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Just visiting this board, not sure what kind of reaction I will get here, but doing this anyway to see what happens. Before you respond, I hope you read the following articles which illustrate my viewpoint further. I consider myself in tune with this article's expressed views- "Woke" and conservative gaslighting This article discusses the topic of slavery reparations- https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/15/us/slavery-reparations-explanation-trnd/index.html I think the above article says many things I wish to discuss herein better than I can. Basic argument- slavery reparations would be very bad for America. Why? The CNN article mentions how difficult it would be to find victims for such funds. It would also be wrong to punish perpetrators- I know the Bible says sins of the fathers are visited upon the children, but our legal system is not based on that part of the Bible. The larger issue, though, is the money. The CNN article I linked says that the total cost of reparations would be in the high trillions, far exceeding our current national debt. Add to that the high number of lottery winners who do not spend their money wisely. Add to that the fact that many people I know, people of all skin colors, would find it hard to define how much money exactly they would want to receive for something like what slavery did to their ancestors. Or how many descendants of former slave trade proponents (you want to punish all descendants of slave owners, slave traders, slave overseers, etc, right?) would find it hard to define how much they think they should pay for something that was ended over 150 years ago. Whether they would support it now or not. We can also argue at length about who deserves the money. Maybe not individuals, maybe social justic groups like the NAACP or BLM. Ok, but consider this- would not politicians wishing to take a stand against the idea frame it negatively regardless of who was getting so much money and how wisely or not they would spend it? That would lead to another point I will make below. I do not argue that slavery was not a terrible crime, it is self-evident to me that slavery and the Holocaust rank pretty close to each other on a scale of horrific historical events. But a famous German philosopher said (in paraphrase) that he who fights monsters should take care they do not turn into them. That should frame my next point nicely. You cannot erase suffering by enacting more suffering. If you think reparations will be a good thing for America, study the Treaty of Versailles. I will sum it up for those who don't want to read any more long articles, though you are free to do your own research too: 1919. World War 1 just ended and a lot of Europe was pretty upset with Germany for waging it. The Allied Nations which had defeated Germany proposed to punish the German people with (in today's money) $442 billion in reparations. This wrecked Germany's economy pretty bad over the next decade or so. It also stoked anger and fear in a lot of Germans that helped lead to the rise of a nationalist movement you may have heard about called Nazi Fascism. This would lead to a war even more terrible than World War 1 known as World War 2. [deep breath] I grew up in a white Southern US conservative family. I had to do a group presentation on welfare in high school in 1997. I still recall my now-departed grandfather ranting about welfare queens and how terrible it was to reward them for doing nothing when I asked him to help me write my perspective paper laying out the issue of welfare and viewpoints surrounding it. I thank God that we made our peace before he died of cancer in 2006. I also have lately been experiencing criticism from members of my family deriding me for supporting WOKE agendas and so forth. We are making our peace too (I hope), but never mind that now. There are a lot of people in this nation who would not like the idea of slavery reparations and for good reason. I can't make peace with everyone, but I can try. So, to do that on at least some level, I feel I need to attack the side doing the most damage first- [deep breath again] My fellow You want the Nazi Party to rise in America? Then support slavery reparations. Nuff Said!
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shut up bitch
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Apr 6, 2023 17:22
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fascinating
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Apr 6, 2023 17:23
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can you please wake up before posting again tia
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Apr 6, 2023 17:31
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achtungnight posted:Basic argument- slavery reparations would be very bad for America. Good.
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Apr 6, 2023 17:33
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Looking into it
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Apr 6, 2023 17:33
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Support my rear end with your cumerations
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*punches alarm clock off desk*
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thank you for this information
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Apr 6, 2023 17:42
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i'm convinced, lets do reparations
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I actually went back and skimmed this and are you seriously going with "don't do reparations you'll just piss the nazis off" lmfao
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Apr 6, 2023 17:45
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I want reparations for ops posts
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achtungnight posted:The larger issue, though, is the money. The CNN article I linked says that the total cost of reparations would be in the high trillions, far exceeding our current national debt. hmmm sounds like the entire American economy is built on the back of slavery then, all the more reason for reparations achtungnight posted:Add to that the high number of lottery winners who do not spend their money wisely. very curious at you sneaking this line in there where you thought people wouldn't see it though. verrrrry curious indeed
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Buck Wildman posted:I actually went back and skimmed this and are you seriously going with "don't do reparations you'll just piss the nazis off" lmfao also quotes Nietzsche as becoming monsters by actually doing reparations so i think this guy may have some insight on what drives nazis
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can i get a tldr
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Apr 6, 2023 17:53
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in order to do reparations, we must become the reparations
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Apr 6, 2023 17:54
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Woke Mind Virus posted:can i get a tldr some racist dude thinks reparations are bad because his racist friends might get mad and also black people are bad with money and will spend it on menthols and sneakers
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Jaxyon posted:some racist dude thinks reparations are bad because his racist friends might get mad and also black people are bad with money and will spend it on menthols and sneakers lol
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oh also just in case this wasn't all a bit, it's a myth that reparations from Versailles wrecked the interwar German economy. Germany intentionally wrecked its own economy to try and get out of paying reparations, and when they decided to stop intentionally wrecking their own economy it recovered just fine until the Great Depression meant US banks stopped loaning Germany money and they wrecked their own economy again doing austerity which opened the door for the Nazis. Great historical analogy OP.
