:08 on May 30, 2023

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