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AnimeIsTrash posted:im mixed on this mostly because i have to work with a bunch of guys who wont just answer "hey whats the command for X?" and give you smug smiles while you try to get that information out of them Sometimes it's nice getting a legit answer to a simple question. No-one can hold all this dumb computer poo poo in their brains.
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the counter to "kids dont know how computers work!" is that the entire first semester of my C class in college in '97 was literally "convert decimal to binary back and forth forever" and "here's how to log into the vax to write programs. we're not gonna get into that till year 2 but" definitely missed the forest for the trees there and i just did not care to go to class at all and welp here we are, living in a tin shack in the hood yelling on the internet about catgirls
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Jonny 290 posted:the counter to "kids dont know how computers work!" is that the entire first semester of my C class in college in '97 was literally "convert decimal to binary back and forth forever" and "here's how to log into the vax to write programs. we're not gonna get into that till year 2 but" assembly development in a team setting should be mandatory for anyone wanting to computer professionally
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fresh_cheese posted:assembly development in a team setting should be mandatory for anyone wanting to computer professionally no it shouldnt.
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Jonny 290 posted:the counter to "kids dont know how computers work!" is that the entire first semester of my C class in college in '97 was literally "convert decimal to binary back and forth forever" and "here's how to log into the vax to write programs. we're not gonna get into that till year 2 but" In your defense, a lot of people who actually learned C in the late nineties also spend their time on the internet yelling about catgirls.
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fresh_cheese posted:assembly development in a team setting should be mandatory for anyone wanting to computer professionally I sure hope you don't mean assembly language here
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fresh_cheese posted:assembly development in a team setting should be mandatory for anyone wanting to computer professionally maybe if it was 1986 and you worked making nes games or something
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Mar 31, 2023 22:01
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pinball machines were all 6800 (or occasionally 6502) assembly until 1999 or so
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The technical hiring bar here is pretty high, and new developers tend to only come from elite schools, so for me the technical mentoring is easy (aside from explaining legacy systems and how things work here, etc). Interpersonal skills are another thing. I encourage my mentees to schedule one on one's with PMs, to express their interests to managers and volunteer for stuff (you're gonna work one way or another, if you don't volunteer for something cool you'll get left with whatever no one volunteered for). The social skills on the team are abysmally low and covid has only made things worse, it can be a little awkward when we all get together. That probably shouldn't matter as much as it does regarding your career, but what can you do
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one of the main reasons i go to the office instead of using the excuse rolodex is so i can make sure the rest of the group there leaves the building for lunch and doesnt eat at their desks. weve got good food all over the place here lets go get it and not be in the building for a while. also the tier of Eurest dining services we get is not great.
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fresh_cheese posted:one of the main reasons i go to the office instead of using the excuse rolodex is so i can make sure the rest of the group there leaves the building for lunch and doesnt eat at their desks.
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fresh_cheese posted:assembly development in a team setting should be mandatory for anyone wanting to computer professionally just have the kids play the entire zachtronics back catalog imo
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Jonny 290 posted:the counter to "kids dont know how computers work!" is that the entire first semester of my C class in college in '97 was literally "convert decimal to binary back and forth forever" and "here's how to log into the vax to write programs. we're not gonna get into that till year 2 but" i was a computer science major the courses for "how computers work" were all in the ee/cpe departments. i only kind of understand that stuff because i went out and took classes on compilers and stuff like that. its totally understandable why your average comp sci grad wouldnt know that stuff. more important though if youre not working in the embedded or low level space i dont think that knowledge benefits you that much, although its nice to know.
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tk posted:You go into the office just so you can drag your coworkers out to lunch? yeah this is some weird shamey poo poo i don't care for it. big "oh come on sushiritos are SO GOOD, come on, theyre only like $18" energy
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to be clear, sushiritos are DOGSHIT abominations and every one of those places should be shut down
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Jonny 290 posted:sushiritos are DOGSHIT
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just because a maki and a burrito are similarly constructed doesnt mean whatever hosed up hybrid you make of them will be good.