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Apr 6, 2023 17:57
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I'm up!
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Apr 6, 2023 17:58
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OP has convinced me. I believed that we should do the right thing by righting historical wrongs, but that was before I considered that it might be hard.
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what in the world
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america is already nazi, op
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what other just things should we not do because the Nazis wouldn't like it
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Anything that's bad for America I approve
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Crazypoops posted:Anything that's bad for America I approve this
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Nuff said!
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Apr 6, 2023 18:04
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if you don't want the Nazis to come to power, the way to stop it is to just preemptively do what the Nazis want anyway, it's so simple i cant believe you woke moralists haven't figured that out already
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i need to attack the side doing the most damage so i'm posting in cspam
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spending 167 hours a week reading lets plays and using my remaining free time to give myself a panic attack thinking about slavery reparations
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achtungnight posted:
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good for a laugh at any rate thank you op
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Apr 6, 2023 18:12
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OP do you think we need a WAACP
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Apr 6, 2023 18:15
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If you are telling people to WAKE UP then I'm sorry to say you have fallen ill with the Woke Mind Virus.
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[ deep breath ]
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I'm taking the Woke Pill and gun fuing my way outta this thread later losers
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Pentecoastal Elites posted:spending 167 hours a week reading lets plays and using my remaining free time to give myself a panic attack thinking about slavery reparations yeah id say being worried about the white supremacist nation of the united states actually going through with reparation is like being worried that the LHC is going to create a black hole. not impossible but so very unlikely its not even worth losing sleep over
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id like to reparate this thread to the gas chamber
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Thx also for making me see the end result of cancel culture and realize something very important about life. To do just about anything requires harming someone or something else. The clothes you're wearing? Some plant or animal died to make them, and it is quite possible the process of making them caused someone else harm too somehow. That food you ate at your last meal? Same deal. Oh, was it not meat? Well, plants still died and they may have been harvested by some kind of work practice you find objectionable. It is very possible. That song you like listening to? That book you read whose themes you respect? That game, TV show, or other media you enjoy. Quite possible that it was created or promoted by someone whom you might dislike or disagree with on some point, however profound does not matter. Given all these facts, why do anything? Are you going to walk around naked? Are you going to stop eating? Stop doing the things you enjoy? Would you gladly delete an entire world's chance to learn any history or culture just to edit out the parts you find objectionable? I hope not. And I know I wouldn't. I can and will learn from and fix the mistakes of my life. But I will still do what I must and what I want, because I can and because otherwise is not to live. Not like I can avoid making all mistakes. No one is perfect. I hope to God you don't kill this thread. And that you think about what I have said before you continue your current attitude.
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I understand that you have concerns about the idea of slavery reparations and its potential negative impact on America. However, I would like to address some of the points you have raised. Firstly, while it may be difficult to identify the exact individuals who were victimized by slavery and determine how much they should receive in reparations, there are ways to address this issue. For example, reparations could be given to descendants of slaves or to communities that were affected by slavery. Additionally, the cost of reparations does not necessarily have to be borne by the government alone; private companies and individuals who have benefitted from slavery could also contribute. Secondly, the comparison to lottery winners who do not spend their money wisely is not entirely relevant. Reparations are not a windfall or a gift, but a means of rectifying a historical wrong. It is up to the recipients to decide how to use the funds. Thirdly, your argument that it is difficult to determine who deserves the money and how much they should receive is not unique to reparations. This is a challenge that is present in many forms of social welfare, such as food stamps or unemployment benefits. The fact that it is a complex issue should not preclude us from addressing it. Regarding your comparison to the Treaty of Versailles, it is important to note that the circumstances surrounding reparations for Germany after World War I were vastly different from those of slavery reparations in America. The Treaty of Versailles imposed harsh penalties on Germany that were seen as unfair and punitive. In contrast, slavery reparations would be a means of acknowledging the historical wrongs committed against Black Americans and providing them with the means to overcome the systemic disadvantages they continue to face. Finally, your argument that supporting slavery reparations could lead to the rise of the Nazi Party in America is both unfounded and inflammatory. It is not productive to engage in fear-mongering and baseless speculation. Instead, we should focus on having informed and nuanced discussions about the issue of reparations and its potential benefits and drawbacks. Regenerate response
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