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ninjoatse.cx
Apr 9, 2005

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bossy lady posted:

I will never forgive george rr martin for making me marry a wooden puppet at the end of elden ring

I felt so puzzled. It wasn't like we had a romance.

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ninjoatse.cx
Apr 9, 2005

Fun Shoe

Cornwind Evil posted:

In all honesty, I think Martin was a victim of his own prejudice.

What made Song so amazing (for those who did like it) for the first three, beyond the world building, was the plot twists, a lot of which were built on taking the most common plot aspects of such worlds/stories and throwing them out, primarily plot armor. Unfortunately, seen as a whole, it really reads like a man who consumed so much fantasy with these stock plots and characters that he fell into the familiarity breeds contempt trap, and he wrote his books almost with an undertone of not only not following those plots, but spitefully throwing them in the reader's faces. The noble non liar? Oh, he gets his head cut off by the lunatic boy king and basically gets his whole family killed because not only does he not want to play games, he has no capacity to do so, and yet he entered such a place out of a sense of 'honor'. The young king breaks his promise and marries someone else? Oops, same bullshit games gets everyone in his party killed. Why'd he do that, oh his mother treated his supposed bastard half brother who the young king deeply cared for terribly, hence he likely had a subconscious fear to never father a bastard, hence when someone slept with him, he married her near immediately? And so on.

Except there's a REASON that classics are what they are, and tearing up everything and throwing it out the window might not lead to new and interesting roads, but rather, dead ends with you no longer able to move anywhere because all the usual hooks have been destroyed. It says a lot that the first three books came out within five years, the next two were considered much lower quality and came out over the space of twice that time, and there's been no book in that series for 12 years since. Between ripping all the 'usual' methods to bits and being unable to find a good replacement, Martin's in a pit where he feels his world is now just too vast and bloated to proceed forward, and he's given up. Basically, at this point, the best we're probably gonna get is a Duke Nukem Forever situation with someone else taking up the bloated mess of whatever he's done and paring it down into something resembling a conclusion just so IT IS DONE AND PUBLISHED.

It was never "he wrote himself into a hole", it was definitely the show. He revealed the major plot twists he'd intended, but they were poorly done, and now he has to either write himself towards those same conclusions or come up with something else. That and being filthy rich and experiencing all that has to offer in his elder years is probably way more of a high priority than writing a book.

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