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it sounds like a good concept but I can't think of a way to make it work other than just big maki and that has structural limits
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fresh_cheese posted:one of the main reasons i go to the office instead of using the excuse rolodex is so i can make sure the rest of the group there leaves the building for lunch and doesnt eat at their desks. potent "I dont trust anyone my dog doesnt like" energy
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also i like my food. thats why i cooked it in batches. if i wanted to wander around sampling plat du jour id join the french foreign legion.
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the cafeteria situation is dire we go for tacos/gyros/pizza/dumplings at local mom n pop places. nobody has yet brought in a bag lunch and if they did id still encourage them to go sit outside on a bench at the park up the street rather than sitting in that god forsaken cafeteria.
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DJ Commie posted:it sounds like a good concept but I can't think of a way to make it work other than just big maki and that has structural limits turns out that one of the nice things about sushi is how nice & delicate it is
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i will also defend the role of dragging people out for lunch. done right it is great mentoring in that the obligating reason we're coming in to the office is to shoot some poo poo and to understand each others needs, and having a long nice lunch chatting is just about the perfect vehicle for that.
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:i will also defend the role of dragging people out for lunch. done right it is great mentoring in that the obligating reason we're coming in to the office is to shoot some poo poo and to understand each others needs, and having a long nice lunch chatting is just about the perfect vehicle for that. even before the pandemic i defended the long lunch as counting as work. the things that are discussed are just as important as the 'actual work' that's happening in the office
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Don't underestimate the common thank yous and good jobs. Praise the good that they do, no matter how much or how little. Working at a new place can be scary, and giving positive reinforcement is a great way to speed along their comfort. It's also a great way of teaching. If you only point out their fuckups they're gonna be looking for the exit.
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I like a nice team lunch now and then but lunch is personal time. I have poo poo to do, I’m not going to cut 30 minutes out of my evening so I can try the new sushirito place with you.
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yeah, suck my rear end, i don't want to chat at lunch. i want to eat some motherfucking food in a focused manner You wanna 'just chat' (which always ends up being asking me to do more work) book something before or after.
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we are not friends. we are coworkers. or we're in a manager/labor type of relationship which is even further from my desired lunch accompaniment.
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Jonny 290 posted:we are not friends. we are coworkers. or we're in a manager/labor type of relationship which is even further from my desired lunch accompaniment. i mean, if the take is genuinely that you won't accept an offer to use (and contribute to) paid time hanging out with the people you're working with: gently caress you if the point is that you figure you wouldn't get paid: condolences on your situation
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ok
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:i mean, if the take is genuinely that you won't accept an offer to use (and contribute to) paid time hanging out with the people you're working with: gently caress you Paid time hanging out is sitting around the break room shooting the poo poo either before or after lunch. Lunch is personal time.
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every work lunch ive ever had ended up with shop talk bc nobody wanted to open up too much. like what is that. thats a business meeting without an agenda. its an icebreaker with a bill.
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on the one hand i will not deny your experience, on the other i will say that all employee power derives from common social connections. and taking employers time out of the day to chat almost *cannot* be a wrong move
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:on the one hand i will not deny your experience, on the other i will say that all employee power derives from common social connections. and taking employers time out of the day to chat almost *cannot* be a wrong move Agreed. I still talk to several friends I met at former jobs. My biggest gripe about my current place is how no one wants to hang out occasionally. I still leave at 5 everyday so whatever, why not enjoy lunch
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Apr 1, 2023 20:46
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jonny is just pissed he didn't get the job at Lumon Industries
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we talk about what video games we played last night, what costumes were making for the next con, how lovely bobs old Mitsubishi is and what bob should consider for the next vehicle. shop talk is not forbidden but it also generally does not come up.
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fresh_cheese posted:we talk about what video games we played last night, what costumes were making for the next con, how lovely bobs old Mitsubishi is and what bob should consider for the next vehicle. you're supposed to be convincing people to have lunch with coworkers
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Apr 2, 2023 00:46
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the one guy whos always talking about work at lunch @_@
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oh god talking shop when out for drinks with workmates sucks. ya can’t avoid a little bit of it but when it’s the only topic you wonder if people have lives at all
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