AnimeIsTrash posted:

croup coughfield posted:

ive thought carefully and ive threaded the needle on reparations. no money disbursement needed. simply destroy the bourgeoisie and their legacy and it solves itself.

World War Mammories posted:

ok i changed my mind this thread rules

Crazypoops posted:

Anything that's bad for America I approve

achtungnight posted:

Just visiting this board, not sure what kind of reaction I will get here, but doing this anyway to see what happens.

Before you respond, I hope you read the following articles which illustrate my viewpoint further. I consider myself in tune with this article's expressed views-

"Woke" and conservative gaslighting

This article discusses the topic of slavery reparations-

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/15/us/slavery-reparations-explanation-trnd/index.html

I think the above article says many things I wish to discuss herein better than I can.

Basic argument- slavery reparations would be very bad for America.

Why? The CNN article mentions how difficult it would be to find victims for such funds. It would also be wrong to punish perpetrators- I know the Bible says sins of the fathers are visited upon the children, but our legal system is not based on that part of the Bible.

The larger issue, though, is the money. The CNN article I linked says that the total cost of reparations would be in the high trillions, far exceeding our current national debt.

Add to that the high number of lottery winners who do not spend their money wisely.

Add to that the fact that many people I know, people of all skin colors, would find it hard to define how much money exactly they would want to receive for something like what slavery did to their ancestors. Or how many descendants of former slave trade proponents (you want to punish all descendants of slave owners, slave traders, slave overseers, etc, right?) would find it hard to define how much they think they should pay for something that was ended over 150 years ago. Whether they would support it now or not.

We can also argue at length about who deserves the money. Maybe not individuals, maybe social justic groups like the NAACP or BLM. Ok, but consider this- would not politicians wishing to take a stand against the idea frame it negatively regardless of who was getting so much money and how wisely or not they would spend it? That would lead to another point I will make below.

I do not argue that slavery was not a terrible crime, it is self-evident to me that slavery and the Holocaust rank pretty close to each other on a scale of horrific historical events. But a famous German philosopher said (in paraphrase) that he who fights monsters should take care they do not turn into them.

That should frame my next point nicely.

You cannot erase suffering by enacting more suffering.

If you think reparations will be a good thing for America, study the Treaty of Versailles.

I will sum it up for those who don't want to read any more long articles, though you are free to do your own research too:

1919. World War 1 just ended and a lot of Europe was pretty upset with Germany for waging it. The Allied Nations which had defeated Germany proposed to punish the German people with (in today's money) $442 billion in reparations. This wrecked Germany's economy pretty bad over the next decade or so. It also stoked anger and fear in a lot of Germans that helped lead to the rise of a nationalist movement you may have heard about called Nazi Fascism. This would lead to a war even more terrible than World War 1 known as World War 2.

[deep breath] I grew up in a white Southern US conservative family. I had to do a group presentation on welfare in high school in 1997. I still recall my now-departed grandfather ranting about welfare queens and how terrible it was to reward them for doing nothing when I asked him to help me write my perspective paper laying out the issue of welfare and viewpoints surrounding it. I thank God that we made our peace before he died of cancer in 2006. I also have lately been experiencing criticism from members of my family deriding me for supporting WOKE agendas and so forth. We are making our peace too (I hope), but never mind that now. There are a lot of people in this nation who would not like the idea of slavery reparations and for good reason. I can't make peace with everyone, but I can try. So, to do that on at least some level, I feel I need to attack the side doing the most damage first-

[deep breath again]

My fellow Americans human beings- The roots for things like the Nazi Party already exist in America. We must not fertilize them.

You want the Nazi Party to rise in America? Then support slavery reparations. Nuff Said!

croup coughfield posted:

what lets plays do to a mf

lobster shirt posted:

op please dont close this thread again

AnimeIsTrash posted:

the d&d porn one

achtungnight posted:

Ok, if you wish to keep it open, that is your prereogative.

But this will probably be the last time I post or read the thread. I may be an occasional Internet troll, but I don't like hanging out with the more regular ones. I also don't like hanging out with people who do not share my personal values. Like anybody. I was intending to post and leave anyway.

You may reply to me directly by PM, I may or may not answer.

One last thing.

The angel line was from The Prophecy. 1990s Chris Walken movie. Highly recommended.

That is all.

achtungnight posted:

Ok, if you wish to keep it open, that is your prereogative.

But this will probably be the last time I post or read the thread. I may be an occasional Internet troll, but I don't like hanging out with the more regular ones. I also don't like hanging out with people who do not share my personal values. Like anybody. I was intending to post and leave anyway.

You may reply to me directly by PM, I may or may not answer.

One last thing.

The angel line was from The Prophecy. 1990s Chris Walken movie. Highly recommended.

That is all.

Jaxyon posted:

poo poo and run coward

if your beliefs can't stand up to criticism then they are poo poo beliefs

croup coughfield posted:

the prophecy has a fun cast and a whole side plot about american atrocities in korea which is cool but i dont know that i want to get my political beliefs from eric stoltz

achtungnight posted:

Ok, if you wish to keep it open, that is your prereogative.

But this will probably be the last time I post or read the thread. I may be an occasional Internet troll, but I don't like hanging out with the more regular ones. I also don't like hanging out with people who do not share my personal values. I was intending to post and leave anyway.

You may reply to me directly by PM, I may or may not answer.

One last thing.

The angel line was from The Prophecy. 1990s Chris Walken movie. Highly recommended.

That is all.

World War Mammories posted:

ok i changed my mind this thread rules

achtungnight posted:

I may be leaving. My beliefs remain.

John Charity Spring posted:

lmao the catholic link edited in

John Charity Spring posted:

lmao the catholic link edited in

croup coughfield posted:

the prophecy has a fun cast and a whole side plot about american atrocities in korea which is cool but i dont know that i want to get my political beliefs from eric stoltz

Zodium posted:

america is already nazi, op

croup coughfield posted:

ive thought carefully and ive threaded the needle on reparations. no money disbursement needed. simply destroy the bourgeoisie and their legacy and it solves itself.

Stinky Wizzleteats posted:

just what a weird mind. Wicked cracker babylon hasn't even universal healthcare or a political party supporting it, I think your idiot collaborator fears of the blacks getting money are unfounded op

space chandeliers posted:

Yo that was a quote from viggo

John Charity Spring posted:

lmao the catholic link edited in